Kessel traded to Leafs

[Dojji]

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=499041

 

Apparently they got two firsts and a second, and Kessel was inked to a cap hit of more than $5M/year by the Leafs.

 

Considering the fail brigade the Leafs are running, though, these could potentially be fairly high first rounders. Their offense is good but soft, their defense is shallow, their goaltender average at best.

 

I still would rather have gotten something that would help us more immediately, considering we're taking 30 goals out of the offense in a year we're competing for a cup.

 

On the other hand, we weren't going to be able to keep Kessel if he was holding out for $5M. No, not even if we hadn't re-upped Tim Thomas. The numbers just don't work.

[TheKilo]

So glad we paid Tim Thomas.

 

Whatever, this organization is the laughingstock of Boston sports and they reap what they sow.

 

Kessel wasn't enough of a Bruin for them, I guess.

[redsoxrules]

Thats a big loss on offense

[YanksHater213]

I'm f***ing really f***ing upset about this f***ing deal.

 

Kessel was 21 and a f***ing 36 goal scorer. Our future should benefit with picks, but why wouild you trade a 21 year old scorer for picks. f***. I may be drunk but this is fukcing horse s***. I'll wait til I sober up for final analysis, but for now. f***.

[TheKilo]

What analysis do you need?

 

Bruins overpay for marginal talent and yet young talent with extreme upside walk once again.

 

Same s***, different day.

[redsoxrules]

this kid is a potential 50 goal scorer

[TheKilo]

Potential? I think he had a shot at 50 if he didn't get sick last season.

 

Point per game player in the playoffs gone because Chiarelli loves Chuck Kobasew and Tim Thomas.

[YanksHater213]

I mean I always thought Phil was a f***ing 1 dimensional player but f***, you gotta let a guy develop into his body and see what he has, especially when he's 21. What do you or the player lose when you sign a 21 year old to a, for example, 4 year deal. Kessel would play 4 years with the B's, and be 25 looking to get a huge deal. If he doesn't prove himself as a servicable 2 way player, you let him go, if he does, you keep him.

 

f***.

 

I'm really f***ing bukllshit about this as of now.

[TheKilo]

Contract is 5/27.

 

Makes it a little easier to swallow, but goddamn. Derek Morris, Chuck Kobasew, and Tim Thomas instead of Phil Kessel.

 

I'll bet anyone on this board $50 he scores 40 goals next season.

[YanksHater213]

o/u 40 goals vs. boston over the length of his contract

 

the guy is finna f***ing murder us

 

f***

[TheKilo]

This is a trade rebuilding teams make, not Cup contenders.

[TheKilo]

On the other hand, we weren't going to be able to keep Kessel if he was holding out for $5M. No, not even if we hadn't re-upped Tim Thomas. The numbers just don't work.

 

Really? They have $1.7 million in cap space and decided to give a 35 f***ing year old goaltender $5 million a season, a goaltender who hasn't won a f***ing thing in his life.

[YanksHater213]

I love Timmy Thomas as much as the next guy, but the Vezina is as close to a fluke as you can say.

 

Kessel, a f***ing 21 year old goal scorer, is wayyyyyyyy more valuable than a 35 year old Vezina winner (not named Roy or Brodeur, HELLO JIM CAREY)

[YanksHater213]

And for Kilo's info, I like Kobasew, he's greta on a f***ing line with Bergeron and either Recchi or Looch, but I'd take Kessel over Kobasew, Ward, Morris, f***ing a lot of other young players.

 

I was as speculative about his 2 way play as anyone, but the guy is 21 years old, why give up on a 21 year old potential NHL goal scoring leader.

[TheKilo]

I'm confident Rask can match Thomas's production with Julien's defense behind him.

 

Who the f*** is going to put the puck in the net, though?

[YanksHater213]

sturm?

 

you could argue that sturm would match kessel's productoin, but if you wanna look long term, kessel is sturm minus 10+ years ot be honest.

 

if you wanna win a champuionship now, you deal kessel for a proven comoddity, but fac tis that kessel is the most proven comiddity we could have added (kept)

 

io'm really f***ing ripshit about this deal

[Looch Ness Monster]

The Thomas deal looks terrible now. We have no other players of Kessel's caliber in the organization waiting in the wings (as far as I know) as far as speed and explosiveness is concerned. Yet, we do have a player on Thomas' caliber in Tuuka Rask ready NOW. I'm not saying we shouldn't have brought Thomas back but I think we should have waited until the offseason and signed him to a shorter deal at a smaller cap hit.

 

Lucic is gonna have to increase his goal scoring production, which I think he will. Same with Wheeler. And Sturm is gonna have to be healthy. I think Sturm can be like 3/4 of what Kessel was but a guy like Kessel is irreplaceable. This deal is going to need a few years and really depends on how the other players on the team PC chose over Kessel perform.

[Dojji]

You guys are overstating it a little bit.

 

I loved Kessel's potential too, and would rather have made room for him. I think that we could have moved Ryder and probably gotten something done. I especially think we'll miss him in the playoffs. but you don't lose very often when you bet on the Leafs to suck, so I think we're going to wind up with some very high firsts on this one. If we do, the deal still might end up being a wash or even a win.

 

there's no denying that this is a very high-risk move. Especially when we get no actual talent back (only potential talent) for a guy with Kessel's upside.

[Dojji]

The Thomas deal looks terrible now.

 

No it doesn't. Tim Thomas' contract was market value for his production. You'd have to believe we'd be better off without him entirely to call that deal terrible.

 

We've tried the whole "throw the early 20's superstar goaltending prospect into the fire" thing ourselves to spectacular failure, and just last year watched the Habs try it, to spectacular failure.

 

How many times are we going to have to watch the stud goaltending prospect fail before we realize the difference between "stud prospect" and "stud player?"

 

Throwing in the 21 year old with minimal veteran support is a move you make when your team is in a low-pressure situation. Not when you're trying to run for a cup.

[Looch Ness Monster]

No it doesn't. We've tried the whole "throw the early 20's superstar goaltending prospect into the fire" thing ourselves to spectacular failure, and just last year watched the Habs try it, to spectacular failure.

 

How many times are we going to have to watch the stud goaltending prospect fail before we realize the difference between "stud prospect" and "stud player?"

 

Throwing in the 21 year old with minimal veteran support is a move you make when your team is in a low-pressure situation. Not when you're trying to run for a cup.

 

You read the first few words of the post then stopped? I said it doesn't mean we shouldn't have signed Thomas because it obviously is stupid to throw a young kid into the fire but I think the team jumped the gun on signing him and overpaid him.

[Dojji]

You read the first few words of the post then stopped? I said it doesn't mean we shouldn't have signed Thomas because it obviously is stupid to throw a young kid into the fire but I think the team jumped the gun on signing him and overpaid him.

 

He's below market for his production over the last 3 years or so. He gave us a home town discount, actually. If you were going to keep Thomas, this is about what he would have cost. As the Vezina winner he could probably have found $7M for himself in another market.

[TheKilo]

No it doesn't. Tim Thomas' contract was market value for his production. You'd have to believe we'd be better off without him entirely to call that deal terrible.

 

Kessel + Rask >>>>> Thomas + Sturm/Ryder, no doubt in my mind, an I really like Michael Ryder.

 

We've tried the whole "throw the early 20's superstar goaltending prospect into the fire" thing ourselves to spectacular failure, and just last year watched the Habs try it, to spectacular failure.

 

How many times are we going to have to watch the stud goaltending prospect fail before we realize the difference between "stud prospect" and "stud player?"

 

Throwing in the 21 year old with minimal veteran support is a move you make when your team is in a low-pressure situation. Not when you're trying to run for a cup.

 

 

You also don't trade your best goal scorer for peanuts in the midst of a Cup run. Like I said upthread, this is a rebuilding move. Not ones Cup contenders make.

[TheKilo]

If you don't think Rask can put up what Thomas did in front of Julien's defensive system, you just don't know much about hockey.

 

Alex f***ing Auld put up a .919 SV% in his time here when playing for Julien.

[Dojji]

If you don't think Rask can put up what Thomas did in front of Julien's defensive system, you just don't know much about hockey.

 

Alex f***ing Auld put up a .919 SV% in his time here when playing for Julien.

 

Not the best comparison. Alex Auld followed that up with a pretty decent result backing up in Ottawa. As a goaltender Auld is probably underrated.

[Looch Ness Monster]

Interesting...I wonder if the Bruins could swing a deal using their massive amount of picks in the next 2 years and a big contract like Ryder.

 

2010

Bruins 1st round pick

Leafs 1st round pick

Bruins 2nd round pick

Lightning 2nd round pick

Leafs 2nd round pick

 

2011

Bruins 1st round pick

Leafs 1st round pick

Bruins 2nd round pick

 

General manager Peter Chiarelli, who estimated that the Phil Kessel trade was finalized at 9:15 p.m. last night, said there were two reasons the deal took place: the forward's desire to leave and Toronto's looming threat of an offer sheet.

 

"Let me be perfectly clear," Chiarelli said. "This trade is really about two things. One, it's about a player who did not want to play in Boston. Two, it's about the threat or the perceived threat of an offer sheet."

[Dojji]

Holy crap that's a lot of picks. Good eye, LNM.

 

That Chiarelli quote should change things. If Kessel didn't want to be here, I don't want him here.

[b.mathews59]

Honestly, why would you give up your highest scoring offense-man to a team for 2 firsts and a second?

I think Kessel was worth alot more, but still shouldn't have been given up. One of the core players of this organization.

[msubulldogs21]

Sigh. Hate to see him go, but whatever, its already been discussed.

 

Lucic's contract is up after 2010 right? I am going to flip if we don't keep him.

[Looch Ness Monster]

Sigh. Hate to see him go, but whatever, its already been discussed.

 

Lucic's contract is up after 2010 right? I am going to flip if we don't keep him.

 

We'll keep him. The Bruins have been trying to get rid of Kessel for the past 2 seasons. Lucic is the face of the franchise, plays in all 3 zones and is a future captain.

[msubulldogs21]

We'll keep him. The Bruins have been trying to get rid of Kessel for the past 2 seasons. Lucic is the face of the franchise' date=' plays in all 3 zones and is a future captain.[/quote']

 

I would sure hope so. What kind of contract do you think he commands?