09/21/10 Sox Vs. Baltimore.

[jacksonianmarch]

Another hit. Tits lit

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

:papelbon: not

[Station 13]

Papelbon is getting lit up

 

It isn't even christmas yet.

[jacksonianmarch]

The thing is, for a closer, his sample size is much lower and this outing has raised his ERA by almost a half run. Remember, he is entering his final yr of arbitration. This outing may have saved the sox a million or two

[a700hitter]

Our bullpen sucked tonight as usual.

[redsoxrules]

Papelbon wont be getting his big pay day that he's been running his mouth for now

[a700hitter]

Papelbon wont be getting his big pay day that he's been running his mouth for now

He's not a free agent this year. If he rebounds next year, he won't go hungry in free agency.

[YAZMAN]

He's not a free agent this year. If he rebounds next year' date=' he won't go hungry in free agency.[/quote']

 

He's going to get traded, I can feel it coming.

[a700hitter]

He's going to get traded' date=' I can feel it coming.[/quote']I don't know how much return they would get trading him after his worst season. Besides, he is far from the biggest problem in the bullpen. Bard and Papelbon are the strong points. It's the other 5 guys that have sucked.

[Yaz Sideburn]

I don't know how much return they would get trading him after his worst season. Besides' date=' he is far from the biggest problem in the bullpen. Bard and Papelbon are the strong points. It's the other 5 guys that have sucked.[/quote']

 

papelbon hasn't been any better than scott atchison

 

atchison - 57 ip, 3.95 era, 1.19 whip

papelbon - 62 ip, 3.92 era, 1.19 whip

 

he's due to make something like $12 million in arbitration, i would be surprised if we didn't trade him

[a700hitter]

papelbon hasn't been any better than scott atchison

 

atchison - 57 ip, 3.95 era, 1.19 whip

papelbon - 62 ip, 3.92 era, 1.19 whip

 

he's due to make something like $12 million in arbitration, i would be surprised if we didn't trade him

So, you think we can improve the horrendous bullpen by getting rid of Papelbon? I don't see that possibility.

[Yaz Sideburn]

So' date=' you think we can improve the horrendous bullpen by getting rid of Papelbon? I don't see that possibility.[/quote']

 

i think we could easily improve our bullpen by trading papelbon and siging a better free agent reliever. for $12 million a year we could pretty much sign any free agent reliever out there with the exception of mariano rivera

[a700hitter]

i think we could easily improve our bullpen by trading papelbon and siging a better free agent reliever. for $12 million a year we could pretty much sign any free agent reliever out there with the exception of mariano rivera

What FA relievers are available that would be an uprade over Papelbon? And what about the bunch of clowns that shared the bullpen with Bard and Papelbon? Don't they need to be upgraded?

[Yaz Sideburn]

What FA relievers are available that would be an uprade over Papelbon? And what about the bunch of clowns that shared the bullpen with Bard and Papelbon? Don't they need to be upgraded?

 

incomplete list of free agent relievers who are better than papelbon and would cost less

 

rafael soriano

grant balfour

scott downs

dan wheeler

takashi saito

kerry wood

 

care to retract your statement that it's not possible to improve the bullpen by trading papelbon?

[a700hitter]

incomplete list of free agent relievers who are better than papelbon and would cost less

 

rafael soriano

grant balfour

scott downs

dan wheeler

takashi saito

kerry wood

 

care to retract your statement that it's not possible to improve the bullpen by trading papelbon?

These guys are better than Papelbon?

 

grant balfour

dan wheeler

takashi saito

kerry wood

 

Seriously?

[Yaz Sideburn]

These guys are better than Papelbon?

 

grant balfour

dan wheeler

takashi saito

kerry wood

 

Seriously?

 

i would much rather have any of the guys i listed for next year than watch papelbon continue to decline for $12 million. i think it's pretty clear that there are guys out there who are better than papelbon and would cost $12 million

 

so i'll ask again. do you care to retract your statement that it's not possible to improve the bullpen if we trade papelbon?

[a700hitter]

i would much rather have any of the guys i listed for next year than watch papelbon continue to decline for $12 million. i think it's pretty clear that there are guys out there who are better than papelbon and would cost $12 million

 

so i'll ask again. do you care to retract your statement that it's not possible to improve the bullpen if we trade papelbon?

I'm not seeing that. We could get those other guys and keep Papelbon. That's how I would chose to improve the pen. If Paps gets subtracted from an already stinky bullpen, the FO would really have its work cut out for it.

[Yaz Sideburn]

I'm not seeing that. We could get those other guys and keep Papelbon. That's how I would chose to improve the pen. If Paps gets subtracted from an already stinky bullpen' date=' the FO would really have its work cut out for it.[/quote']

 

for the money it would take to pay papelbon's arbiration raise and add a quality bullpen arm, the red sox could sign rafael soriano, scott downs and joe biemel

 

you may not be willing to admit it, but the red sox could definitely trade papelbon and improve their bullpen

[a700hitter]

for the money it would take to pay papelbon's arbiration raise and add a quality bullpen arm, the red sox could sign rafael soriano, scott downs and joe biemel

 

you may not be willing to admit it, but the red sox could definitely trade papelbon and improve their bullpen

I don't think you can get those three guys for Papelbon's money.

[Yaz Sideburn]

I don't think you can get those three guys for Papelbon's money.

 

i don't either. go back and read what i said

[a700hitter]

i don't either. go back and read what i said

Why would Soriano sign for less than Papelbon would get in arbitration after he had a much better year than Papelbon?

[redsoxrules]

He's not a free agent this year. If he rebounds next year' date=' he won't go hungry in free agency.[/quote']

 

what makes you think he'll rebound next year ?

[ORS]

what makes you think he'll rebound next year ?

He made an all-star team in past. He'll be good forever now.

[boston22407]

He made an all-star team in past. He'll be good forever now.

 

future HOF

[Yaz Sideburn]

Why would Soriano sign for less than Papelbon would get in arbitration after he had a much better year than Papelbon?

 

because the market price for what papelbon provides is less than what he would make in arbitration. hence why most people think we will trade him

[Palodios]

Why would Soriano sign for less than Papelbon would get in arbitration after he had a much better year than Papelbon?

 

Papelbon will get atleast 11 million, because players almost always get raises of atleast 20% during the process. Papelbon won't be worth that money, but because of the way arbitration works, that's how much he will make if offered arbitration.

 

Soriono right now is worth elite-level money, but using his Papelbon's arbitration numbers as a benchmark for his salary is illogical because in free agency, players are paid for what they're worth, rather than 20% more than the year before. Soriono will be in that 10-12 per year range.

[a700hitter]

because the market price for what papelbon provides is less than what he would make in arbitration. hence why most people think we will trade him

The arbitrator will not rule in his favor if his submitted figure is above market value and the Red Sox figure reflects market value.

[Yaz Sideburn]

The arbitrator will not rule in his favor if his submitted figure is above market value and the Red Sox figure reflects market value.

 

that's not how arbitration works

[a700hitter]

I don't think that we can get Soriano and two quality arms for the price of Papelbon and one quality arm. I just don't see that as a possibility. I also don't see the Sox signing a big money reliever who would delay Bard from moving into the closer's role.

[a700hitter]

that's not how arbitration works

The arbitrator will give the decision to the party that is closer to market value. He doesn't just pull it out of his ass.