2011 Playoffs for granted?

[yankees228]

I think the fact that Romero is a very good pitcher and that the Red Sox's bats aren't lighting the world on fire as of late is more relevant than the fact that the Sox have hit Romero in the past.

 

EDIT: They may hit Romero, but I don't think it's nearly as certain as you're making it out to be.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Romero just dominated the sox in Toronto

 

Dominated?? 6.2 IP, 3 ER is hardly "dominating".

 

Dude. Even after that 1 decent start, 8.22 ERA vs BOS this year. 11.42 ERA at Fenway this year.

 

Seriously?? You're going to hang your hat on that?

 

Career OPS Vs. Romero:

 

Ellsbury: 1.171

Pedroia: 1.108

Youkilis: 1.556

Ortiz: 1.045

Lowrie: 1.318

Scutaro: .812

 

I mean...the Sox basically destroy the guy. Good try. Try to look up stats before you spew s*** out of your ass.

[yankees228]

And here come the personal attacks.

[jacksonianmarch]

Sorry, I stopped watching when the sox were down 5-1 through 6. He looked pretty good through 6. My guess is the sox split with the Jays, then lose 3 of 4 to the Rays. I expect the Rays to sweep the O's and obviously take 3 of 4 from the sox. That leaves you in a flat footed tie

[jacksonianmarch]

And here come the personal attacks.

 

I expect them now. It's basically a default for some on here. When the sox struggle, some guys project their anger onto others. It's just something I expect now, and brush it off

[SoxFanForsyth]

And here come the personal attacks.

 

Personal attacks because I called him out for a ******** comment? Hmm. Sorry. Is this better?

 

Hey Jackso. I know you've got the best of intentions, but I just wanted to correct you. Romero let up 3 ER in 6.2 IP last outing, which I don't consider to be a dominant outing. Also, the Red Sox have extremely good career numbers against both him and Morrow for that matter. Again, I know you meant nothing but good, encouraging things in your comments, just wanted to correct you.

 

Oh, wait, you're both Yankee fans posting on a Red Sox thread. Get bent.

[yankees228]

And that has something to do with it? Who cares what team we root for ... we're just trying to talk about the playoff race, exactly like you guys.

[jacksonianmarch]

Get bent, lol. Welcome to 2011 bro. Man, you're being irrational and projecting your anger. If the sox actually miss the playoffs (which I think is unlikely) then you're gonna be pretty hilarious to be around. Can you bring back some other cool sayings that went by the wayside 5+ years ago?

[SoxFanForsyth]

Get bent' date=' lol. Welcome to 2011 bro. Man, you're being irrational and projecting your anger. If the sox actually miss the playoffs (which I think is unlikely) then you're gonna be pretty hilarious to be around. Can you bring back some other cool sayings that went by the wayside 5+ years ago?[/quote']

 

Hm. I'm saying the Sox have great numbers vs both Morrow and Romero. You're saying Romero dominated the Red Sox last outing. Who's being irrational?

 

Sorry big guy. As much as you want the Red Sox to collapse, even if it is only temporary, to end the season so that you can feel better about 2004, it's not going to happen. They've got extremely favorable matchups against the Jays, and are playing their next 10 games at home.

 

But no, you're right, I'm being irrational by thinking they'll recover and won't lose the WC lead at any point.

[iortiz]

IMO when you get pounded early in the games just like have been happening lately with our team, your mindset is definitely other after that, and our offense is resenting that fact; when that happens it doesn't matter which pitcher is sent by the other team. I mean, this team has earned 73 f***ing Rs in 11 games against all kind of pitchers (6.6 Rs/game; in 6 of those 11 we have earned at least 7 Rs) it is simply ridiculous, none offense can bear that.

[jacksonianmarch]

Hm. I'm saying the Sox have great numbers vs both Morrow and Romero. You're saying Romero dominated the Red Sox last outing. Who's being irrational?

 

Sorry big guy. As much as you want the Red Sox to collapse, even if it is only temporary, to end the season so that you can feel better about 2004, it's not going to happen. They've got extremely favorable matchups against the Jays, and are playing their next 10 games at home.

 

But no, you're right, I'm being irrational by thinking they'll recover and won't lose the WC lead at any point.

 

You're being irrational for not even allowing the thought to enter your mind. It went from a close to impossibility to a very real possibility this week

[SoxFanForsyth]

You're being irrational for not even allowing the thought to enter your mind. It went from a close to impossibility to a very real possibility this week

 

I cannot fathom this. This team is actually going to collapse and actually may miss the post season.

 

How can a team this talented play this terribly??

 

When I look at it irrationally and reactionary, this is what I was saying. Then I began to think rationally, and this is what I was saying.

 

 

Couple of things -

 

- In April, we started out 2-10. Right now, we're on a 3-9 streak. After our 2-10 start, we had a home series against Toronto. We swept that series, and went on an 8-1 streak.

 

- The Yankees are 3.5 games ahead of us. For the Rays to catch us, they will have to pick up 3.5 games while playing 11 of their remaining 17 games against BOS and NYY. 8 of those 11 games are away. We split our games with the Rays, or even take 3/4 against them at home, and all we need to do is take care of business against BAL (7 games left against them), and we will either catch the Yankees, or build on our lead over the Rays.

 

- Beckett looks like he's going to throw against the Rays next weekend, so we will have Beckett and Lester going against the Rays. That should be good for a split. If our offense can pick it up, it could much better than that.

 

- It wouldn't surprise me in the least for Adrian Gonzalez to put this team on his back over the next couple of weeks. He was robbed of a chance at the post season last year, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if he wills this team to finish strong.

 

- Is it really possible for this pitching to continue to throw at this horrid level? It's got to normalize at some point.

 

So yes, I am looking at it rationally. I never said there's no chance that the Sox miss the post season. I said I think the Sox will come back and start playing well and winning again.

[yankees228]

Morrow vs Wakefield and Romero vs Lackey are 'extremely favorable matchups' for the Sox?

[SoxFanForsyth]

Morrow vs Wakefield and Romero vs Lackey are 'extremely favorable matchups' for the Sox?

 

Red Sox offense vs Romero and Morrow are extremely favorable, I don't care who is on the mound.

[iortiz]

Morrow vs Wakefield and Romero vs Lackey are 'extremely favorable matchups' for the Sox?

 

Really? How is that?

 

Sarcastic right?

[yankees228]

Red Sox offense vs Romero and Morrow are extremely favorable' date=' I don't care who is on the mound.[/quote']

 

Ah, well that's logical.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Ah' date=' well that's logical.[/quote']

 

Morrow (13.83 ERA vs BOS) vs Wakefield (5.02 ERA vs TOR) gives the Red Sox an 8.81 ERA advantage. I'd say that's extremely favorable. But thanks.

[SoxFanForsyth]

And Romero's 11.42 ERA at Fenway in 2011 doesn't exactly strike fear in my eyes, even if Lackey has struggled vs TOR in the past

 

EDIT: Romero has a career 7.63 ERA vs BOS, Lackey has a career 5.58 ERA vs TOR, I'd say that's a significant advantage.

[jacksonianmarch]

we have a second day to wait for it anyway. Sox are off tomorrow

[yankees228]

Morrow (13.83 ERA vs BOS) vs Wakefield (5.02 ERA vs TOR) gives the Red Sox an 8.81 ERA advantage. I'd say that's extremely favorable. But thanks.

 

Yeah, because those statistics are more relevant than their overall numbers. Something is to be said for sample sizes.

[jacksonianmarch]

BTW, Lackey is the worst starter in baseball, BY FAR. Having faith when he starts is irrational

[iortiz]

Morrow (13.83 ERA vs BOS) vs Wakefield (5.02 ERA vs TOR) gives the Red Sox an 8.81 ERA advantage. I'd say that's extremely favorable. But thanks.

 

If those numbers are for this season, SoxFan got a point, and we could see the light in the end of the road, otherwise I would be worry.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Yeah' date=' because those statistics are more relevant than their overall numbers. Something is to be said for sample sizes.[/quote']

 

Hahahaha. Really? How is Wakefield's numbers vs the rest of the league more relevant to the game vs the Jays than his numbers vs the Jays?? That's so incredibly illogical.

[SoxFanForsyth]

BTW' date=' Lackey is the worst starter in baseball, BY FAR. Having faith when he starts is irrational[/quote']

 

Typically? Yes. When he's starting against Romero? It's not irrational.

[SoxSport]

I see Wake and Lackey are pitching the next two at home against Toronto.

 

You could say there is pressure on the hitters.

[yankees228]

Hahahaha. Really? How is Wakefield's numbers vs the rest of the league more relevant to the game vs the Jays than his numbers vs the Jays?? That's so incredibly illogical.

 

Because his overall numbers are a much larger sample size, and are more indicative of how good he actually is. His numbers vs the Blue Jays are a small sample size, and small sample sizes are flukey.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Because his overall numbers are a much larger sample size' date=' and are more indicative of how good he actually is. His numbers vs the Blue Jays are a small sample size, and small sample sizes are flukey.[/quote']

 

This is a horrible, horrible argument. You cannot truly be arguing that Wakefield's numbers vs other hitters are more relevant than his numbers vs the hitters he's going to be facing. Surely you don't actually think that's the case. That's absolutely ridiculous.

 

And the same thing goes for Morrow.

[yankees228]

This is a horrible, horrible argument. You cannot truly be arguing that Wakefield's numbers vs other hitters are more relevant than his numbers vs the hitters he's going to be facing. Surely you don't actually think that's the case. That's absolutely ridiculous.

 

And the same thing goes for Morrow.

 

I do think that, because what happens in small samplings has no predictive value.

 

Let me ask you this. Player A is the best player on his team. Player B is a poor hitting bench player. However, against the pitcher they're facing, Player A is a career 1/20 off him, while Player B is 7/20. Based on your argument, Player B should start. Do you actually think this?

[iortiz]

BTW' date=' Lackey is the worst starter in baseball, BY FAR. Having faith when he starts is irrational[/quote']

 

Yup, nevertheless he had some games when he only earned 3 Rs or less through 6-7 IP. That fact could give us little faith. This guy has ups and a lot of DOWNS, Yes, but I hope that he at least could give us a couple of those ups.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I do think that, because what happens in small samplings has no predictive value.

 

Let me ask you this. Player A is the best player on his team. Player B is a poor hitting bench player. However, against the pitcher they're facing, Player A is a career 1/20 off him, while Player B is 7/20. Based on your argument, Player B should start. Do you actually think this?

 

Managers actually do this all of the time. Gonzalez sat vs Romero last time because he struggles vs him.