Drew, Worth it? or not?

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Maybe five years ago. Not today.

The underrating of OBP has been so promoted that OBP is now overrated.

OBP is a measure of how often you don't make outs. How is not making outs a bad thing, and how could it possibly be overrated?

[The_Destroyah]

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agreed.

[rhet]

Folks, the object of the game is to score runs.

Working a walk with RISP - while certainly not a bad thing and certainly better than making an out - does not usually score a run, which, as mentioned above, is the object of the game. That walk leaves it up to someone else to try to drive the run in.

 

OTOH, getting a hit with RISP usually produces runs. But when your BA with RISP is .045 lower than it is otherwise, as Drew's has been the last three years, you are not carrying your weight. That's my opinion.

 

Now, it appears I'm not convincing the Drew supporters here. I don't have any other evidence to offer, nor is it needed. So let's just agree to disagree on this.

[Mr Crunchy]

Drews obp#s are impressive but I think he'd be doing himself and the team a favor by being more aggressive at the plate. Walks are nice but we need some doubles,some rbi and some taters from the guy whos supposed to be a legit 5 hitter, his 12hrs 43rbi and .250 avg aint getting it done from the 5 hole. the .350 obp is good but the .440 slugging isnt good enough for what we expected.

At least hes been on the field 95 games and looks like a lock to make 100 which in itself is a f***ing bonus and reason enuff for the Drew Fan Club to jerk each other off.

This guy is an enigma and I think you could f*** his wife in the ass with your forearm on her throat and he wouldnt show any emotion.

[TheKilo]

This poll asks two separate questions.

 

Is he worth his contract? Probably not. But he's not as far off as some of the mouth breathing Sox fans would have you believe.

 

Is he the problem on this team? He's not having a fantastic offensive season, but a 107 OPS+ with his defense in RF at Fenway has a lot of value.

 

I'll say it again, the main problems with this team are the back end of the rotation and David Ortiz. Not much else.

 

Thread should probably have ended here

[SoxSport]

How many walks does Drew have? I haven't checked the stats, but I bet he has more than Ellsbury.

They should give Ellsbury a bonus for every walk he gets. He does not walk enough leading off.

[BoSox21]

They should give Ellsbury a bonus for every walk he gets. He does not walk enough leading off.

 

He doesn't see enough pitches which aren't strikes when he leads off cause he's the one guy opposing pitchers want to keep off the bases

[SoxSport]

Ellsbury--30 walks, Drew--61 walks.

 

The leadoff guy should walk more. I know--I was a leadoff guy many moons ago. Ellsbury needs to work the count better.

[Dipre]

Ellsbury--30 walks, Drew--61 walks.

 

The leadoff guy should walk more. I know--I was a leadoff guy many moons ago. Ellsbury needs to work the count better.

 

That's difficult to do if the pitcher's coming right at you in the zone.

 

It takes time for a hitter to develop the ability to look for the walk when overmatched.

 

Ells might get there though.

[BoSox21]

Ellsbury--30 walks, Drew--61 walks.

 

The leadoff guy should walk more. I know--I was a leadoff guy many moons ago. Ellsbury needs to work the count better.

 

and how often was Drew walking when he was in the leadoff spot?

[The_Destroyah]

Ellsbury--30 walks, Drew--61 walks.

 

The leadoff guy should walk more. I know--I was a leadoff guy many moons ago. Ellsbury needs to work the count better.

 

a leadoff guy really needs to foul off a bunch of pitches too and that leads to walks and Ells is young and starting to grasp the concept rather well you dont start walking overnight especially if you have little power and are a threat on the base paths.

[SoxSport]

I think Ellsbury's OBP is .348 . That isn't good enough for a leadoff guy. If he walked more, he'd be up around .380.

 

Theriot just fouled off 6 pitches in a row against Pedro. That's hard to do. Wonder what the record is.

[The_Destroyah]

I think Ellsbury's OBP is .348 . That isn't good enough for a leadoff guy. If he walked more, he'd be up around .380.

 

Theriot just fouled off 6 pitches in a row against Pedro. That's hard to do. Wonder what the record is.

 

Ells as of late has really started to get on base and play well hes had some nice ABs and I think he will warm up to that as the season goes on and next year, and comparing Ells' OBP and BBs to Drew's is unfair because of lineup positions, power threats, their threat levels on the basepaths, and experience, its apples and oranges my friend.

[Tripleplay]

Even as the new guy .... never doubt Ellsbury. There should be more players like him and you need to appreciate more what you have.

 

Form temporary, class permanent.

[TheKilo]

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2009/08/drew_out_until.html

 

"I said, 'Look at the the scorecard. You have to,' " Francona said. "We already put a pitcher into run. That's all we got to do, put somebody out in [expletive] right. It would have been like a circus."

 

Are you f***ing serious?

[Dipre]

Francona does not know Anderson well, but he has always followed his career. Anderson, like Francona, played for the University of Arizona. "He's got some juice in his bat," Francona said.

 

Then where the f*** is it?

[Dojji]

In AAA. He always leaves it in AAA.

[jsc1973]

Drew's not a problem. He's frustrating because he doesn't perform to the level you would expect from a $14 million player, but there's a difference between frustrating and bad. He does contribute in a positive manner.

 

A player is a problem when he is causing you to lose games. Like a number of our shortstops since 2004.

[Mr Crunchy]

Him and his 45 rbi are a huge disappointment, who wouldve figured if this guy stayed healthy he'd still be considered a f***ing douchebag? Put him im the same bracket with DiceK and Matt Clement.

Limited success that prevents me from completely hating the guy but plenty of disappointment to make this another boner by Lord Theo.70/5 was a # that nobody else would ever approach and I still believe it was a gift from the sox to Scott Borass to get the inside track on Matsusaka..

Theres a reason hes played on so many teams in his relatively short career.

[Mr Crunchy]

Since we traded Nomar and brought Cabrerra in we have down graded the position every single year since and have paid some huge #s, 1 year of Renteria cost us essentially 19M after we paid his salary for eternity, he hit.270 with 30+ errors...

Congratulations Edgar, you're at the head of Theo's shortstop class.

We went into the season knowing it was Lowrie and Lugo, we knew already that Lugo sucked and Lowrie was a future platoon player and we did nothing about improving that spot other than bringing in Nick Green....Great effort by the front office on this slot.

[BSN07]

I will have to admit. This FO has many failings during the FA period. But they have done pretty well in trades and drafting.

 

 

Maybe this will make Theo aggressive this off season. IMO JJ Hardy is the starting SS come 2010. It just seems like too good of a fit. And with his off year his price tag won't be near as much as last off season might have been. A change of scenery and Fenway park could really boost this guy offensively. He would probably be the best defensive option as well. Hell I would take .250 and 25 HR out of the SS position. I think that is a reasonable to low expectation of what Hardy could possibly do.

[TheKilo]

Him and his 45 rbi are a huge disappointment, who wouldve figured if this guy stayed healthy he'd still be considered a f***ing douchebag? Put him im the same bracket with DiceK and Matt Clement.

Limited success that prevents me from completely hating the guy but plenty of disappointment to make this another boner by Lord Theo.70/5 was a # that nobody else would ever approach and I still believe it was a gift from the sox to Scott Borass to get the inside track on Matsusaka..

Theres a reason hes played on so many teams in his relatively short career.

 

I don't agree with this post 100%, but I will say that it is getting increasingly more difficult to defend him.

 

He could be a real problem next year and the year after.

[SoxSport]

Don't get me wrong. I like Ellsbury, but he obviously has to walk more to get that OBP up, which isn't adequate for a leadoff batter. His agent is Boras, and you know Boras will have Ellsbury as the 2nd coming of Ricky Henderson contract time--which he isn't. That will be a ticket to NY.

 

I like Drew, too. He's had a few big hits in Boston. He can play--when he can play. There's the rub.He's overpaid, to be sure, because his agent is you-know-who.

[SoxSport]

In AAA. He always leaves it in AAA.

 

I saw Anderson lead off and play CF in Pawtucket a couple of games a few weeks ago.

He looked pretty good. Lanky guy, hit a game leadoff HR, almost made a great catch.

Think he stole a base. was hitting .296, OPS .840, OBP .321 Another guy who needs to walk more if he wants to bat leadoff.

 

Pawtucket looks like such a lousy team right now--it's no wonder Smoltz didn't want to go down there. LOL.

[CrespoBlows]

If Jacoby Ellsbury played in Oakland, then he would be regarded as the average outfielder he really is.

 

Ryan Kalish is going to push him out of CF by 2011.

[SoxSport]

I will have to admit. This FO has many failings during the FA period. But they have done pretty well in trades and drafting.

 

 

Like I said somewhere else, they do great things and they do bad things. One thing they should do is not get rid of players prematurely. Especially SSs. Renteria should have been given more time to adjust. And Lugo was released too soon, before they were sure about Lowrie's soundness. I hope they didn't make the same mistake with Smoltz. Another Sox castoff doing well in St Louis is Pineiro. Duncan is a great pitching coach. Wonder what he will do with Smoltz.

[CrespoBlows]

Him and his 45 rbi are a huge disappointment, who wouldve figured if this guy stayed healthy he'd still be considered a f***ing douchebag? Put him im the same bracket with DiceK and Matt Clement.

Limited success that prevents me from completely hating the guy but plenty of disappointment to make this another boner by Lord Theo.70/5 was a # that nobody else would ever approach and I still believe it was a gift from the sox to Scott Borass to get the inside track on Matsusaka..

Theres a reason hes played on so many teams in his relatively short career.

 

Unlike the two aforementioned busts, JD Drew actually has been a positive for the Red Sox this year. Although, he is not hitting as much as we expect him too, he's still getting on base at a .371 clip, and he's playing well above average defense in RF.

 

Certaintly not worth $14 million, but he doesn't deserve the pariah status that Clement and Lugo deserve.