ksushi

Adam, either contribute to the site or get lost. Last time I'll tell you. You clutter up this board with pure crap and senseless drivel. Shape up or ship out.

I don't believe the rumor was planted, but I do believe we should be the hell out of this. Lester AND Ellsbury, Bucholz AND Lester are a couple of the things I've heard the White Sox wanted. I think maybe the thing gets revisited before the deadline because if they are not allowing a 72 hour window, no one is going to trade with them, thats ridiculous.

It looks like the Mets are aiming for Contreras and not Buehrle and wouldn't be interested in a potential rental or a contract negotiation/extension thing. The Braves have a bigger need for Buehrle but I'm of the opinion the Sox could put together a better package for the ChiSox. Bucholz and Ellsbury are going absolutely no where, but Lester, Bowden, Lowrie and others may be on the table.

Anderson is 19 hits above .300 with good power and won the quality AB's award. AT 19. This guy is a stud. He will be a blue chip that will top all the charts for years to come. He is a beast. Bates and Anderson are not in the same class. Bates is 23 in single A doing things that Anderson is doing now at 19 at the same level. 19 years old! He's the man. He has Texiera/Morneau potential.

Guys I do not give up no matter what: Bucholz, Lars Anderson. Maybe Ellsbury, but I think I would do Ellsbury in a straight up deal for Buehrle, but I don't think I would put anyone else in the deal. That won't happen though. I would give up: Bowden, Lester, Hansen, Delcarmen, Moss, Murphy, Kottaras, or Lowrie. Of course not all of these guys. One of Lester or Bowden, to go with either Hansen, Delcarmen or Moss and as a throw in the third player could be picked from either Murphy, Kottaras, or Lowrie although I am MUCH higher on Lowrie than I ever have been before. A .400 OBP at every level and a .300+ BA at pretty much every level he reminds me a lot of pedroia with a better eye and better glove. I might even start to think about ruling him out in any trade too just because of his low trade value and his high cieling.

I have no interest in either Zambrano or Sabathia.

This thread absolutely sucks. This is ridiculous, I see no reason to leave this open.

*sigh* I would trade Lester for Buehrle. Wow, that was hard to say. I love Lester. ONLY if we signed him long term. But, Ksushi, you love Lester why would you say this? Great question. I say this because Buehrle is exactly what we hope Lester becomes, and its apparent that this team is ready to compete and win now and for the foreseeable future. Beckett, DiceK, Papelbon, Bucholz, Pedroia, and Coco are all young, even Mark is only 28 and will be in his prime through the bulk of whatever contract he would see from the Sox should they acquire him. That primes us to be in the thick of it not only this year, but next year, the year after, the year after that, blah blah blah you get it. With good drafting, smart signings and trades, this well oiled machine we see playing for us now could continue to roll along like this year after year. Bucholz will come up and boost us next year, Ellsbury should make his debut this season and compete for a job next year (if Coco finishes the season well, we have a log jam that could turn out to be very valuable for us on the trade market). Buehrle is a move for now and a move for down the road. Lets do it.

Re-posting this as a reminder. You've already been told once by Yeszir. This isn't a thread about Saito. Lets cool it. This is a thread about Papelbon in the Sox forum. General baseball is where dodgers stuff belongs, if you wanna continue the debate, make a thread there but as far as this thread is concerned leave it alone.

This is really fascinating stuff. Awesome post.

Given his AAA numbers, and the nature of the setbacks and potential for full recovery (and the signs that he has made a full recovery with the fastball coming back and the weight) I would say I feel pretty comfortable talking about Lester as part of the Sox going forward. He has been inconsistent, but I know the pitch count is something that has hindered his performance in the past and has always been impatient with it. Regardless, his AAA numbers are solid right now. I think Lester is back to being Lester.

I would give up bowden, looking down the road, we might not have a need for him, or at least not such a pressing need that we can see at this point to justify keeping him instead of acquiring a guy who would very possibly put us over the top. Bucholz is our absolutely untradable guy. Ellsbury is close, because great leadoff hitters are rare, but I don't cry over losing him. Bowden might make sense for us to deal. I don't know off-hand anyone can offer a package that tops a Bowden, Murphy, and Gabbard deal. Bowden is the youngest player in AA, and has all the ceiling in the world. Thing is, Beckett, Dice-K, Lester and Bucholz are the guys ahead of him in the "pitchers of the future" department. Thats stiff competition and gives us a little bit of a surplus here of young pitching talent (jesus christ did I just say that?). Dealing Bowden away for just anyone would be a mistake, but if you're talking about bringing in a pitcher like Buehrle, I think its due dilligence to at least kick the tires. Buehrle gives us big time schilling insurance and a scary front 3 in the playoffs that might even be better than the Schilling, Pedro and Lowe 1-2-3 punch we had that year we when we did pretty good. When was that again? Eh, minor detail. Point is, Buehrle is worth parting with prospects. Looking ahead to the future is important, but when we're looking at guys like Buch, Lester, Dice-K, Papelbon etc. I think we might be ok there. Buehrle is a rock. I'm in favor of this one big time.

Right now he is a total vaacum. The world could be sucked up into the blackhole that is Julio Lugo.

I dunno, I agree we should put a stop to this revolving door, but I don't agree that we should stick with a guy that absolutely sucks. Just because we gave up on some guys who maybe deserved to stay (o-cab, agon especially) doesn't mean that we have to eat it and live with a real mistake now. Bench the guy, play cora, use Lugo as utility and if he gets is swagger back, play him more, if not maybe dump him in the offseason.

I think we could do it with Gabbard, Murphy/Moss and Hansen. Any word on what the package could be? Counter Offer: that might be low balling, but not a bad initial offer. Ellsbury, Lowrie, and Murphy gets it done hands down and I'd be fine with that.

WOW. His fastball is so nasty. It has movement like Mariano's cutter. There I said it. Papelbons fastball is Mariano's cutter in a mirror. Dominant closer. I am officially off the Papelbon for Starter Bandwagon. It was a nice ride for awhile but its clear this guy is special in the role he is in now and gives us a dimension we have never had before: Dominant Sit-the-f***-down closer.

BTW, I'm totally determined to get to 2000 posts tonight hence the rare double post. wow this was useless.

Here we go big ugly, nail it down. I got my papelboner raging.

Thats two homeruns Beckett gets back because of that HUGE field. Didn't look his best today. Looked amazing-awesome-filthy in the first 4. After that bump in the road in the fifth, he's looked like he's been grinding and if this were at Fenway it'd probably be a 4-4 game right now. Nice outing though, grinded, worked around a bad strike zone, and got guys out. Thats what aces do, even when they aren't on their A-game.

Hey anyone know the name of that reliever for the Yankees that went today? Making 28 million and has a 5-somethin' ERA? Anyone hearda' that guy?

Side note: Rod Beck died last night. 38 years old. Real shame. His kids went to my day camp. Gotta feel bad for them, I imagine they're probably in their early twenties now. Thats gotta be tough news.

First career base awarded to Julio Lugo.