Hanley Ramirez back to Boston?

[SoxSport]

I'll throw this one out since I've read Hanley has reached the point in Florida where he might--just might--be expendable. And we all know that Epstein has an ongoing love affair with the guy who got away while Theo was wearing his gorilla suit.

 

The Red Sox have the money and the players to make this happen, starting with Iglesias, who would fit right in with the Marlins.

 

Some wonder whether Hanley has outgrown the SS position. And his bat has been quiet so far this year. But with Jeter an old man, you wonder if Hanley might be on the Yankees' radar, and that's enough to get the Red Sox interested. The Yanks have some serious aging problems on the LHS of their infield, and sooner or later they will open their bottomless pocketbook again.

[Dojji]

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[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Dojji stop being a douche.

[Palodios]

Come on RSFFL, Dojji is right. Did we really need another one of these topics?

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

But yet he can make threads overhyping a prospect that really isn't all that great. It's a serious baseball thread and he responds with a facepalm picture. Perhaps that could have been used next time he has a boner for another prospect.

[Palodios]

But yet he can make threads overhyping a prospect that really isn't all that great. It's a serious baseball thread and he responds with a facepalm picture. Perhaps that could have been used next time he has a boner for another prospect.

 

Since when was Lavarnway not a legitimate prospect? And since when was having a fantasy about a player that there is no actual evidence linking the Red Sox a serious thread?

[SoxFanForsyth]

Come on now, it's a legitimate possibility. HanRam was obviously signed as an IFA by the Sox, and the trade for Beckett and Lowell was made during that 3 month span where Theo had left. Theo has had a huge love affair for Hanley in the past, as noted when he tried to reacquire him in the 2008 offseason

 

Red Sox Attempted To Acquire Hanley Ramirez

By Tim Dierkes [December 29, 2008 at 9:38pm CST]

According to Jon Heyman and Tom Verducci of SI.com, "the Red Sox made a play to re-acquire Marlins superstar Hanley Ramirez after losing out to the rival Yankees for star free agent Mark Teixeira." The Marlins listened, but no agreement was reached and talks have ended. The Marlins coveted players such as Jacoby Ellsbury and Clay Buchholz, but they'd need to be bowled over to trade their young shortstop.

 

Ramirez, 25, is signed at a discount through the 2014 season. Juan C. Rodriguez says trading him would make no sense for the Marlins.

 

This was in 2008, when it didn't make sense for the Marlins. Now, it's being reported that they may trade him.

 

So why is it such an outrageous notion that Theo would still be attempting to acquire him? Because he's having a tough season? Maybe a change of scenery is what he needs.

 

We all know that Youkilis is our future DH, whether that's next year or in 3 years, who knows, but someone is going to have to play 3B. Why not put Hanley at SS until Ortiz leaves, then stick Youk at DH, HanRam at 3B, and play Iggy at SS. If the deal for Hanley takes Iggy, you've got 2-3 years to develop Xander Boegarts, who projects to be a SS with a high offensive ceiling.

 

The deal makes sense, and with Theo's history of attempting to reacquire HanRam, along with his lovefest for him (and his history of acquiring guys he has a lovefest for), all point to this being a real possibility. So don't just dismiss it because we've heard it before. If we did that with every trade rumor, we wouldn't have the AL MVP at first base.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Since when was Lavarnway not a legitimate prospect? And since when was having a fantasy about a player that there is no actual evidence linking the Red Sox a serious thread?

 

This is full of s***. It's a proposal on wanting to pick up Ramirez. I don't see anybody else saying jack s*** about Jose Reyes. The Lavarnway was legit but since you want to go there...

 

Example A: http://www.talksox.com/forum/talk-sox-forum/15315-red-sox-should-call-up-che-hsuan-lin.html

 

Example B: http://www.talksox.com/forum/red-sox-minor-leagues/15010-could-che-hsuan-lin-factor-bigs-next-year.html

 

I don't even want to keep going but you're free to look at the threads yourself.

[Palodios]

The deal makes sense' date=' and with Theo's history of attempting to reacquire HanRam, along with his lovefest for him (and his history of acquiring guys he has a lovefest for), all point to this being a real possibility. So don't just dismiss it because we've heard it before. If we did that with every trade rumor, we wouldn't have the AL MVP at first base.[/quote']

 

Have we heard the Red Sox involved in the last three years? I have heard nothing whatsoever linking them since Hanley's clubhouse issues popped up. The majority of the big free agents they've gotten have been character guys. They went after Crawford with a PI before signing him remember. The exception is Jenks, who was a bargain at the time.

 

Theo hates trading blue chips. The Agon deal made a lot more sense than this one.

[Palodios]

This is full of s***. It's a proposal on wanting to pick up Ramirez. I don't see anybody else saying jack s*** about Jose Reyes. The Lavarnway was legit but since you want to go there...

 

In all fairness, I called that thread a fantasy as well.

 

Dojji tries to keep track of prospects. He really likes Lin for some reason, but besides ORS, Jacko and one or two others, no one else really watches prospects that much.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Have we heard the Red Sox involved in the last three years? I have heard nothing whatsoever linking them since Hanley's clubhouse issues popped up. The majority of the big free agents they've gotten have been character guys. They went after Crawford with a PI before signing him remember. The exception is Jenks, who was a bargain at the time.

 

Theo hates trading blue chips. The Agon deal made a lot more sense than this one.

 

You can't compare Gonzo to HanRam. Gonzo played for a team with a $40mm payroll, the Marlins can afford HanRam now and they can extend him. He's never been an inevitable trade like Gonzo was, which is why that was drug out so long.

[Palodios]

You can't compare Gonzo to HanRam. Gonzo played for a team with a $40mm payroll' date=' the Marlins can afford HanRam now and they can extend him. He's never been an inevitable trade like Gonzo was, which is why that was drug out so long.[/quote']

 

You were the one who compared Gonzo to Hanley, not me.

[SoxFanForsyth]

You were the one who compared Gonzo to Hanley' date=' not me.[/quote']

 

Right, but the frequency at which we heard it is what you appeared to be comparing. You can't compare that because Gonzo was known to be on the verge of being on the block from June, 2009 until we got him. Hanley is fresh on the block.

[Will617]

I could see Hanley getting traded in the offseason. Definitely not now, while his bat's cold.

Apparently the Marlins organization doesn't really think it's a good idea to keep him around anymore, but Loria loves him.

[Dojji]

The only Hanley to Boston rumors I've ever heard came from Red Sox fans and the occasional Red Sox beat writers. It's a one way thing. It's not happening. Forget it.

 

The Fish are going to keep Hanley at least until the new ballpark and see if he's useful as a draw. If he isn't, then he's out there with 2 years left on the deal, which is about right for a long phase of shopping the guy -- Adrian Gonzalez long in all probability.

 

We certainly are not going to snap him up this offseason much less this deadline. There is no way the price makes sense for both clubs.

 

Let's not forget that the Miguel Cabrera trade was an unmitigated fiasco for the Marlins. They aren't going to be anxious to deal a still-young baseball prodigy for anything but a sure thing, which we just don't have.

 

Oh, and which would you guys have up here right now, Lin or Cameron? At least Lin can defend.

 

At least there's some justification for my Reyes fixation, considering the Mets are hard up financially, would lose Reyes anyway, and might appreciate a chance to acquire a replacement or get something more than a couple picks. The Fish just don't have that kind of urgency, even if he isn't great right now (from their perspective, why sell low?)

[Palodios]

I could see Hanley getting traded in the offseason. Definitely not now' date=' while his bat's cold.[/quote']

 

I agree. This is a guy whose season ended in 2010 with an elbow issue, has been on the DL this season for back issues, and has hit .100 points lower than usual. In 2012, he will be making 15 million on a team that had a TOTAL payroll of 20 million just three years ago.

 

I don't see the Marlins "selling low" on him now, and I don't think he is worth spending the prospects on him if he won't return to form until next season-- especially when other trade targerts will help this team now, for a much lower cost.

[Palodios]

Oh, and which would you guys have up here right now, Lin or Cameron? At least Lin can defend.

 

Burnnnn:lol:

[Dojji]

More seriously, Che-Hsuan Lin is absolutely underrated around here. There is no power, and there probably never will be but he has elite speed and very good plate discipline, along with elite level D. A guy who can get on base, run once he gets there, and play at a high level defensively is a darn good 4th outfield package.

 

A team that didn't have Ellsbury would give a Lin type a good look at leadoff in a couple years, just to see if he can put that skillset together at the big league level a la Brett Gardner. I honestly think his upside is at least a good bench tweener, and if that OBP holds, he's an average or better leadoff man and starting center fielder.

 

But that's a thing for another thread.