Sox sign Scutaro .

[Dipre]

If Dojji was managing the sox he would promote the entire pawtucket team and have them play everyday and use the current team as bench players

 

Guys Doiji has hyped:

 

Mike Lowell (Over Mark f***ing Teixeira).

 

Hunter Jones (Lol really?)

 

Jed Lowrie (He'll be healthy someday)

 

Nick Green (Well he IS a stud)

 

Tug Hulett (Tug who?)

 

And this is just the top of my head, but i'm sure the trend is easily noticeable.

[redsoxrules]

dont forget lars anderson

 

 

but seriously...I'm not jumping for joy for Scutaro BUT I strongly beleive that he will be better with the suck that they've been putting out there in the last 3-4 years

 

and the price isnt too bad

[Dipre]

dont forget lars anderson

 

 

but seriously...I'm not jumping for joy for Scutaro BUT I strongly beleive that he will be better with the suck that they've been putting out there in the last 3-4 years

 

and the price isnt too bad

 

He'll be good enough for us not to have to count on Lowrie again.

 

Until he proves he's healthy, there is absolutely no reason for him to even be sniffing the big club.

[Dojji]

Seriously , drop the hard on for Lowrie

scutaro will be the full SS this season and Theo got him for a reason , cause Lowrie isn't the man for the job PERIOD

 

you have a problem if you think Lowrie should the opening day starter at SS

 

I started to get offended by that, but then I realized you were probably saying the same things about Jon Lester in 2007, largely on a similar basis -- health problems that really weren't his fault and didn't allow him to display his full talent level.

 

OK, the guy had one injury, it sapped his performance down the stretch last year, and the ramifications carried over into this year. Get over it already. Until proven otherwise, Lowrie still has all the talent he ever had. And we all saw what he could do before he got hurt. If he still has at least 80% of that, we'll be fine.

 

Do you honestly want to tell me that you see no possibility that Lowrie could establish himself as a healthy, effective shortstop this season, that Scutaro could pull a Lugo, and that a combination of these two things could make Lowrie our starter?

 

You really want to tell me that?

[Dojji]

He'll be good enough for us not to have to count on Lowrie again.

 

Meh. Jury's out on that. An ordinary Scutaro year won't keep Lowrie down long if he starts to hit up to his old level. I'm seeing perhaps a Manny Delcarmen 2007 parallel, let him get some experience and work past his early struggles, go into June in Pawtucket, and then if nothing goes wrong, he'll be back in the big leagues. Certainly he'll be with the team after the Break, unless he gets hurt again. And Lowrie as we've seen him so far in the majors is a substantially better defender than Scutaro, so don't rule out a role reversal.

 

Until he proves he's healthy, there is absolutely no reason for him to even be sniffing the big club.

 

Right, that's why Lowrie isn't my answer to break camp as the utility man. That's also at least partly why the Sox traded for Hulett. Even you agree that if Lowrie DOES get hurt, AND Scutaro sucks, we'll still need to line up Plans C, D, and E.

[Dipre]

Meh. Jury's out on that. An ordinary Scutaro year won't keep Lowrie down long if he starts to hit up to his old level. I'm seeing perhaps a Manny Delcarmen 2007 parallel' date=' let him get some experience and work past his early struggles, go into June in Pawtucket, and then if nothing goes wrong, he'll be back in the big leagues. Certainly he'll be with the team after the Break, [b']unless he gets hurt again[/b]. And Lowrie as we've seen him so far in the majors is a substantially better defender than Scutaro, so don't rule out a role reversal.

 

One thing i've noticed is you consistently downplay the knee injury he suffered last year besides the wrist injury.

 

He has the talent, and no one has argued otherwise, but until he plays to the level of his talent while staying healthy, he's staying at Pawtucket.

 

Right, that's why Lowrie isn't my answer to break camp as the utility man. That's also at least partly why the Sox traded for Hulett. Even you agree that if Lowrie DOES get hurt, AND Scutaro sucks, we'll still need to line up Plans C, D, and E.

 

If plan B for this team in terms of an injury for a middle infielder is Tug Hulett, then i'm worried about the state of this team right now.

[Gom]

I really don't understand why you guys are all upset about Scutaro.

 

First of all, he came cheap. $5 million...you guys are complaining here?

 

Second of all, he IS better than what you had at SS the last few years.

 

Now, I don't think he'll have the year he had last year, but even if he regresses to his norm...is he really that bad?

[Dojji]

I'm not that worried about the knee, because from what I read about it at the time it seemed to be an ordinary injury -- the kind that doesn't normally come back to bite a player the next season. If it was a shoulder I'd be concerned, if it was a labrum or a ligament I'd be alarmed, but an ordinary knee problem? Hardly registers.

 

If plan B for this team in terms of an injury for a middle infielder is Tug Hulett, then i'm worried about the state of this team right now.

 

As things stand, Plan B is Lowrie, but he's not going to be ready at the start of the year, or at least the team is playing cautious with him. That vaults Hulett up into more significance than he'd otherwise have.

[Dojji]

I really don't understand why you guys are all upset about Scutaro.

 

First of all, he came cheap. $5 million...you guys are complaining here?

 

Second of all, he IS better than what you had at SS the last few years.

 

Now, I don't think he'll have the year he had last year, but even if he regresses to his norm...is he really that bad?

 

I think it's the combination of Theo once more buying the hype on an over-30 SS and costing us another draft pick into the bargain.

 

On 7 of our 8 field positions Theo Epstein does a great, great job keeping the roster full. Unfortunately, the one area he's bad, he's very, very bad. The guy just can't tell a good SS from a bad one.

[Dipre]

I'm not that worried about the knee' date=' because from what I read about it at the time it seemed to be an ordinary injury -- the kind that doesn't normally come back to bite a player the next season. If it was a shoulder I'd be concerned, if it was a labrum or a ligament I'd be alarmed, but an ordinary knee problem? Hardly registers.[/quote']

 

But you stated he's only suffered one injury, that is not accurate. An injury is an injury no matter how grave it is.

 

As things stand, Plan B is Lowrie, but he's not going to be ready at the start of the year, or at least the team is playing cautious with him. That vaults Hulett up into more significance than he'd otherwise have.

 

There are enough proven options out there for Hulett to be any more than emergency backup at Pawtucket.

[Gom]

I think it's the combination of Theo once more buying the hype on an over-30 SS and costing us another draft pick into the bargain.

 

On 7 of our 8 field positions Theo Epstein does a great, great job keeping the roster full. Unfortunately, the one area he's bad, he's very, very bad. The guy just can't tell a good SS from a bad one.

 

Let me ask you something...

 

Would you trade Wagner and Carter [or whoever was the guy they traded for Wagner] for Scutaro?

[Dojji]

There are enough proven options out there for Hulett to be any more than emergency backup at Pawtucket.

 

Unless you're thinking Miguel Tejada or Chone Figgins is going to take a reserve infielder position, I'm not seeing it.

[Dojji]

Let me ask you something...

 

Would you trade Wagner and Carter [or whoever was the guy they traded for Wagner] for Scutaro?

 

No. I don't believe in investing in middle infielders over the age of 32. It's bit us hard recently. A lot.

[Dipre]

Unless you're thinking Miguel Tejada or Chone Figgins is going to take a reserve infielder position' date=' I'm not seeing it.[/quote']

 

Utility types who can play SS and do not suck as much ass as Hulet:

 

Bobby Crosby.

 

Jerry Hairston Jr.

 

Nick Green.

 

Juan Uribe.

 

Khalil Greene.

 

 

If you think Hulett is better than any of those guys, then i don't know what to tell you.

[rhet]

Theo seems to be getting more bang for the buck these days...

 

Scutaro .379 OBP for $5 million

vs.

Drew .392 OBP for $14 million

[Gom]

This is like comparing diarrhea to a case of the runs.

 

Same s***...and any way you look at it...it's s***.

[Dipre]

Theo seems to be getting more bang for the buck these days...

 

Scutaro .379 OBP for $5 million

vs.

Drew .392 OBP for $14 million

 

But wait, you conveniently forgot:

 

JD Drew slugging: 522.

 

JD Drew OPS: .914, 6th among outfielders who had enough PA's to qualify for the batting title.

[Dojji]

The only one I'd take over a wildcard is Hairston.

 

I mean -- Juan Uribe? Khalil Greene? Seriously, Dipre? These guys are below the .688 OPS ZIPS projection Hulett had on him last season. They're literally below replacement hitters.

 

Of those five, you take Hairston and maaaaaaaaaaaybe Green, but neither one are exactly slam dunks. Hairston's pretty mediocre defensively on the infield, and Nick Green is probably providing the same level of offense as Hulett but probably somewhat better D. Balancing that, Hulett actually has upside (not much, but a little) and Green doesn't.

[Dipre]

The only one I'd take over a wildcard is Hairston.

 

I mean -- Juan Uribe? Khalil Greene? Seriously, Dipre? These guys are below the .688 OPS ZIPS projection Hulett had on him last season. They're literally below replacement hitters.

 

Of those five, you take Hairston and maaaaaaaaaaaybe Green, but neither one are exactly slam dunks. Hairston's pretty mediocre defensively on the infield, and Nick Green is probably providing the same level of offense as Hulett but probably somewhat better D. Balancing that, Hulett actually has upside (not much, but a little) and Green doesn't.

 

You keep talking about this ZIP projections.

 

Hulett hasn't done JACK s*** in the major leagues, projections mean nothing.

 

I'll take proven below replacement, over KC castaway any day of the week.

[Gom]

I think you mean proven ABOVE replacement.

[rhet]

But wait, you conveniently forgot:

 

JD Drew slugging: 522.

 

JD Drew OPS: .914, 5th among outfielders who had enough PA's to qualify for the batting title.

 

Oh c'mon, everyone knows that's rubbish. The object of the game is NOT TO MAKE OUTS. Scutaro does that almost as well as Drew at less than half the price. Theo the genius has gotten us more bang for the buck with this signing.

 

[Dipre]

I think you mean proven ABOVE replacement.

 

No.

 

Even if it's slightly BELOW replacement, we're talking utility infield here. So a .700 OPS is not a given, however, any of these guys are proven Major Leaguers, not a dump by the f***ing Royals.

[Dipre]

Oh c'mon, everyone knows that's rubbish. The object of the game is NOT TO MAKE OUTS. Scutaro does that almost as well as Drew at less than half the price. Theo the genius has gotten us more bang for the buck with this signing.

 

 

Well, it's good when you don't make outs, but also hit for power and play fantastic defense.

 

If you don't like that, may i suggest starting a "Bring back Trot" petition?

[rhet]

Well, it's good when you don't make outs, but also hit for power and play fantastic defense.

 

He bats 8th.

Enough said.

[Dojji]

No.

 

Even if it's slightly BELOW replacement, we're talking utility infield here. So a .700 OPS is not a given, however, any of these guys are proven Major Leaguers, not a dump by the f***ing Royals.

 

Uribe and Greene are not slightly below replacement and should have been dumped from the league 2 years ago or more. They survive on reputation and that's pretty much it.

 

And we've pretty much established that the "f***ing Royals" aren't good judges of talent. Doesn't that mean by logic that they're perfectly capable of throwing away the baby and keeping the bathwater? Such as in the Ynuiesky Betancourt trade?

 

No one should ever be willing to justify paying money to play people that are below replacement level.

[Dipre]

Uribe and Greene are not slightly below replacement should have been dumped from the league 2 years ago. They survive on reputation and that's pretty much it.

 

And we've pretty much established that the "f***ing Royals" aren't good judges of talent. Doesn't that mean by logic that they're perfectly capable of throwing away the baby and keeping the bathwater? Such as in the Ynuiesky Betancourt trade?

 

No one should ever be willing to justify paying money to play people that are below replacement level.

 

Oh?

 

Juan Uribe had an .824 OPS in 432 AB's last year. It's true, that's not slightly below replacement, it's above replacement, in a convincing sample size too. But i guess Hulett is better amirite?

 

Greene had a .619 OPS, but a .217 BABIP to go along with it, and again, he has proven he can handle major league pitching. Hulett hasn't.

 

KC is not the first team to dump Tug btw, he was also dropped by Seattle. We're talking about a 26-year-old AAAA player. You can cherry-pick all you want, but that is exactly what he is.

 

I also urge you, yet again, to do your research on players you're going to diss, just look at Uribe.

[Dojji]

I notice you don't want Uribe around as our starting SS.

 

So obviously, you're just screwing around on Uribe in a lame attempt to make a point. YOU KNOW as well as any of the rest of us do that that isn't his true talent level. Esepcially given the numbers he put up in the prior three seasons (.698, .678, .682).

 

Don't make a point unless you're prepared to stand by it.

[Dipre]

I notice you don't want Uribe around as our starting SS.

 

So obviously, you're just screwing around on Uribe in a lame attempt to make a point. YOU KNOW as well as any of the rest of us do that that isn't his true talent level. Esepcially given the numbers he put up in the prior three seasons (.698, .678, .682).

 

Don't make a point unless you're prepared to stand by it.

 

What the f*** are you talking about?

 

He had a good season last season, and all of those sub-700 OPS seasons are better than anything Hulett will ever do in the league.

 

I would take Uribe as a util IF right now.

 

How is it a lame attempt to make a point when i'm listing legitimate, proven options instead of KC castaways?

 

Logic:

 

Use it.

[Dojji]

Uribe isn't a proven anything. That's the tragedy of him, you can see the talent, but he has never, can never, and will never actually put it together into anything. I wouldn't touch him, and I am glad he's not coming to Boston in any way other than as a member of a competing team. He's exactly the kind of streaky, unpredictable player teams are wise to steer clear of -- unless their owner and GM are current on their blood pressure medicine.

 

I've already conceded the point on Hairston and Green, I'm not sure what more you want from me. Uribe is a total idiot though. Complete with ten cent head, zero plate patience, skills only seemingly manifesting in contract years, and putting on wieght despite hoping to play middle infield.

[Dipre]

Uribe isn't a proven anything. I wouldn't touch him, and I am glad he's not coming to Boston in any way other than as a member of a competing team. He's exactly the kind of streaky, unpredictable player teams are wise to steer clear of.

 

I've already conceded the point on Hairston and Green, I'm not sure what more you want from me. Uribe is a total idiot though. Complete with ten cent head, zero plate patience, skills only seemingly manifesting in contract years, and putting on wieght despite hoping to play middle infield.

 

Uribe hasn't proven anything?

 

*Sigh*

 

To you, Uribe hasn't proven anything, but Tug Hulett is a viable option?

 

:dunno: