Yankee Trade Rumors- Latest: Liriano to the Yanks??

[jacksonianmarch]

Hot stove season is over, so that thread should be retired....

 

Also, I figured out how to change the title. So once a new rumor comes about, I can change the title.

 

On the trade front, Jim Bowden thinks the Yankees will acquire Liriano within the next 2 weeks with either Joba Chamberlain or Ivan Nova as the front man in the deal. I would DEFINITELY do that deal

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/yankees/post/_/id/13122/trade-watch-2011-francisco-liriano-nova-joba

[Station 13]

If Joba is headline in a deal, 20 other teams can beat that offer.

[boston22407]

If Joba is headline in a deal' date=' 20 other teams can beat that offer.[/quote']

 

agree

[jacksonianmarch]

Joba has a lot more upside than you give him credit for. The guy is only 25 and showed at the end of the yr, he can still get his FB up to 98mph. He's still a great prospect, but I do think a change of scenery could be good for him.

 

Also, if Nova goes and we do get Liriano....

 

1. Sabathia

2. Hughes

3. Liriano

4. Burnett

5. Garcia

 

I split up the lefties, but that rotation can win you a world series. If we got Liriano, I think we'd jump past Boston for AL East favorites

[Emmz]

No Joba please.

[Palodios]

I still don't see the Twins trading him right now. Why trade a cheap #1/2 pitcher for a mediocre reliever with a messed up development like Joba? They've been to the playoffs how many of the last ten years, and that division only got better. The Cardinals are just as desperate, and more willing to give up prospects.

[Emmz]

Joba has a lot more upside than you give him credit for. The guy is only 25 and showed at the end of the yr, he can still get his FB up to 98mph. He's still a great prospect, but I do think a change of scenery could be good for him.

 

Also, if Nova goes and we do get Liriano....

 

1. Sabathia

2. Hughes

3. Liriano

4. Burnett

5. Garcia

 

I split up the lefties, but that rotation can win you a world series. If we got Liriano, I think we'd jump past Boston for AL East favorites

 

For one, Joba isn't a prospect. He doesn't have upside anymore either. He's 25, we've all seen how fast he fades on the mound. He's a reliever, and I'm not giving up our ace for a freakin' reliever.

[italstallianion]

If Cashman can get Liriano with Joba, then we should hire him to trade our way out of our national budget deficit.

[Emmz]

I still don't see the Twins trading him right now. Why trade a cheap #1/2 pitcher for a mediocre reliever with a messed up development like Joba? They've been to the playoffs how many of the last ten years' date=' and that division only got better. The Cardinals are just as desperate, and more willing to give up prospects.[/quote']

 

He's their best pitcher, there's not a chance in hell they give him up for Joba. At least I hope not, but Bill Smith is in the front office, so I'm not so sure about that.

[Divinity]

Seems like this is just a rumor, Cashman told Wallace Matthews: "I'm not talking to anyone about anything right now. Nobody's available. Nobody of value, anyway."

[italstallianion]

Is it illegal to throw in blowjobs with trades? I'm just wondering how Cashman seems to swindle other teams with trades that should be vetoed whereas Theo often has to grind out trades just to break even.

[Emmz]

The Yankees eat entire contracts, they have no limits.

[Divinity]

If they had no limits you would see an All-Star player at every position; blowing away the competition, their self imposed limit is around $200,000,000.

[bsox0407]

If they had no limits you would see an All-Star player at every position; blowing away the competition' date=' their self imposed limit is around [b']$200,000,000,000[/b].

 

FIXED

[Emmz]

If they had no limits you would see an All-Star player at every position; blowing away the competition' date=' their self imposed limit is around $200,000,000.[/quote']

 

LMAO.

 

That's why every year, they bid the most on every elite free agent out there unless the position they play is filled by an elite player who makes 20 million a year already. Don't kid yourself. Maybe they have "limits", but their "limits" are about twice that of every other team.

[yankees228]

If they had no limits you would see an All-Star player at every position; blowing away the competition' date=' their self imposed limit is around $200,000,000.[/quote']

 

Stop. Matt Holliday is in left field. Carlos Beltran is in center field. John Lackey is pitching the second game of the season.

 

Despite the common narrative that surrounds the Yankees, they certainly do have their limits. Those limits are just higher than the other 29 teams.

[italstallianion]

....by a considerable amount.

[Emmz]

Stop. Matt Holliday is in left field. Carlos Beltran is in center field. John Lackey is pitching the second game of the season.

 

Despite the common narrative that surrounds the Yankees, they certainly do have their limits. Those limits are just higher than the other 29 teams.

 

They're an outlier.

[yankees228]

Those examples are useful because they illustrate that, at this point, the Yankees have a rather well-defined limit, despite what the common narrative says.

[Emmz]

....by a considerable amount.

 

This.

[Emmz]

Those examples are useful because they illustrate that' date=' at this point, the Yankees have a rather well-defined limit, despite what the common narrative says.[/quote']

 

Like I said, they have a "limit", but they can get pretty much whoever they want. If there's a chance to trade for someone, not only will they get him, they get him without giving up much talent in return. Also, they pretty much always get the elite free agents, because the rest of the league can't compete with them.

[Divinity]

LMAO.

 

That's why every year, they bid the most on every elite free agent out there unless the position they play is filled by an elite player who makes 20 million a year already. Don't kid yourself. Maybe they have "limits", but their "limits" are about twice that of every other team.

 

Yanks 2010 Payroll :213

Red Sox 2010 Payroll: 168

 

If the Yanks had traded A Rod for Youkilis they would've both been around 190. Thats 1 player being the difference between the teams.

[yankees228]

Like I said' date=' they have a "limit", but they can get pretty much whoever they want. If there's a chance to trade for someone, not only will they get him, they get him without giving up much talent in return. Also, they pretty much always get the elite free agents, because the rest of the league can't compete with them.[/quote']

 

This hasn't been the case over the last two years, for a few different reasons.

[italstallianion]

I also don't think that it's a hard limit. For example, the limit may have an effect on free agent signings, but if the Yankees have a hole or two in their roster, then they've shown that they will go over that original limit by absorbing the contracts of players via trades by the deadline. The Yankees checkbook is like the Blob, it just keeps eating everything. I swear that the Yankees write checks about as much as the White House does.

[Emmz]

 

You're honestly going to argue that? Really?

 

Totally irrational, not even going to touch that one, I'll leave you think about it.

[yankees228]

I also don't think that it's a hard limit. For example' date=' the limit may have an effect on free agent signings, but if the Yankees have a hole or two in their roster, then they've shown that they will go over that original limit by absorbing the contracts of players via trades by the deadline. The Yankees checkbook is like the Blob, it just keeps eating everything. I swear that the Yankees write checks about as much as the White House does. [/quote']

 

Again, this statement would have been more accurate prior to 2009. Dan Haren is a perfect example.

 

Emmz - is that in response to Divinity or me?

[Emmz]

This hasn't been the case over the last two years' date=' for a few different reasons.[/quote']

 

You mean how they offered the largest amount for Lee, and how there really weren't any elite free agents before, even though they were trying like the devil to get Mauer away from the Twins? Come on, you know better than that man.

[Emmz]

Again, this statement would have been more accurate prior to 2009. Dan Haren is a perfect example.

 

Emmz - is that in response to Divinity or me?

 

Divinity.

[yankees228]

You mean how they offered the largest amount for Lee' date=' and how there really weren't any elite free agents before, even though they were trying like the devil to get Mauer away from the Twins? Come on, you know better than that man.[/quote']

 

Over the last two years Lee is the outlier. They've passed on numerous high priced players over that time span who would have filled holes, including Matt Holliday, Jason Bay, John Lackey, and Dan Haren. As for Mauer, there wasn't a single rumor that the Yankees ever approached the Twins about dealing for him.

 

And Lee is the perfect example to defeat another one of your points, that, right now, other teams can't compete financially with the Yankees. The Rangers and Phillies offered comparable deals.

[italstallianion]

Yanks 2010 Payroll :213

Red Sox 2010 Payroll: 168

 

If the Yanks had traded A Rod for Youkilis they would've both been around 190. Thats 1 player being the difference between the teams.

 

 

The difference amounts to a little over 45 million. Now, EVEN if you're the Yankees, that's more than a 1 player difference. I think it's kind of funny that you'd opt to take the most expensive player in baseball from the Yankees and dump him on the Red Sox to make the tide shift nearly $60 million in order to make it seem like a small cap. I think that if you were an accountant that you'd be in jail right about now. We aren't going to fall for that fake trick.

 

To any team other than the Yankees, a 45 million difference is quite a lot. That's certainly more than 1 player. In addition, look at the Yankees payroll vs. most other teams in baseball. That'll be WELL over $45 million difference, and well over "1 player" even if it is the most expensive player in baseball.

 

Even look at 2009, the Yankees payroll was 201.5 million, whereas the Red Sox were at 121.75 million. That's a 79.75 million difference, well over 2 A-rod's (or about 6 normal players). Not to mention that this is the difference between the highest payroll and the 2nd-4th highest payroll. It'd be one thing if that was the gap between the highest payroll and the lowest payroll, but that's just the gap between first and 2nd (although the Red Sox aren't always 2nd highest either)