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Beckett wasnt getting any calls in that inning. At all. Anything close went the other way.

f*** Beckett, what the hell.

WHERE THE HELL WAS THAT?

Shittt.

Beckett has a nasty curve working this inning.

Sit down.

Game times for Boston Game 3, 7:17EST Game 4 8:07EST

Does anyone else wish Jeff Bailey was on the roster and playing instead of Kotsay? 7-9 tonight is a black hole filled with incredible suck.

hah drunk, disregard that... as far as your rant about redsox nation... Your quote about manny working out agressively... didnt he come back like 2 days later?

I would do it. There is no reason to think that he is not going to be that good until he is 40.

WE ALL WERE f***ING MANNY APOLOGIST's. Chose not to honor his contract? So does is JD not honoring his contract then? Manny's bat and presence in the lineup always far out numbers his deffeciencies in the field. I am not going to continue arguing this, because even though I miss Manny's bat, I will always be a Red Sox fan, over and indivdual player fan. Seriously, if that were the case, I would have stopped rooting for the Red Sox in the summer of 04.

You can have your opinion and I will have mine. I was just willing to put up with Manny's "********" because we were an extremely succesfull team when he was here, and he put up HOF numbers during that stretch. Sue me.

I agree it was a good trade, yes. I also think it would be naive to think that, if he had stayed people would have gotten over it. Manny would have played, and the Red Sox would still be in the postseason. Let's not forgot that the main reason the Red Sox played so great is the fact that Lester was becoming a dominant ace, DiceK was rounding into form again, the reemergence of Hideki Okajima, Materson becoming a dominant bullpen guy, and Jed Lowrie becoming an RBI machine. Pedroia? Youk? Do you think those two wouldnt have produced just because they were distracted by Manny? (who probably wouldnt have even been a distraction if he had stayed). I think Manny's offense would have been better than Bay's with Bay's defense and baserunning making the two canceling out. The point- the trade wasnt the main reason why the sox turned things around. Let's also remember than we had lost 6-7, other than that we played really well for the first 4 months.

Sure it bothers me. But the thing that bothers me most is the fact that fans of this team after looking the otherway so many times can just turn on the guy, when there was clear propaganda in the media through the FO against him. As i have said before, last septembers injury was legit. But, because it's Manny people were like, "oh he's faking it" when that wasnt the case. I have no idea how serious his knee injury was in 06. I think it was called patella tendinitious, which acourding to my athelitc trainer at my high school, could be a potentially career ending injury. Granted she wasnt a doctor, and it probably wasnt that severe, but who knows.

Are you disagreeing with that first statement? Dont you find it odd that we heard all about that incident, when normally we dont hear about other club house disturbances? As for the Theo thing, I would say the two things arnt really realted since Theo wasnt under contract with the Red Sox. However, Theo was always coming back, and he was a total baby about the entire situation, IMO.

Look, I understand that Manny was part of the problem here, but to say that Manny did all of this stuff intentionally to sabatoge the organazation and his teamate just isnt accurate. I fully admit that I feel privledged to get to watch a hitter as taleneted as Manny hit for 7 and a half years, does that make me a fanboy, and please, up until this summer 90% of Red Sox fans always were willining to look the other way at some of the ecentricities, but we knew that he would come through when it really mattered, and he always did. Edit- I shouldnt say "just isnt accurate", because obviously who knows what goes on in Manny's head, but its highly doubtful that he would delibrately try to piss off teamates, who in most cases seem like they got along most of the time with Ramirez.

I feel like I can't say anything on this issue with out TheKilo or ORS playing the Manny fanboy card. However, I 100% agree with everything Simmons says here. It makes complete sense, that Boras manipulated the entire situation. Manny was never considered a bad teamate, that alone was the most infuriating part of the whole situation in July. To pin all the blame on Manny not caring was completely absurd. The blame should have been Boras 50% and Manny and the FO 50%. I liked this quote particularly "We just spent the past decade hearing "Manny Being Manny" stories and allowing the man to be portrayed as a savant of sorts, the most simple of athletes, a happy-go-lucky hitter who rolled with the punches, never took himself seriously and wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed. I watched him play for seven and a half years, day in and day out, and never saw anything to make me question that stereotype. Now, I'm expected to believe he was calculating and vindictive this whole time?" This in reference to Manny miss a two games due to his sore knee. Also this "Look, I understand how a jerk like Bonds would have been a dreadful teammate: massive ego, bombastic personality, substantial sense of entitlement, painful sense of humor, hogged three lockers, always had 40 media members crowding around him. But what was Manny doing exactly?13 How was Manny's latest "funk" much different than Carlos Delgado seemingly mailing it in until Willie Randolph was fired, then miraculously regaining the ability to smile and hit home runs for Jerry Manuel? For anyone who believes the Manny trade saved the 2008 season -- with the theory being the Sox came together after his departure -- how do we know that wouldn't have happened anyway? Their schedule was significantly easier in August and September.14 Young relievers Justin Masterson and Manny Delcarmen settled into a groove down the stretch, something that would have happened with or without Manny.15 And do you really think a Boras client would sabotage his final two months before free agency? As for the "We couldn't rely on Manny anymore" argument, why could you wager your mortgage on him in September and October? During the winning postseasons in '04 and '07, Manny had 135 plate appearances, reached base 62 times, drove in 27 RBIs, stroked 12 extra-base hits, made it impossible to pitch around Ortiz and worked God-knows-how-many pitch counts. Was that reliable enough for you?" Absoulely true. There is no definitive evidence that we wouldnt be where we are now if we hadnt traded Manny. If we look at past instances, 2005 in particular, things would have blown over, Manny would have been raking in August and septemeber. Don't give me that how many september games did Manny play in 2007 ********. He had a strained oblique injury, 100% acknowledged by the teams medical staff. How long do these injuries take to heal? Oh I dont know 2-4 weeks most of the time. Fact of the matter is, when it mattered Manny played and played damn well. Everyone who turned against Manny this season is completely hypocritical. Where were the Manny hatters when he was hitting bombs last October? Case in point, obviously Manny was upset that he didnt get his contract extended. The FO jumped all over this opportunity to alienate Manny, and turn the media, fans, and even the club house against him.

Test in 7 hours!! Go SOX!!!!

YEAHHHH!! 1-0, DiceK on friday!!!

2-41 what now f***ers.

Theres the splitter.

Good God, still will the Rally Monkey?