CrespoBlows

Oh, but he has better numbers than Roger Clemens? He throws 87 mph. He's a two pitch pitcher, pitching in the toughest division in baseball. Is it any shock to why his numbers continue to slip? You know what's hillarious. You're touting that Roger Clemens is better than three fringe MLB starters. He should be. A $28 million pitcher should be miles better than those three. I don't care if Roger Clemens is better than Tavarez, he wasn't paid to be better than him. He was paid to be the best pitcher on that pitching staff. He's not doing it, and he never will. Seriously, I would be pissed off if Roger Clemens was the fifth best starter on the Red Sox. Why do you make this point? The banality of this riposte is pathetic. Great. Again, you resort to saying Clemens is better than Tavarez. Good for Roger Clemens. Is that going to make a difference in a World Series run? You know what, forget it. You have no idea of what you're talking about. You obviously only pay attention to the 25 guys on the major league roster, and have no idea how the MLB Draft works. Have you ever looked at a budget? If you spend $28 million dollars, you spent $28 million dollars. Whether it cuts into your profits, or forces you to cut spending for other programs short, you are without $28 million dollars you had. This concept isn't hard. I don't see why you can't grasp it.

Of course not, it would be a death blow to whatever reason you like Roger Clemens. Tavarez? The guy with a lower ERA, lower WHIP, better fastball?

Of course not, because every young pitcher has an ERA of 7.90 to start.

That is a completely invalid comparision. Roy Halladay is not 45 years old with a dimished fastball. Your thinking is very shortsighted. Teams have a budget. You don't even consider this. If I'm in 10th round, and a 1st round talent has fell, because of a bonus demand issue, I'm less likely to sign him, if I signed Roger Clemens to a $28 million contract. Again, invalid.

:wtf: Those stats are when Pena was a full time player for the Red Sox in 2006. Some players are better when they get four AB's per game, those same players are terrible pinch hitters. Given Pena's all or nothing approach, there's really no surprise his numbers are suffering.

Why? It affects the team's ability to make roster decisions in the future. Manny can still perform at a very high level, Roger Clemens cannot. Why do you bring up the two, in the same thought? You're ignoring the most crucial part of the decision making process. The simple question is what you are asking. But you have to ask, is the small performance upgrade worth $25 million dollars? Teams have budgets and have to meet those, otherwise, they wouldn't have to ask the second question. What? That money still comes from somewhere. It takes $28 million out of the Yankees hands and into Roger Clemens. It probably won't affect the Yankees that much, because Steinbrenner doesn't care about it, but it would certainly affect the Red Sox, especially at the trading deadline, and certaintly in the 2007 MLB Draft. Again, Clemens ERA+ - 80 WHIP - 1.48 ERA - 5.32 FB Velocity - 87 mph Tavarez ERA+ - 97 WHIP - 1.38 ERA - 4.60 FB Velocity - 92 mph I'd like to see Clemens pitch with a dimished fastball, before I say Clemens is actually a better pitcher.

Why do you overrate pitchers based on their past dominance? Clemens is incapable of doing what he once did. Have you watched him pitch at all this year? He's at 87-89 mph, and his secondary stuff has been very average at best. This guy isn't a dominant starter, anymore. He struggled against the NL, and he got ripped by the Orioles, who aren't a strong offensive team. This guy is going to struggle to put up at least average numbers out of a starter. He'd be the fifth starter on the Red Sox. Maybe. Tavarez has outpitched Clemens this year, until Clemens can prove he can get by with his mediocre fastball, I will take Tavarez over Clemens. Especially considering Clemens' $28 million price tag.

Good. Believing that those three guys will toe the rubber in Game 4 of the ALCS, or that the Yankees will be in a Game 4 of the ALCS is pretty farfetched.

Is this supposed to be funny? .301/.349/.489 Those were his numbers when he played full time. A guy like Pena is not a bench player. More idiocy. A 200 IP guy with a 89 ERA+, and a 1.52 WHIP f***ing splendid. I love this guy.

No, he would have allowed 12 baserunners in six innings, which would have gotten a thumbs up from Mr. Crunchy. Tell me, are you always this frequently wrong?

Are they going to bench him when he's got 3,000? I know you hate strikeouts, and think that people should be gelded when they do, but add a one in front of that 413 SO number, and you're still about 300 shy. He has 1700 SO's for his career.

Wily Mo grounded into a DP. I wanted to bump this thread. It might be my favorite one, so far.

3/6. Was it three?

Jeff Berry.

lol wut? letz traid crisp 4 joe mauer lol wut a trade. http://www.digitallyarranged.com/images/Stupidity.jpg

I don't like Zambrano, either, but why not Sabathia?