Jarrod Saltalamacchia -- best starting catcher by OPS and SLG in the American League

[SoxFanForsyth]

SLG dropped off by almost 100 points... Wtf are you smoking.

 

ISO remained constant (244 ISO during hot streak, 235 during cold streak). It wasn't his SLG. It was his Average. He hit .191 from 8/1 to 9/26. Not to mention that he was in his first full season as a starting catcher (i.e. more than 95 games) since 2007. He was bound to be fatigued, and injured, as shown by the fact that he didn't start the last few games of the season.

 

He was still hitting for XBH when they landed. He got chewed up by BABIP. His BABIP for August and September was .247.

[Emmz]

Look at June/July of 2011, compare it to this year. Same thing. When his SLG% goes, he struggles. His only offensive positive is his pop, and he hasn't proven it can be consistent. His OBPs are consistently atrocious, even when he's hot.

[FredLynn]

What were we talking about? This whole time' date=' I'm comparing this year to his hot streak. Forget April May, just look at June/July. Then the rest. It's a massive drop. It's actually over 100 pts.[/quote']

 

OK..got it.

[Emmz]

ISO remained constant (244 ISO during hot streak, 235 during cold streak). It wasn't his SLG. It was his Average. He hit .191 from 8/1 to 9/26. Not to mention that he was in his first full season as a starting catcher (i.e. more than 95 games) since 2007. He was bound to be fatigued, and injured, as shown by the fact that he didn't start the last few games of the season.

 

He was still hitting for XBH when they landed. He got chewed up by BABIP. His BABIP for August and September was .247.

 

He struggles to even hit .250 when he's hot. What makes you think he can make contact consistently?

[SoxFanForsyth]

Look at June/July of 2011' date=' compare it to this year. Same thing. When his SLG% goes, he struggles. His only offensive positive is his pop, and he hasn't proven it can be consistent. His OBPs are consistently atrocious, even when he's hot.[/quote']

 

Really? Because since 4/20, he's got a .363 OBP over 35 games.

 

He is slugging .593 right now. His SLG% never sniffed .593 last year.

 

His OPS also didn't get over .700 until 32 games in last year, meaning his final numbers were manipulated by a longer period of struggle during the first part of the season (3 times longer than this season). This year, his OPS was over .700 after 11 games.

[Emmz]

Give me one reason to believe he's going to be a .275 hitter all year and I'll admit he's turning a corner. He just hasn't done it yet, so I don't give him props yet. I give him props for what he's doing now, not what he might do.

[SoxFanForsyth]

He struggles to even hit .250 when he's hot. What makes you think he can make contact consistently?

 

Where the hell are you coming up with these "his OBP is atrocious even when hot" and "he can't hit .250 even when hot".

 

You preach this "hot streak" which lasted 42 games from May 15th to August 2nd, and during that stretch he hit .299 with a .370 OBP.

 

Then he's on another "hot streak" this year from 4/21 to right now, which has lasted 34 games and he's hitting .324 with a .367 OBP.

 

Seriously. WTF are you even talking about??? You are just spewing ********.

[Emmz]

Really? Because since 4/20, he's got a .363 OBP over 35 games.

 

He is slugging .593 right now. His SLG% never sniffed .593 last year.

 

His OPS also didn't get over .700 until 32 games in last year, meaning his final numbers were manipulated by a longer period of struggle during the first part of the season (3 times longer than this season). This year, his OPS was over .700 after 11 games.

 

So since he's peaking at a different time, and slightly better I'm supposed to think what exactly?

 

What do you think he's going to have as an OPS to finish 2012? Is this going tp be his new norm? Not being snide, I'm actually asking.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Give me one reason to believe he's going to be a .275 hitter all year and I'll admit he's turning a corner. He just hasn't done it yet' date=' so I don't give him props yet. I give him props for what he's doing now, not what he might do.[/quote']

 

Ok. He's got a .311 BABIP. Is that not sustainable? He's striking out 4% less which means 4% more balls in play. I mean, I don't know what you want me to say. Why can't this be sustained. It's not like he's got an extremely high BABIP that is assisting his average.

[SoxFanForsyth]

So since he's peaking at a different time, and slightly better I'm supposed to think what exactly?

 

What do you think he's going to have as an OPS to finish 2012? Is this going tp be his new norm? Not being snide, I'm actually asking.

 

He'll have an OPS of around .820 to finish the year, my honest prediction. Probably a .310 OBP and a .510 SLG.

[SoxFanForsyth]

So since he's peaking at a different time, and slightly better I'm supposed to think what exactly?

 

What do you think he's going to have as an OPS to finish 2012? Is this going tp be his new norm? Not being snide, I'm actually asking.

 

And it's not that he's peaking at a different time. It's that he's not struggling for as long as he did last year, which means that he's not going to have a poor start to manipulate his numbers like he did last year.

[Emmz]

Where the hell are you coming up with these "his OBP is atrocious even when hot" and "he can't hit .250 even when hot".

 

You preach this "hot streak" which lasted 42 games from May 15th to August 2nd, and during that stretch he hit .299 with a .370 OBP.

 

Then he's on another "hot streak" this year from 4/21 to right now, which has lasted 34 games and he's hitting .324 with a .367 OBP.

 

Seriously. WTF are you even talking about??? You are just spewing ********.

 

It's not BS, it's factual. Both streaks are identical. Why do you seem to think that he's going to figure out how to get hits? It's a tired and delusional argument.

[SoxFanForsyth]

It's not BS' date=' it's factual. Both streaks are identical. Why do you seem to think that he's going to figure out how to get hits? It's a tired and delusional argument.[/quote']

 

You said "Even when he's hot he can't hit .250" and "even when he's hit his OBP is atrocious".

 

Well. In his hot streak last year he hit .299 with a .370 OBP. This year, it's .324 with a .367 OBP.

 

So.....you just made up that stuff about him not being able to hit .250 in a hot streak or have a good OBP during a hot streak.

[Emmz]

And it's not that he's peaking at a different time. It's that he's not struggling for as long as he did last year' date=' which means that he's not going to have a poor start to manipulate his numbers like he did last year.[/quote']

 

Are you serious? Poor numbers at any time "manipulate" your numbers. He started and ended poorly. He's been hot for a lesser amount of time this year than last. Really bro?

[SoxFanForsyth]

It's not BS' date=' it's factual. Both streaks are identical. Why do you seem to think that he's going to figure out how to get hits? It's a tired and delusional argument.[/quote']

 

Tell me something. His BABIP is .314. He's K'ing at a 26.3% pace. And he's hit a .279 average, and a .329 OBP. Tell me. What about those numbers isn't sustainable?

[SoxFanForsyth]

Are you serious? Poor numbers at any time "manipulate" your numbers. He started and ended poorly. He's been hot for a lesser amount of time this year than last. Really bro?

 

He got a very slow start last year.

 

He started out much better this year.

 

His numbers will be better this year because of less struggles at the beginning of the year.

 

How. Does. That. Not. Compute.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Still waiting on how he can't hit .250 or have a good OBP during his hot streaks when he's done it twice already. Annnnytime now.

[Emmz]

You said "Even when he's hot he can't hit .250" and "even when he's hit his OBP is atrocious".

 

Well. In his hot streak last year he hit .299 with a .370 OBP. This year, it's .324 with a .367 OBP.

 

So.....you just made up that stuff about him not being able to hit .250 in a hot streak or have a good OBP during a hot streak.

 

that's the thing, he still hits only .279 this year even when he's hit .320 for over a month.

[SoxFanForsyth]

that's the thing' date=' he still hits only .279 this year even when he's hit .320 for over a month.[/quote']

 

That's because he hit .221 for a month.

 

That's how "averages" work.

[SoxSport]

He's been picking up Gonzo's paycheck lately, but it's still early.

[Emmz]

He got a very slow start last year.

 

He started out much better this year.

 

His numbers will be better this year because of less struggles at the beginning of the year.

 

How. Does. That. Not. Compute.

 

You're assuming he doesn't return to norms for a certain amount of time though. How does it not compute that Salty's norms are .220/.250/.420?

[SoxFanForsyth]

You're assuming he doesn't return to norms for a certain amount of time though. How does it not compute that Salty's norms are .220/.250/.420?

 

Again. He's got a .314 BABIP. His career BABIP is .321.

 

Please explain why his numbers are going to go down.

[Emmz]

That's because he hit .221 for a month.

 

That's how "averages" work.

 

Yeah, which is like his career average. LOL, why does none of this register in your skull?

[Emmz]

Again. He's got a .314 BABIP. His career BABIP is .321.

 

Please explain why his numbers are going to go down.

 

I asked you a page ago why they weren't going to revert. Still waiting.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I asked you a page ago why they weren't going to revert. Still waiting.

 

Oh. You must just not be able to read.

 

Ok. He's got a .311 BABIP. Is that not sustainable? He's striking out 4% less which means 4% more balls in play. I mean' date=' I don't know what you want me to say. Why can't this be sustained. It's not like he's got an extremely high BABIP that is assisting his average.[/quote']

[SoxFanForsyth]

The only thing that would make his numbers go down is his HR/FB% is high (22.4% compared to 14.3% last year) but he's also hitting more LD (up 3.7% from last year).

 

But again. Nobody is saying he's a .920 OPS catcher. He's likely going to be around a .820 OPS catcher, which is fantastic. Once his HR/FB ratio normalizes, that's likely where he'll end up.

[Emmz]

Oh. You must just not be able to read.

 

Sustainable does not equate to proof that he's not going to fall off. Try again.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Sustainable does not equate to proof that he's not going to fall off. Try again.

 

This makes so little sense that I don't even know what to say. That's incredible.

 

You may have just said something that makes less than zero sense. Congratulations.

[SoxSport]

He might well fall off the cliff again, due to fatigue. Which is why I'd like to see Lav up catching some games. They could be the best 1-2 catcher combo in baseball.

[kapsis21]

He might well fall off the cliff again' date=' due to fatigue. Which is why I'd like to see Lav up catching some games. They could be the best 1-2 catcher combo in baseball.[/quote']

 

now that i agree completely..