Breaking News: Richard Seymour traded to Oakland

[Looch Ness Monster]

The Patriots are now confirming that they have traded defensive lineman Richard Seymour to the Raiders.

 

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports that the Patriots will receive a 2011 first-round draft choice.

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/2009/09/patriots_confir_1.html

 

Wow..in Belichick we trust but this move is shocking. I'm guessing this means we want money to sign Wilfork and believe Burgess can replace Seymour at DE.

 

[MANNYHOF24]

WHAT?

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

I'm in no position to question Belichick, so I'll take the fifth.

 

For Oakland, this could really help them this season, to the point of maybe grabbing a wild card spot. Down the road, it's iffy.

[YanksHater213]

I'll take the first for a guy we weren't going to spring the money for.

 

Always thought highly of Jarvis Green, BB must really love him, Burgess, and Wright right now.

[Spudboy]

I wonder if there is another trade in the works that would send the 2011 Oakland pick somewhere for a veteran LB.

[mtbykr]

I don't think the pats wanted to get rid of RS, but saw the writing on the wall. They have a lot of big names coming up for contracts after this year (including Seymore) and maybe he wasn't a high priority due to his age (he'll be 30 by next season). They probably didn't think they could sign him and wanted to get value. A first is a good move but he will be missed this year...i would have liked to see him in the 4-3 the pats are running this year.

[BoSox21]

The Pats waited this long because they feel the guys they have in-house proved that they could take over Seymour's spot. Otherwise, they would've held onto him and some other DT would've been cut.

[msubulldogs21]

There isn't a team in the NFL I would rather trade a player to and get a draft pick back than the Oakland Raiders. It's a 2011 pick, so it very well could be in the top five range and make this deal look great down the road.

[CrespoBlows]

Plus, it could be during the first year of the rookie payscale system. This is a fantastic deal by the Patriots.

[rhet]

Seymour has a lot of mileage on him. And he's expensive.

Good move.

[SoxSport]

Looks like a good deal for NE. They now have more money to sign Wilfork, and have a high no.1 in 2011.

Oakland gets a rental on Seymour. You can bet the Jets make a bid for him next year--they sniff out Patriots' cuts like bloodhounds. Just traded for McConnell, the QB NE cut who was picked up by Detroit.

 

Feeley just cut by the Eagles, Harrington and Garcia also available--you'd think the Patriots would sign a veteran backup for Brady.

[mtbykr]

Word out of Oakland is that the deal was for a 2010 1st but BB insisted on it being a 2011 1st rounder. Pats may pick up Feeley now that he was released, O'Connell rumored to go to the Broncos.

[BoSox21]

O'Connell rumored to go to the Broncos.

 

Didn't the Jets trade for him yesterday?

[TheKilo]

Didn't the Jets trade for him yesterday?

 

Ya but I think he's referring to a possible Brandon Marshall deal.

 

I don't think this deal is as slam dunk as many Pats fans would have you believe with all of the "IN BB WE TRUST!!1" BS.

 

It's a good trade if you look at the big picture. But for a team with SB aspirations, weakening their Achilles heel even further seems to be a big gamble.

[schillingouttheks]

Ya but I think he's referring to a possible Brandon Marshall deal.

 

I don't think this deal is as slam dunk as many Pats fans would have you believe with all of the "IN BB WE TRUST!!1" BS.

 

It's a good trade if you look at the big picture. But for a team with SB aspirations, weakening their Achilles heel even further seems to be a big gamble.

 

I hate that that picture is painted to most Pats fans. It sucks. Oh well. Never used to be that way. :dunno:

 

At this stage in Seymour's career, Jarvis Green can give the same production that he could. It's a great move for the Pats to gain some financial relief and pay Wilfork next year, and in 2011 that first rounder could easily be a top 10 pick. I think in demanding for the 2011 pick, BB knew that the Raiders would not be able to re-sign Seymour given the probable demand among elite contenders for a veteran of that caliber after 2009; thus, any benefits Oakland received from Seymour would not be felt after the 2010 season. I see the Raiders being a bit better this year than 2 years from now simply because they have so much wrong with that team right now that a couple huge plays by Seymour alone could account for a win or two. Couple that with the rookie payscale system possibly going into effect... there may not be any traditional "trading down" for the Pats in 2011.

 

They also must have known something about Seymour's health or were content enough with others' preseason performance to fill-in for him adequately. The Pats have a lot of flexibility, so they can shift Adalius Thomas back to DE if all-else fails and Atully the Hun can get some more playing time. There are many things they can do.

[mtbykr]

Ya but I think he's referring to a possible Brandon Marshall deal.

 

I don't think this deal is as slam dunk as many Pats fans would have you believe with all of the "IN BB WE TRUST!!1" BS.

 

It's a good trade if you look at the big picture. But for a team with SB aspirations, weakening their Achilles heel even further seems to be a big gamble.

 

I wouldn't call the D-Line the Achilles heel of the pats, it's their strength on D....behind them are questions. On the surface this looks great long term and bad for this year. It's hard to imagine the pats D being better/as good without Seymore. He is said to want about $9mil per season and the pats aren't going to give him that so why not sacrifice one year without him for a great return.

 

There won't be a huge drop-off with Jarvis Green stepping in, not to mention that the pats will base a 4-3 this year as opposed to a 3-4 like normal. (this is probably due to much more quality on the Dline than at LB) Mike Wright has played very well in the past...and Myron Pryer and Ron Brace have played very well through camp. I'm sure the pats figured the return was worth more than the drop off this year.

[mtbykr]

Seymore a 'no show' for the Raiders, it could get messy if he refuses to show.

[suns]

There is news that the pats are going to pick up or something mryon pryor.

[ORS]

Seymore a 'no show' for the Raiders' date=' it could get messy if he refuses to show.[/quote']

The ESPN article has his "no-show" being over what sounds like an administrative thing with the Pats. He's quoted as being eager to join the Raiders once whatever it is gets cleared up.

[mtbykr]

The ESPN article has his "no-show" being over what sounds like an administrative thing with the Pats. He's quoted as being eager to join the Raiders once whatever it is gets cleared up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ya that is a Cable quote:

 

"We have attempted to make a deal. There are some issues still between him and the Patriots that are being worked out. Hoping that will be resolved as quickly as possible. We know that the player wants to be here, but we have no control really over those issues. That’s really all I’m going to talk about it for now."

 

and then this from the pats:

 

A Patriots spokesman told the Associated Press that he is not aware of any issues holding up the trade

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Hopefully it's resolved quickly and it's not Seymore making a stink. Lot's of rumors out there about him not wanting to go , but nothing concrete.

[Looch Ness Monster]

I wouldn't want to play for the Raiders either. That sucks for him.

[TheKilo]

I hate that that picture is painted to most Pats fans. It sucks. Oh well. Never used to be that way. :dunno:

 

Guy gets way too much credit for not having won anything in 5 years.

 

At this stage in Seymour's career, Jarvis Green can give the same production that he could.

 

Strongly disagree. If Seymour is healthy he's a top 10 DL in this league and he was coming off a season where he had eight sacks.

 

It's a great move for the Pats to gain some financial relief and pay Wilfork next year, and in 2011 that first rounder could easily be a top 10 pick.

 

Unless Wilfork senses desperation from the Pats and demands even more money. If I were his agent, that's what I'd do.

 

I think in demanding for the 2011 pick, BB knew that the Raiders would not be able to re-sign Seymour given the probable demand among elite contenders for a veteran of that caliber after 2009; thus, any benefits Oakland received from Seymour would not be felt after the 2010 season. I see the Raiders being a bit better this year than 2 years from now simply because they have so much wrong with that team right now that a couple huge plays by Seymour alone could account for a win or two. Couple that with the rookie payscale system possibly going into effect... there may not be any traditional "trading down" for the Pats in 2011.

 

Yeah, I get this, but it doesn't help them this season.

 

I also keep hearing "they got something for someone they weren't going to get anything from anyway", completely neglecting that Seymour would have given them one more season of very high caliber football.

 

They also must have known something about Seymour's health or were content enough with others' preseason performance to fill-in for him adequately. The Pats have a lot of flexibility, so they can shift Adalius Thomas back to DE if all-else fails and Atully the Hun can get some more playing time. There are many things they can do.

 

I assume they give Burgess more DE time, but it's still a downgrade for this season IMO.

 

I wouldn't call the D-Line the Achilles heel of the pats' date=' it's their strength on D....behind them are questions.[/quote']

 

I'd agree, if Seymour was still there. Their strength got incredibly weaker in a season they're trying to make a SB run.

 

On the surface this looks great long term and bad for this year. It's hard to imagine the pats D being better/as good without Seymore. He is said to want about $9mil per season and the pats aren't going to give him that so why not sacrifice one year without him for a great return.

 

There won't be a huge drop-off with Jarvis Green stepping in, not to mention that the pats will base a 4-3 this year as opposed to a 3-4 like normal. (this is probably due to much more quality on the Dline than at LB) Mike Wright has played very well in the past...and Myron Pryer and Ron Brace have played very well through camp. I'm sure the pats figured the return was worth more than the drop off this year.

 

 

"IN BB WE TRUST"

 

This is a team turning over half its defensive unit already, and now they're losing one of their two or three best defensive players....long term it's great, short term this could really hurt the Pats.

[mtbykr]

This is a team turning over half its defensive unit already, and now they're losing one of their two or three best defensive players....long term it's great, short term this could really hurt the Pats.

 

 

No argument here. I hope the drop-off isn't so bad, but again it's tough to see them better/as good without Seymore.

 

The pats this off-season have now lost their best D-Lineman (arguably) in Seymore, their most experienced LB's in Vrabel and Bruschi (although Bruschi should be good on ESPN), and their most experienced safety in Harrison. While they are def more athletic now, it's hard to see them better. The pats needed to get younger, but this is a lot at once. They are faster and more athletic now, but time will tell if they have the guys that can do all the little things the vets did that made them successful.

[jacksonianmarch]

I think this is a good deal for the franchise overall, but a tough deal to swallow for a team with SB aspirations in 2009.

[BSN07]

I like the move for many of the reasons stated above. A 1st round pick for him at this point is beautiful. He is a one year rental on a horrible team.

 

It's like if the Nationals had traded for Matt Holliday or something.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

I also keep hearing "they got something for someone they weren't going to get anything from anyway"' date=' completely neglecting that Seymour would have given them one more season of very high caliber football.[/quote']

 

Better to trade him too early than too late.

[rhet]

What are the chances Seymour will just go without trying to f*** with the Pats?

I think one of the reasons they traded him was because he's a pain in the ass.

[mtbykr]

Interesting tweet from Schefter:

 

 

Adam_Schefter: At this time, Seymour's options are to report to Oakland or to sit out. Sounds like New England is out of this, with Oak's 2011 1st rd pick.

[TheKilo]

Better to trade him too early than too late.

 

I don't disagree, but you have to consider if trading him this year while hurting their SB chances is worth it.

 

Pretty much everyone I've listened to says that even though the Pats got the 1st, they are worse than they were Saturday night.

 

That alone is enough to question the move, IMO.

[BSN07]

I don't disagree, but you have to consider if trading him this year while hurting their SB chances is worth it.

 

Pretty much everyone I've listened to says that even though the Pats got the 1st, they are worse than they were Saturday night.

 

That alone is enough to question the move, IMO.

 

I know it is risky. But I believe the Pats have a player or combo of players that will be able to give them the same production the RS could have given the this season or close to it. There's probably no way the sign him at the end of the year anyways. All the would have got was some compensation picks. Which are like what 3 round or higher?

 

I think Wilfork is the more important of the two. Now they should be able to re-sign him. If they don't, I would really question the move more.