Yep, and that is not Bobby V's fault. He had to know that his pitching sucked, but he stayed loyal to the party line saying time after time that he liked his pitching. The players are surely scapegoating Bobby V. This team is where it is, as you stated, because of the starting pitching. That's it, pure and simple. If the 2 whiners want to complain to someone, maybe one of them should walk to the mound and tell Lester to get his head out of his ass the next time he starts bitching at an ump or remind Doubront that he is a f***ing rookie when he stomps around the mound like a petulant child. If it had no effect at least it would be placing the responsibility in the right place. It's not Bobby V taking major shits on the mound game after game.