Cardinals hire McGwire as hitting coach

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WOW......:dunno:

 

http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/10/25/mark-mcgwire-cardinals-new-hitting-coach/

 

I suppose his drills will consist of teaching the players how to safely use a syringe.

 

I'm shocked to see this move considering Mac's not exactly in very good standing with the baseball world. Maybe this is a ploy to get his name back out there and return to good favor with people around the league in hopes of a HoF induction. Regardless, I'm SHOCKED.

[msubulldogs21]

Hey hey HEY, we're not here to talk about the past, ok?

 

It surprised me as well. The key for the Cardinals is bringing back Dave Duncan though. It would be so awesome if he went elsewhere.

[Optimist]

Does he know he'll have to be in public to do this job? I thought he decided to fade into obscurity long ago.

[Cliff]

....so, the Cardinals are trying to hit homeruns and only homeruns? McGwire was one of the most one-dimensional hitters in all of baseball.

[bsox0407]

....so' date=' the Cardinals are trying to hit homeruns and only homeruns? McGwire was one of the most one-dimensional hitters in all of baseball.[/quote']

 

he is really gonna teach them how to "hit" the roids.

[Dipre]

....so' date=' the Cardinals are trying to hit homeruns and only homeruns? McGwire was one of the most one-dimensional hitters in all of baseball.[/quote']

 

Oh?

 

You mean the guy with the .394 lifetime OBP who could also play about average defense?

 

Not to mention a .263 lifetime BA combined with the fact he never struck out more than 160 times in a full season mean he could make decent contact.

 

Please get your facts straight before making such claims.

[Cliff]

Oh?

 

You mean the guy with the .394 lifetime OBP who could also play about average defense?

 

Not to mention a .263 lifetime BA combined with the fact he never struck out more than 160 times in a full season mean he could make decent contact.

 

Please get your facts straight before making such claims.

 

160x.. thats good? So what you're trying to say is Mark McGwire kept himself out of the BOTTOM of the league when it came to strikeouts? Okay, so he didnt strikeout 160x, but he did strikeout 159x. Hm. Lets add 1 and use that as a fair comparison.

 

How about you take into consideration that for every hit he has, he has one strikeout. Just damn near a 1:1 ratio for strikeouts to hits. He also had 5 seasons where he had more strikeouts than hits.

 

1,626 hits, 583 homeruns, 252 doubles, 6 triples. He averaged 15 doubles a season.. which is AWFUL. Out of every 3 hits he has, he has atleast one homerun.

 

Like I said, one dimensional

[bsox0407]

160x.. thats good? So what you're trying to say is Mark McGwire kept himself out of the BOTTOM of the league when it came to strikeouts? Okay, so he didnt strikeout 160x, but he did strikeout 159x. Hm. Lets add 1 and use that as a fair comparison.

 

How about you take into consideration that for every hit he has, he has one strikeout. Just damn near a 1:1 ratio for strikeouts to hits. He also had 5 seasons where he had more strikeouts than hits.

 

1,626 hits, 583 homeruns, 252 doubles, 6 triples. He averaged 15 doubles a season.. which is AWFUL. Out of every 3 hits he has, he has atleast one homerun.

 

Like I said, one dimensional

 

WHAT ABOUT DEFENSE?

 

THE ABILITY TO BB?

[Spudboy]

McGwire sucked ass.

 

He had a very unremarkable career until he took enough PEDs to start setting HR records.

 

f*** the pizza faced looser.

[Dipre]

160x.. thats good? So what you're trying to say is Mark McGwire kept himself out of the BOTTOM of the league when it came to strikeouts? Okay, so he didnt strikeout 160x, but he did strikeout 159x. Hm. Lets add 1 and use that as a fair comparison.

 

How about you take into consideration that for every hit he has, he has one strikeout. Just damn near a 1:1 ratio for strikeouts to hits. He also had 5 seasons where he had more strikeouts than hits.

 

1,626 hits, 583 homeruns, 252 doubles, 6 triples. He averaged 15 doubles a season.. which is AWFUL. Out of every 3 hits he has, he has atleast one homerun.

 

Like I said, one dimensional

 

O rly?

 

So if you get on base, hit for a decent average and play average defense you're "one dimensional"?

 

The reason i brought up "under 160 K's" is because he doesn't K 200 times like Mark Reynolds and Ryan Howard.

 

THOSE are one-dimensional players.

 

Hell, Reynolds is not one-dimensional either because he can play solid defense.

 

Stop making s*** up please.

[Dipre]

McGwire sucked ass.

 

He had a very unremarkable career until he took enough PEDs to start setting HR records.

 

f*** the pizza faced looser.

 

Spud.

 

PEDs and all, was he a one-dimensional player or not?

 

It's not a "f*** MCGWIRE HE SUKED!!!111!!!!" discussion.

 

Or "OMG PEDS!!!111!!" discussion.

 

It's what the numbers show.

[Cliff]

O rly?

 

So if you get on base, hit for a decent average and play average defense you're "one dimensional"?

 

The reason i brought up "under 160 K's" is because he doesn't K 200 times like Mark Reynolds and Ryan Howard.

 

THOSE are one-dimensional players.

 

Hell, Reynolds is not one-dimensional either because he can play solid defense.

 

Stop making s*** up please.

 

What am I making up? And where did I say he was a one dimensional player? *READ* I said he was a one dimensional *HITTER*.

 

Its a good thing hes the cardinals HITTING COACH and not the FIRST BASE COACH. Because his talent at first base is going to make him a better hitting coach? Seriously, what s*** am I making up? His stats? That I took directly from MLB.com?

[Dipre]

What am I making up? And where did I say he was a one dimensional player? *READ* I said he was a one dimensional *HITTER*.

 

Its a good thing hes the cardinals HITTING COACH and not the FIRST BASE COACH. Because his talent at first base is going to make him a better hitting coach? Seriously, what s*** am I making up? His stats? That I took directly from MLB.com?

 

Not even a one-dimensional hitter.

 

Lol MLB.

 

If you hit for power, a decent average and get on base, how the f*** is that one-dimensional?

 

That's why, instead of reading MLB.COM you need to think even if you read it there.

[Spudboy]

Spud.

 

PEDs and all, was he a one-dimensional player or not?

 

It's not a "f*** MCGWIRE HE SUKED!!!111!!!!" discussion.

 

Or "OMG PEDS!!!111!!" discussion.

 

It's what the numbers show.

 

What exactly was so impressive about his career?

 

He was a s*** 1st baseman that did little other than hit the ball along way when he actually made contact. Without the PEDs, he a was run of the mill big boy. Nothing special.

 

So yeah, in my opinion, he was a very limited ballplayer.

[Dipre]

What exactly was so impressive about his career?

 

He was a s*** 1st baseman that did little other than hit the ball along way when he actually made contact. Without the PEDs, he a was run of the mill big boy. Nothing special.

 

So yeah, in my opinion, he was a very limited ballplayer.

 

Lol Cardinals hate at its best.

[Cliff]

Not even a one-dimensional hitter.

 

Lol MLB.

 

If you hit for power, a decent average and get on base, how the f*** is that one-dimensional?

 

That's why, instead of reading MLB.COM you need to think even if you read it there.

 

No? How was he not?

 

LOL MLB! OH MY DEAR GOD. I got stats off MLB.com. Whats wrong with that? Am I supposed to be a computer who remembers his batting average, homeruns, doubles, and so forth?

 

Who the hell considers a .263 lifetime batting average "decent". Are you retarded?

 

And what do you have to say about the 1:1 ratio of hits to strikeouts?

 

And like I said, I got his STATS OFF MLB.COM. Where the hell did you get his batting average from? Your chin after he removed his sack off it?

[Cliff]

What exactly was so impressive about his career?

 

He was a s*** 1st baseman that did little other than hit the ball along way when he actually made contact. Without the PEDs, he a was run of the mill big boy. Nothing special.

 

So yeah, in my opinion, he was a very limited ballplayer.

 

Yea, no s***? Thank you. Eliminate his ONE-DIMENSIONAL ABILITY to hit homeruns.. I guess that 1:1 hits to strikeout ratio will really help the cardinals.

[Dipre]

No? How was he not?

 

LOL MLB! OH MY DEAR GOD. I got stats off MLB.com. Whats wrong with that? Am I supposed to be a computer who remembers his batting average, homeruns, doubles, and so forth?

 

Who the hell considers a .263 lifetime batting average "decent". Are you retarded?

 

And what do you have to say about the 1:1 ratio of hits to strikeouts?

 

And like I said, I got his STATS OFF MLB.COM. Where the hell did you get his batting average from? Your chin after he removed his sack off it?

 

Oh homosexual remarks, about to come off the closet champ?

 

Since when is a 263 BA (specially for a power hitter) NOT decent?

 

As long as a player's BA hovers above the .260's and the OBP above the .390's, then you're not a one dimensional hitter, specially if you hit XBH at the rate MCgwire did, not only homers.

 

Oh, and i got my stats from Fangraphs, unlike you, who got his from MLB.COM right after Mike Bowman's old, wrinkled ballsack left your throat.

 

And talking about retards, you calling me one 'cause you're looking for a partner at the special Olympics?

 

'cause i'm sure you're a yearly participant.

[yankees228]

.982 career OPS.

 

Very impressive.

[Dipre]

.982 career OPS.

 

Very impressive.

 

OH NOOOOOOOOOOO.

 

HE ONLY HIT HOMERUNS.

 

The over .390 OBP means nothing, so he resorts to homosexual remarks like the 12-year-old he is.

 

Hooray for idiots!

[Cliff]

Oh homosexual remarks, about to come off the closet champ?

 

Since when is a 263 BA (specially for a power hitter) NOT decent?

 

As long as a player's BA hovers above the .260's and the OBP above the .390's, then you're not a one dimensional hitter, specially if you hit XBH at the rate MCgwire did, not only homers.

 

Oh, and i got my stats from Fangraphs, unlike you, who got his from MLB.COM right after Mike Bowman's old, wrinkled ballsack left your throat.

 

And talking about retards, you calling me one 'cause you're looking for a partner at the special Olympics?

 

'cause i'm sure you're a yearly participant.

 

Seriously, youre a f***ing retard and a waste of time. So you're putting me down because I looked up his stats from mlb.com? My god.. you're f***ing pathetic.

 

And here you go again.. you take his stats, and use them as a baseline? "As long as a player hovers above the .260 (.263) and above the .390 (.394)" Dont forget the "he never struck out 160x in a season" ... just add one to his career high of 159.

 

You're a clown, seriously. And an XBH machine? Seriously... shhh. Like I said. he averaged 15 doubles a season. Do you think 15 doubles in a season is very good? His XBH's were all homeruns.

[yankees228]

Seriously, youre a f***ing retard and a waste of time. So you're putting me down because I looked up his stats from mlb.com? My god.. you're f***ing pathetic.

 

And here you go again.. you take his stats, and use them as a baseline? "As long as a player hovers above the .260 (.263) and above the .390 (.394)" Dont forget the "he never struck out 160x in a season" ... just add one to his career high of 159.

 

You're a clown, seriously. And an XBH machine? Seriously... shhh. Like I said. he averaged 15 doubles a season. Do you think 15 doubles in a season is very good? His XBH's were all homeruns.

 

His career OPS was almost .1000. He was one of the most productive offensive players of the 90s.

[Dipre]

Seriously, youre a f***ing retard and a waste of time. So you're putting me down because I looked up his stats from mlb.com? My god.. you're f***ing pathetic.

 

And here you go again.. you take his stats, and use them as a baseline? "As long as a player hovers above the .260 (.263) and above the .390 (.394)" Dont forget the "he never struck out 160x in a season" ... just add one to his career high of 159.

 

You're a clown, seriously. And an XBH machine? Seriously... shhh. Like I said. he averaged 15 doubles a season. Do you think 15 doubles in a season is very good? His XBH's were all homeruns.

 

First of all, my mentally challenged friend.

 

If you're "One-dimensional" it means you only do one thing right.

 

If you hit for power AND get on base at an elite clip, how are you one-dimensional?

 

Instead of refuting this, you went for the name-calling like the short-bus rider you are.

 

Also, Mcgwire hit over 70 XBH six times with two over 75.

 

Listen, champ, if you don't even know what 'One-dimensional" means, please stop regurgitating those articles you read at Mlb.com, or you'll have to keep riding the first seat of the short bus k?

[Wells]

I guess we'll see how his hitting skill translates to coaching.. it sucks that he probably juiced but not much anyone can do at this point and aside from admission there is no way to actually prove it unless somebody kept syringes around for the last 10 years with Mac's DNA attached to it still..

 

the Cardinals main problem has been Tony LaRussa anyway.. how they won in 2006 is still a f***ing mystery to me.

[Cliff]

His career OPS was almost .1000. He was one of the most productive offensive players of the 90s.

 

So you're trying to tell me that he could walk, and hit homeruns? Okay, great.

 

How helpful were those walks, really?

 

1167 runs in his career, with 583 homeruns. So more than 50% of his runs scored came from his own longball.

 

Out of 1,414 rbi's.. 954 of those came from the homerun.

 

And pleeeease, do not forget the 1:1 strikeout to hit ratio.

[Dipre]

So you're trying to tell me that he could walk, and hit homeruns? Okay, great.

 

How helpful were those walks, really?

 

1167 runs in his career, with 583 homeruns. So more than 50% of his runs scored came from his own longball.

 

Out of 1,414 rbi's.. 954 of those came from the homerun.

 

And pleeeease, do not forget the 1:1 strikeout to hit ratio.

 

This doesn't help the argument any.

 

You said he was a "one dimensional" hitter.

 

One-dimensional means you can only do one thing well.

 

Hitting for power and getting on base are separate skills. They don't go together.

 

You can hit for power without getting much on base.

 

You can get on base without hitting for power.

 

So if you get on base AND hit for power, how are you one-dimensional?

 

The very logic on which this premise is founded is WRONG.

[Cliff]

First of all, my mentally challenged friend.

 

If you're "One-dimensional" it means you only do one thing right.

 

If you hit for power AND get on base at an elite clip, how are you one-dimensional?

 

Instead of refuting this, you went for the name-calling like the short-bus rider you are.

 

Also, Mcgwire hit over 70 XBH six times with two over 75.

 

Listen, champ, if you don't even know what 'One-dimensional" means, please stop regurgitating those articles you read at Mlb.com, or you'll have to keep riding the first seat of the short bus k?

 

I'm sorry, but I don't recall reading mlb.com articles about Mark McGwire. I'm rather certain I said I received his stats off mlb.com Big difference from an article, and a database.

 

Dude, the 70xbh hits.. HOW MANY came from the homerun?! Like I said, he averaged FIFTEEN DOUBLES PER SEASON. That is def. NOT considered *ELITE* by ANY means. Ontop of that, his amazingly AWESOME 1:1 hit to strikeout ratio.

[yankees228]

So you're trying to tell me that he could walk, and hit homeruns? Okay, great.

 

How helpful were those walks, really?

 

1167 runs in his career, with 583 homeruns. So more than 50% of his runs scored came from his own longball.

 

Out of 1,414 rbi's.. 954 of those came from the homerun.

 

And pleeeease, do not forget the 1:1 strikeout to hit ratio.

 

It's not his fault if the guys in front of him aren't getting on, or the guys behind him aren't knocking him in.

 

As for the strikeout argument, that's such a minor thing. In most cases, an out is an out. With McGwire's speed, it's probably a good thing that some of those outs were strikeouts.

[Dipre]

I'm sorry, but I don't recall reading mlb.com articles about Mark McGwire. I'm rather certain I said I received his stats off mlb.com Big difference from an article, and a database.

 

Dude, the 70xbh hits.. HOW MANY came from the homerun?! Like I said, he averaged FIFTEEN DOUBLES PER SEASON. That is def. NOT considered *ELITE* by ANY means. Ontop of that, his amazingly AWESOME 1:1 hit to strikeout ratio.

 

Yet another argument that is fundamentally wrong.

 

XBH's are XBH's, so if you hit 90, but 70 of them are homers, that's somehow supposed to be a bad thing?

 

ROFLCOPTER!

 

BTW, Mcgwire DID hit 91 XBH in his 1998 season.

 

But he only hit 20 'cause homers don't count. amirite?

[Cliff]

This doesn't help the argument any.

 

You said he was a "one dimensional" hitter.

 

One-dimensional means you can only do one thing well.

 

Hitting for power and getting on base are separate skills. They don't go together.

 

You can hit for power without getting much on base.

 

You can get on base without hitting for power.

 

So if you get on base AND hit for power, how are you one-dimensional?

 

The very logic on which this premise is founded is WRONG.

 

Okay, I'm sorry.. he could hit homeruns and walk. You win. He is a two dimensional hitter. Myy bad. So I guess the fact he struckout 1/3rd of the time means nothing. =)