seabeachfred

Great insight Jung and damned hard to disagree with. What the front office might or might not know is that for fans the bottom line is winning and I sometimes believe we want the Red Sox to win more badly than they do, strange as that may seem to some people.

Well I'm convinced he is Bob and I know Muggah from way back during the 2007 season when he and I, along with a pack of psychotics, were worried sick about the Red Sox possibly blowing that big lead they had. I kept telling Muggah that we'd squeak by, one of my better predictions to be sure, and we all went apeshit on Dirt Dogs when the Sox won the World Series that year. Muggah cares too much, and he is angry and disgusted at what's gone down the last few years as most of his friends are. I will tell him when I get the chance that he shouldn't have goaded SCM the way he did. That guy is one tough hombre and he is as rabid as they come. He's one guy Muggah should try to win to his side, not antagonize him. I know for a fact that he gives a s*** big time how the RedSox do. I also think this clamor will die down somewhat when ST opens and we all can see for ourselves how all this shakes out. As tired as I am of reading about him, I do hope we can bag Roy Oswalt. He can't be that chicken s*** about playing in Fenway, can he?

You've become a good friend iortiz and thanks for watching my back. User admits he likes to bust balls so I am used to it. I actually like the guy. You and I will have to someday take in a Red Sox series. You're my kind of people.

I'm 71 MVP. Remember? I will have been retired for ten years this coming June. Besides playing golf once a week, working out in the gym six, and working in my local Republican headquarters I do have some extra time and I really enjoy doing this. But you will get a short reprieve. I'm taking Linda to the movies shortly.

Well I am for one. I don't know why but on this day I wish I lived in Boston so I could be there when the trucks leave Fenway Park. I have to read about this event and enjoy it in absentia. It's another example of what an icon the Red Sox have become. Now if they could only go out there this season and give us a title of some kind. BTW, did you go to Truck Day?

Where the hell did you get Sparks from? I have no clue about the WPBL and please be clear about which Bruin you're talking about. If it's the Boston one, no, I root for the Ducks. UCLA Bruins? Never cared for them, not SC for that matter. Believe it or not, in college football my team is NAVY and haven't had a college basketball team since Bobby Knight left Indiana over a decade ago. There, that ought to fill things in nicely.

User, you and MVP may not agree with this but if the Red Sox had just given the two of them an unconditional release from the Red Sox last fall we wouldn't be talking about this now. Being a free agent means nothing if there is a chance that these two are still going to be resigned. With them released they could have tried to hook on with another team and we would have had the problem solved, but as some of us predicted they would not get an offer from another team, neither one would and that has happened and now they are invited to ST. What if they do show up--which I think they will. You will have Varitek lobbying the pitchers for support and Wakefield taking time and innings away from pitchers begging for a chance to show what they can do. We saw what Wakefield can do last summer and if you or others forgot, I didn't. He was a total abomination, could pitch, couldn't field, couldn't move. Valentine must make it clear that he does not these guys there.

I'll let Muggah and Pumpsie answer the part of the thread that refers to them, but as for me, yes, I have a tendency to repeat things over and over again but if you read these posts you would know that it's because some simply want to disagree to be disagreeable, then when someone else posts something similar they then agree. I'm not going to accept that ********. If I am right say so and agree with me and if I'm wrong, say so AND TELL ME WHY I AM WRONG WITH SOME OPINIONS OF YOUR OWN. When that happens I'm pretty easy to disarm because I like a good argument where I can get some new insights on things. But to disagree just to be disagreeable? No, I won't stand for that.

You know Muggah, what's strange is that some of the people here actually agree with a lot of what we say, reluctantly sometimes, but they do. They just don't like the way we say it. We're too "brutal" according to one poster. Well perhaps we are a little more verbose than the garden variety poster around here but I can't see how anyone can be satisfied with the way things have gone this winter. After last year's miserable choke job we should have a better team heading down to Fort Myers than we did last season---and we don't. What we do have is a better medical staff with that butcher Gill gone, a much much much better field manager than the bungler we finally got rid of, and hopefully a lot better luck in the health department. With 90% of things going right we might actually make a positive move, especially if Bard can measure up as a starter (questionable), Youk and Crawford make good comebacks (expected) and the rotation goes deeper in games. Since BV is not a pitch count moron like you remember who, that may be possible.

The reason you're hearing "garbage" about Varitek and Wakefield is because both of them are still out there and potentially ready to come to Fort Myers---or maybe you didn't read what Lucchino said yesterday....WE ARE STILL WAITING ON V AND W. Why the hell are we waiting for them and why did Larry invite them to come to Fort Myers if they wanted to? Doesn't he have enough balls to tell them that the game is up, time for them to go, that they are not needed or wanted---by either us or any other team? Apparently not. Time is awasting and all the bromides that it is early, that it takes time to put a roster together, that things will happen in their proper time, is a pile of ******** which you and others should have seen by now. WE DON'T HAVE T HAT NO.4 STARTER, WE DON'T HAVE A SHORTSTOP AND OUR BULLPEN IS STILL INCOMPLETE. You seem content to just accept that things needed weren't done and are willing to move on after being lied to and take for a ride by Pinocchio Lucchino and his cream puff assistant. Some of us are not. If Varitek and Wakefield do NOT show up at Fort Myers and announce their retirement beforehand you have carte blanche to jump all over me for that, but you won't have to because I will have admitted I was wrong. However, I think both these guys are now totally devoid of pride and will come down, and if that happens expect a couple of I TOLD YOU SOS.

Have you and Bellhorn given some thought about just how enthusiastic and committed Roy Oswalt is going to be if we do get him? It seems obvious to me that he doesn't want to play in Boston and though like you I would like him for our 4th spot in the rotation and think that would make us much better, what kind of a mindset would the guy have pitching for us when he'd rather be somewhere else? Is he also worried, fearful, scared that he will not be able to handle the American League? These questions seem silly, I know, but you have to wonder about the guy and why he doesn't want any part of Boston. How might that play in the heat of a pennant race?

Blew that one Flynn. Well we play your team tonight and if I know the Lakers they left their game in Boston so unless the Knicks decide to play Santa Claus my team may be forced to continue their pratfalls on the road where we are a miserable 4-9. Hear the latest rumor? It was on Pardon My Interruption today----Rajon Rondo for Pau Gasol. I wonder what to make out of that.

Good for your daughter Bob to reel you in. I have been surprised with the number of Lakers fans on this board; I thought this was enemy Celtics country for sure. I have been following this basketball team now for 50 years since their second season in LA and it bothers me when they lose, but I get over it. I've been rooting for the Red Sox for a little over 11 years and with them it's life or death. I have no Lakers room in my house, I don't have a Raiders room in my house and certainly not a Ducks one--only as Red Sox one, and that should make MVP 78 very happy.;););););)

Bob, I like and respect you very much but this is more than a slight exaggeration; it is off the wall. First of all, this is a forum and everyone is entitled to their opinions. If a fellow poster doesn't like what someone writes, he can put him on ignore or just not read his posts. And there is a difference between insulting players and posters. Players are public figures and they know that having verbal brickbats hurled at you is part of being on display. Besides Wakefield or others either don't read these posts and most likely don't give a s*** what's said on here. Posters on the other hand are here and care very much what is said about them. No one should insult another poster unless that poster insults him and if you've read the posts on the different threads that's what usually happens. A poster insults a player and he gets insulted in turn by a poster who likes the player. At the ballpark there is nothing I can do to stop a nasty Yankee fan from bombarding Ellsbury with insults since he paid his money for a ticket just as I did. I either take it or leave and try and find a place in the standing room section. Yes, I would want to belt him but I know better than to do that since I could be charged with assault and put in the slammer.

Hey Flynn, we got you guys last night, didn't we? Or should I say you tried like hell to give it to us and we reluctantly took advantage of a break----for a change. Sad to say my Lakers might have to look back to their one point victory over the Celtics last night as t heir highlight of the year because right now we're not going anywhere this season. For some reason your Celtics have been able to hide their age better than my Lakers have, but of course, your guys know the meaning of the word defense and Doc Rivers is a hell of a coach. Sad to say, another Celtics-Lakers Final may have to wait for at least a half-dozen years down the road.

Let me clear something up for you as I did with user. No one on Sawxheads drove us out; we're still there posting away. What went down was that most of the ball washers, apologists, rumbswabs and their ilk couldn't face the music when our predictions all came out spot-on and rather than admit they were wrong decided to flee the scene and form their own staid and boring site. I would recommend it highly to any pollyanna currently posting here. It's good to bring on sleep. Admittedly many of the Sawxhead group posting here can be pretty tough on players but I've read your missives and you're not exactly a goodie-two shoes yourself, and getting personal with public figures is par for the course---getting personal with fellow posters is low down and cowardly.

I don't know Dutch; you took the label off before you gave it to me and I now use it scoop up my dog's poo. Another Wakefielderian is heard from. Tell me from across the ocean why this has-been deserves another season witht he team. The guy was horse manure from June on last season and was sent out there again and again to the detriment of the team so he could get his damn record. When you put someone's personal goals ahead of the team mediocrity is as sure as a winter cold. Maybe it's different in the land of windmills but over here sometimes a little ruthlessness goes a long w ay, but I would love to hear why you think Wakefield is deserving of another shot on the team when he didn't receive one damn offer from any o ther team. I await your reply from across the ocean.

Wakefield's charitable work is a testimonial to his humanitarianism and he deserves full credit for that, but we were talking about his pitching Chin and on that score you can't be serious in wanting him back on the Red Sox. By the middle of last season his knuckler wasn't knuckling and he had become a human pinata on the mound. They were pounding the living s*** out of his tosses, and besides, he is going to be 46 years old and we have some younger pitchers who deserve a chance to show what, if any, they have. I'm sure Bernie Williams, Jorge Posada, Scott Brosius, Tino Martinez and other Yankees did admirable things off the field but that didn't stop the Yankees from showing them the door when their time was up. The Red Sox have to start showing the same determination to move on. Besides, if Wakefield was so damn good don't you think some ot her team would have made him an offer by now? They haven't and that says it all. Thanks for the memories Tim but it is time to move on.