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Jose Molina is pretty darn good defensively. I don't have the stats in front of me (so I can't really support this point), but Pudge has regressed a little and I'm not so sure he's an upgrade over Molina defensively.

JHB, to say things to Gom that's he probably wrong (when he states that he disagrees with your theories) or when you tell Yankee fans to live with the shame you really do make it seem like your theories are slam dunks. I admit, you've done a great job of displaying evidence to help prove your point but it really is nothing more than a theory. You've proven, in my opinion, that the Yankees have made trades in the past few years in which they received much more than they've given away. However, anything past that is basically conjecture on your part.

http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/multimedia/tp_archive.jsp?c_id=nyy&ym=200510 Those are all the highlights from that series. You may have a point...it's kind of hard to tell from the replay. My other contention was that the play took place in the vicinity of the bag meaning that it doesn't matter what route he took to the bag (IIRC).

OK, I had forgotten the exact words I choose. Fair enough. As far as people in the media not writing about it, I'm not really sure. Everyone is so quick to jump on the steroid scandal, I'm not so sure that if they actually thought something was up they wouldn't mention it. And as far as members of an actual team mentioning it, if they felt that during a series the umpires were giving a distinct advantage to the opposing team, I feel like they might make some mention of it...or at least ask Major League Baseball to have a look at it.

I just watched the replay of the call in question again, and, to me, it seems like an awful call. For one, he was not outside the baseline as ORS stated. Second, to say he showed intent is just wrong. He was running a straight line without looking back. I don't see how he could have intentionally made contact with the baseball. On top of that, the play happened at the bag, meaning it didn't matter what route Cano took to get to the bag (see Game 2 1998 ALCS judgement involving Travis Fryman and Chuch Knoblauch). I was citing this play because I felt like it was a series changing play that went against the Yankees. As for the umpires showing bias towards the Yankees, you cited one game. Unfortunately right now I don't have the time to do the research on the other 12 games that took place between 2005 and 2007. However, I admit I'm not in any position to question your analysis because I haven't done any of the appropriate research. And as for the fact that it's easier to cover up in the regular season, that's true, but if teams felt they were at a disadvantage when they were playing the Yankees (regardless of whether it is the regular season or the postseason) you would think they would mention it. Because of this, it is extremely risky to do it in the regular season or postseason in my opinion. All it would take is one team to mention it and everyone would be thinking about it.

The call was, in my opinion, questionable. It would have been an oppurtunity for the umpires to swing a call in the favor of the Yankees...as some are claiming they have been during the regular season. Besides, what is clear is that the umpires are clearly showing no bias towards the Yankees in the postseason. My initial point was that if Major League Baseball is helping the Yankees in the regular season why would they not help them in the postseason?

And the Nady acquisition is already paying huge dividends.

Probably the biggest moment of the game coming up...

Yeah, Moose has had a pretty bad year thus far. And all I know about Johan Santana is that Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy haven't exactly dominated so far...

Well at least Toronto is three outs away (against the 8, 9, and 1 hitters) from helping the cause.

Well Moose has followed his best start of the year with once of his worst. Against Guthrie this certainly does not look very promising.

Yup, thanks again.

Actually, JHB, I'm sorry if this should be obvious to me, but where are you getting your data from? I only ask because I would like to be able to look these things up also.

Unfortunately he is doing anything but taking advantage of his expanded strike zone. The Orioles seem to have his number this year. EDIT: Nice job by Moose to get back to back strikeouts of Mora and Scott to strand Huff at second. Need some runs here...

So the conversation about the Yankees on this site has shifted away from the play on the field. However, they do play tonight vs. the Orioles. Mussina vs. Guthrie

If Major League Baseball thought it could benefit from having the Yankees in the playoffs then don't you think they could also benefit from having them move on the in the playoffs. In the years you guys are referring to, 2005 through now, the Yankees have been in the playoffs three times and have lost in the first round all three times. Not only that, but in game five of the 2005 ALDS a particular bad call went against the Yankees when Robbie Cano was called on for running out of the baseline after a strike out by Joe West which all replays showed to be incorrect. That ended an inning and a Yankee threat with them down 5-2 (IIRC). Also, last year, Game two against the Guardians was not stopped in the eighth inning with the Yankees up 1-0 and the bugs clearly bothering to Joba. I want it to be known that I'm not saying it should have been stopped, all I'm saying is that if the umpires were trying to help the Yankees this would seem to be a logical chance to do just that. **I know this thread has been about trades, but this just focusses more on the overall picture so I found it relevant.**

haha fair enough

Obviously, but also the Diamondbacks would have been much better off. I know that sounds like a second guess but Soriano and Johnson (who were both dealt that offseason anyway) were both coming a couple of good to very good seasons.

Well, I don't think that is necessarily true. If Wakefield holds them that inning, you see someone not named Mariano Rivera in the 12th (probably either Jose Contreras or Andy Pettitte on zero days rest). The Red Sox still had their closer (or at least the guy that had been during the series, scott williamson) left in the bullpen.