Yankee Trade Rumors- Latest: Liriano to the Yanks??

[Emmz]

John Lackey was not elite, they probably understood why they Red Sox let Bay go, and if they were to get Matt Holliday, they'd have to have made an even more ridiculous offer than what he has now.

[italstallianion]

Over the last two years Lee is the outlier. They've passed on numerous high priced players over that time span who would have filled holes, including Matt Holliday, Jason Bay, John Lackey, and Dan Haren. As for Mauer, there wasn't a single rumor that the Yankees ever approached the Twins about dealing for him.

 

And Lee is the perfect example to defeat another one of your points, that, right now, other teams can't compete financially with the Yankees. The Rangers and Phillies offered comparable deals.

 

 

They did, but the Phillies really handcuffed themselves in a way that the Yankees wouldn't have by signing Lee, not to mention the fact that the Phillies also look to regress in offense by losing Werth.

 

So it's not always that the Yankees are the only ones that can sign FA's, but it's that they are the only ones that can CONSISTENTLY sign FA's every year. No matter what the year, the Yankees are always buyers. The ability to sign FA's is but one facet of the advantage to having a large payroll gap. Flexibility to trade is another, dominating the international market is another. There are probably another dozen advantages that the Yankees have over other teams.

[Divinity]

The formula I used was 213 - 32 + 9 = 190 while 168 + 32 - 9 = 191

[italstallianion]

I know, but you "arbitrarily" chose the most expensive player in baseball, and "arbitrarily" assumed that the Red Sox would be willing to trade Youkilis (and his salary) for A-rod (and his salary). The "formula" you came up with is completely irrelevant for this discussion and seems like a quick way to try and mask the real difference in salaries.

[Emmz]

It doesn't even matter, that's the most asinine argument that you could possibly make, that one overpriced player who's making 30 million a year is the difference. The Yankees have a very substantial advantage.

[bsox0407]

It doesn't even matter' date=' that's the most asinine argument that you could possibly make, that one overpriced player who's making 30 million a year is the difference. The Yankees have a very substantial advantage.[/quote']

 

What about the money they were trying to throw at LEE??

[italstallianion]

I mean if one person tries to use A-rod and his 32 million salary as a tactic to try and undermine the actual salary difference, then why can't one use the salaries of 32 $1 million players and then say that the difference is worth 32 players. It's a faulty comparison and can be used either way.

[yankees228]

It was pointless of me to enter this discussion anyway, because it never goes anywhere. I'll just summarize my thoughts on the issue, and whoever wishes to respond may obviously do so (and I'll respond back), but it probably won't be productive.

 

The Yankees have a financial advantage over every team in MLB, a huge one over most. I've never once disputed that, and for the betterment of the sport as a whole, I'd be in favor of a salary cap. I only take umbrage when that financial advantage, as massive as it may be, gets overstated. That happens when people say things like...

 

-The Yankees have no limits.

-There is no one out of the Yankees price range.

-The Yankees can afford a high priced star at every position.

-Other teams aren't capable of competing with the Yankees when going after a particular player in free agency.

 

All of these things, along with similar statements, have been shown to be false.

[Divinity]

It was pointless of me to enter this discussion anyway, because it never goes anywhere. I'll just summarize my thoughts on the issue, and whoever wishes to respond may obviously do so (and I'll respond back), but it probably won't be productive.

 

The Yankees have a financial advantage over every team in MLB, a huge one over most. I've never once disputed that, and for the betterment of the sport as a whole, I'd be in favor of a salary cap. I only take umbrage when that financial advantage, as massive as it may be, gets overstated. That happens when people say things like...

 

-The Yankees have no limits.

-There is no one out of the Yankees price range.

-The Yankees can afford a high priced star at every position.

-Other teams aren't capable of competing with the Yankees when going after a particular player in free agency.

 

All of these things, along with similar statements, have been shown to be false.

 

Well said, I was trying to get something along those lines across.

[italstallianion]

I think that a lot of those statements are true Y228 or at least carry some truth, it's just that they are not ALWAYS true, and they are certainly not absolute.

[yankees228]

I think that a lot of those statements are true Y228 or at least carry some truth' date=' it's just that they are not ALWAYS true, and they are certainly not absolute.[/quote']

 

We'll have to agree to disagree then, because I find all four of those statements to be absolutely false.

[Emmz]

It was pointless of me to enter this discussion anyway, because it never goes anywhere. I'll just summarize my thoughts on the issue, and whoever wishes to respond may obviously do so (and I'll respond back), but it probably won't be productive.

 

The Yankees have a financial advantage over every team in MLB, a huge one over most. I've never once disputed that, and for the betterment of the sport as a whole, I'd be in favor of a salary cap. I only take umbrage when that financial advantage, as massive as it may be, gets overstated. That happens when people say things like...

 

-The Yankees have no limits.

-There is no one out of the Yankees price range.

-The Yankees can afford a high priced star at every position.

-Other teams aren't capable of competing with the Yankees when going after a particular player in free agency.

 

All of these things, along with similar statements, have been shown to be false.

 

The bolded is at least debatable. When the Yankees have their interest in someone, they will put the largest offer on the table, there is no disputing that. Also, there is on player the Yankees cannot afford, unless it's the "overpriced" kind of expensive. The Yankees are not stupid, and most of the guys who they give big contracts to are proven. Also, it depends on what your definition of "high-priced" is, but the third one can possibly be debated as well.

[Emmz]

I think that a lot of those statements are true Y228 or at least carry some truth' date=' it's just that they are not ALWAYS true, and they are certainly not absolute.[/quote']

 

Sort of the way I feel.

[yankees228]

The bolded is at least debatable. When the Yankees have their interest in someone' date=' they will put the largest offer on the table, there is no disputing that. Also, there is on player the Yankees cannot afford, unless it's the "overpriced" kind of expensive. The Yankees are not stupid, and most of the guys who they give big contracts to are proven. Also, it depends on what your definition of "high-priced" is, but the third one can possibly be debated as well.[/quote']

 

There have been plenty of players that the Yankees have had interest in that they didn't off the largest contract to.

[italstallianion]

I think that's more of a sign that the player in question wasn't worth the money rather than the Yankees not having it. If the players were worth the money then I don't see the Yankees thinking twice about signing them. No "signing limit" is going to stop Steinbrenner from getting their man.

 

Sometimes I see the Yankees signing a player like it's having sex with Kobe Bryant. You can kick and scream all you want, but it's going to happen.

[Emmz]

There have been plenty of players that the Yankees have had interest in that they didn't off the largest contract to.

 

Well that sort of goes with what I said about overpaying.

[yankees228]

I think that's more of a sign that the player in question wasn't worth the money rather than the Yankees not having it. If the players were worth the money then I don't see the Yankees thinking twice about signing them. No "signing limit" is going to stop Steinbrenner from getting their man.

 

Sometimes I see the Yankees signing a player like it's having sex with Kobe Bryant. You can kick and scream all you want, but it's going to happen.

 

Yeah but now we're getting into things that may or may not be true, instead of just basing our opinions off of the facts (did they have interest, did they have the largest offer). What we know is that the Yankees have had interest in numerous stars that they didn't make the highest offer to. The rest is just speculation.

 

And hey, Kobe's innocent lol.

[yankees228]

Well that sort of goes with what I said about overpaying.

 

And now the statement 'they always make the highest offer to a player they're interested in', is being qualified, which is my point. For whatever reason, they don't always make the highest offer to a player they're interested in.

[Emmz]

Heh, okay, well good for them for not wanting to give Matt Holliday a 10 year 200 million dollar deal then.

[yankees228]

Heh' date=' okay, well good for them for not wanting to give Matt Holliday a 10 year 200 million dollar deal then.[/quote']

 

You really do love these hyperboles lol. Over the last four years, Holliday has averaged a 6.3 WAR. It would be easy to make the case that the Cardinals gave him a fair contract, and that if the Yankees were to beat it by a few million more, it would also be fair. He's probably the best COFer in baseball.

[Emmz]

You really do love these hyperboles lol. Over the last four years' date=' Holliday has averaged a 6.3 WAR. It would be easy to make the case that the Cardinals gave him a fair contract, and that if the Yankees were to beat it by a few million more, it would also be fair. He's probably the best COFer in baseball.[/quote']

 

The length though? Ick.

[italstallianion]

The length though? Ick.

 

 

I thought you liked it when they were long and massive Emmz.

[yankees228]

The length though? Ick.

 

All of these guys get too many years. The market has dictated that an extra year or two is required in order to sign these types of players.

[Emmz]

I thought you liked it when they were long and massive Emmz.

 

Well when you put it like that.

[Dipre]

You really do love these hyperboles lol. Over the last four years' date=' Holliday has averaged a 6.3 WAR. It would be easy to make the case that the Cardinals gave him a fair contract, and that if the Yankees were to beat it by a few million more, it would also be fair. [b']He's probably the best COFer in baseball.[/b]

 

Speaking about hyperbole (Choo and Hamilton, who is a COF now, say hello).

 

On the Yankees payroll discussion, that dead horse has been hit quite enough on this site, the advantage is massive, but not infinite. That's about the size of it.

 

I also got a kick out of Jacko creaming his pants at the prospect of being able to say "The Yankees are better than the Red Sox".

[yankees228]

Speaking about hyperbole (Choo and Hamilton, who is a COF now, say hello).

 

On the Yankees payroll discussion, that dead horse has been hit quite enough on this site, the advantage is massive, but not infinite. That's about the size of it.

 

I also got a kick out of Jacko creaming his pants at the prospect of being able to say "The Yankees are better than the Red Sox".

 

Two hyperboles, if you want to consider mine a hyperbole, of very different degrees. The case can certainly be made that Holliday is better than Choo. As for Hamilton, fair enough, I was thinking of him as a CFer.

[Meh]

I still don't see the Twins trading him right now. Why trade a cheap #1/2 pitcher for a mediocre reliever with a messed up development like Joba? They've been to the playoffs how many of the last ten years' date=' and that division only got better. The Cardinals are just as desperate, and more willing to give up prospects.[/quote']

 

No chance they trade Miller for Liriano.

[jacksonianmarch]

Speaking about hyperbole (Choo and Hamilton, who is a COF now, say hello).

 

On the Yankees payroll discussion, that dead horse has been hit quite enough on this site, the advantage is massive, but not infinite. That's about the size of it.

 

I also got a kick out of Jacko creaming his pants at the prospect of being able to say "The Yankees are better than the Red Sox".

 

Over the last 2 seasons, the Yankees had been markedly better than the Red Sox. So you must have gotten a kick out of me saying it and me also being right. Right now, as constructed, the sox are better IMO. But we are one top notch starter away from jumping past you

[SoxFanForsyth]

So let me get this straight.

 

The Twins are going to deal a guy who just posted 14 wins and a 3.62 ERA, 9.4 K/9, 0.4 HR/9, a 3.47 K:BB ratio, 11th in the Cy Young voting, and is getting paid a mere $4.3mm, AND isn't going to hit free agency until 2013 for Joba plus some MiLB players, just because Joba can throw 98?

 

Wake me up when that happens.

 

Hell, if that's all they want, the Sox could throw JD Drew at them and get the job done.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

So let me get this straight.

 

The Twins are going to deal a guy who just posted 14 wins and a 3.62 ERA, 9.4 K/9, 0.4 HR/9, a 3.47 K:BB ratio, 11th in the Cy Young voting, and is getting paid a mere $4.3mm, AND isn't going to hit free agency until 2013 for Joba plus some MiLB players, just because Joba can throw 98?

 

Wake me up when that happens.

 

Hell, if that's all they want, the Sox could throw JD Drew at them and get the job done.

 

Have fun sleeping forever then.