Red Sox actively pursuing Adrian Gonzalez

[yankeessuck013]

Exactly' date=' which is why he wont be traded.....why take anything less for a superstar, 27 years old making 4M through 2011. Crazy is taking anything less.[/quote']

 

Does everyone think the return for the Pads should be greater than the return Tex got the Rangers two years ago?

 

The 6-8 players you listed I have to believe wouldn't be just for Adrian Gonzalez, as the Padres could plug in a major league player like third baseman Kevin Kouzmanoff plus a bullpen arm like Luke Gregerson or a young outfielder like Drew Macias also.

[example1]

*shrug* Fine' date=' but Adrian Gonzalez [b']will[/b] finish the season a San Diego Padre. He's too good and too cheap for there to be any likelihood that Theo will meet Towers' asking price.

 

And if you'll notice, no one has even suggested that Towers is remotely receptive to this, just that Theo is pursuing it.

 

I grant you all of your points Dojji. I agree that Theo is traditionally very conservative with his prospects and espouses that philosophy at every turn.

 

That said, let's project forward a bit here.

 

Who are they likely to get in the next few years that will be that impact bat? I assume that they need to find that bat and sign Jason Bay if they want to remain competitive with the Yankees and Rays the next few years. If they get those guys and retain the core of their pitching staff they will be dominant. But they need another bat, not just for this year but for the forseeable future.

 

I think it would be valid to ask how good Gonzalez is. He's been a .370 OBP/.500 SLG type player (this year .390/.520), which compares poorly to a bat like Youkilis, but at 27 he's comparable to Youkilis in 2006.

 

At 27, in 2006 Youk went .381/.429; in 2007 he went .390/.453. I'm not sure their career paths are the same, but his power is already there. So how much would a team pay for that type of impact bat?

 

What if they didn't see any of those players available on the market?

 

I'm not saying they'll do it, but I'm not at all shocked if they do. I think their farm would be okay afterward too.

[Rdsxmbnt]

I would never trade that amount of talent for a 1B

[SCM33]

No. There is no gun to his head, he has 2.5 years to listen to offers. He laughs and declines.

 

This is really ridiculous, why does he have to make a deal? He doesnt, your being unrealistic. THEY ARE IN NO RUSH TO MAKE A DEAL TIL 2011!!!!!

 

Again, why do they have to make a deal? They dont.

 

We are the ones who are desperate and he knows it, they will want to world, anything less wont get it done.

 

We are the ones who need the bat, at the end of the day, we are desperate and they dont have to make a decision on him for another 2.5 years.......if we dont blow him away with a big package, no way it happens. 3-4 prospects, 1 of which in single-A doesnt get it done.

[yankeessuck013]

So you keep 1 guy with no other protection around him in the lineup and on a team that will not contend for years and decline a potential ace, 1B who projects to be a Justin Morneau type, and another OF with some power potential as well. That is the perfect recipe for a rebuliding team. The Pads want young pitching and they know the Red Sox have it.

 

If it takes 3-4 prospects to get Halladay, the same can be said for Gonzo. It will not take 8 players. That is ridiculous.

[Dipre]

I grant you all of your points Dojji. I agree that Theo is traditionally very conservative with his prospects and espouses that philosophy at every turn.

 

That said, let's project forward a bit here.

 

Who are they likely to get in the next few years that will be that impact bat? I assume that they need to find that bat and sign Jason Bay if they want to remain competitive with the Yankees and Rays the next few years. If they get those guys and retain the core of their pitching staff they will be dominant. But they need another bat, not just for this year but for the forseeable future.

 

I think it would be valid to ask how good Gonzalez is. He's been a .370 OBP/.500 SLG type player (this year .390/.520), which compares poorly to a bat like Youkilis, but at 27 he's comparable to Youkilis in 2006.

 

At 27, in 2006 Youk went .381/.429; in 2007 he went .390/.453. I'm not sure their career paths are the same, but his power is already there. So how much would a team pay for that type of impact bat?

 

What if they didn't see any of those players available on the market?

 

I'm not saying they'll do it, but I'm not at all shocked if they do. I think their farm would be okay afterward too.

 

He plays in San Diego, sir.

 

Let's take a look at Gonzo's home/road splits:

 

He has a career .798 OPS at home, but a .902 OPS on the road.

 

Put that little figure in your head.

 

Only elite hitters put up .900+ OPS's outside of their home fields, put the guy in a hitter's haven like Fenway, and we're talking near 1.000 OPS.

[Dipre]

So you keep 1 guy with no other protection around him in the lineup and on a team that will not contend for years and decline a potential ace, 1B who projects to be a Justin Morneau type, and another OF with some power potential as well. That is the perfect recipe for a rebuliding team. The Pads want young pitching and they know the Red Sox have it.

 

If it takes 3-4 prospects to get Halladay, the same can be said for Gonzo. It will not take 8 players. That is ridiculous.

 

THANK YOU.

[Spudboy]

Look at it this way' date=' I don't see Buchholz staying here in the long term because I do think he is a vaulable trading chip to acquire an impact bat that we desperately need in this lineup that can upgrade the Sox not only this year, but for several years to come (Ex. Hanley, Gonzo) which is another reason I don't see us trading for Doc.[/quote']

 

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[yankeessuck013]

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In a nutshell: Buchholz will be traded for an "impact bat"

[SCM33]

So you keep 1 guy with no other protection around him in the lineup and on a team that will not contend for years and decline a potential ace, 1B who projects to be a Justin Morneau type, and another OF with some power potential as well. That is the perfect recipe for a rebuliding team. The Pads want young pitching and they know the Red Sox have it.

 

If it takes 3-4 prospects to get Halladay, the same can be said for Gonzo. It will not take 8 players. That is ridiculous.

 

Why do the Padres have to make the deal?

 

Someone just please answer that question........This defies logic, this is ridiculous, WHY DO THEY HAVE TO MAKE THE DEAL??????????

 

You just want him, so we as fans think our little s***** internet offers are good enough.

 

Lars Anderson....projects to be a Morneau type???????? Yeah on SOXPROSPECTS, a website created by REDSOX fans (btw, Morneau outperformed Anderson SIGNIFICANTLY at the same age)

[Dipre]

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He means Buch will be used as trade bait for a bat, not for Halladay.

[Rdsxmbnt]

I like Gonzalez and all but really strong 1B hitters are a dime a dozen. I'd say there are at least 6-7 1B that I'd take over him now AND going forward yet people want to completely drain the farm for him? Buchholz, Anderson, Reddick, and more??? That's our two best hitting prospects and an exceptional pitching prospect for a first baseman. Hell no

[Dipre]

Why do the Padres have to make the deal?

 

Someone just please answer that question........This defies logic, this is ridiculous, WHY DO THEY HAVE TO MAKE THE DEAL??????????

 

You just want him, so we as fans think our little s***** internet offers are good enough.

 

Lars Anderson....projects to be a Morneau type???????? Yeah on SOXPROSPECTS, a website created by REDSOX fans (btw, Morneau outperformed Anderson SIGNIFICANTLY at the same age)

 

Because it's a good package.

 

Answer me this.

 

If you're Kevin Towers, why would you refuse this deal?

 

You're getting two A+ prospects, a B+ prospect, and a catcher with upside.

 

If you think they're going to get more than that out of Gonzales you're borderline crazy man.

[SCM33]

Because it's a good package.

 

Answer me this.

 

If you're Kevin Towers, why would you refuse this deal?

 

You're getting two A+ prospects, a B+ prospect, and a catcher with upside.

 

If you think they're going to get more than that out of Gonzales you're borderline crazy man.

 

If Im Towers, I say....he is my ONLY moneymaker, he is the ONLY reason people come to the park....and I am in no rush to deal with my best player making only 4M dollars.

 

Dipre, those are YOUR rankings, not his...those are Soxprospects rankings, not his.

 

I AM NOT SAYING THEY ARE GOING TO GET THAT, I am saying that there will be no deal, because they will want a lot more than we will part with.

[Dipre]

If Im Towers, I say....he is my ONLY moneymaker, he is the ONLY reason people come to the park....and I am in no rush to deal with my best player making only 4M dollars.

 

Dipre, those are YOUR rankings, not his...those are Soxprospects rankings, not his.

 

I AM NOT SAYING THEY ARE GOING TO GET THAT, I am saying that there will be no deal, because they will want a lot more than we will part with.

 

We're strictly talking hypotheticals here.

 

And just so you know:

 

Buch, Anderson and Reddick are all top 100 prospects according to BA, and those grades are according to the place on their rankings.

 

If the Sox offer that package to San Diego, they will take it within 5 seconds.

 

It't not about making money only, that franchise needs rebuilding and the ownership knows it.

[yankeessuck013]

Why do the Padres have to make the deal?

 

Someone just please answer that question........This defies logic, this is ridiculous, WHY DO THEY HAVE TO MAKE THE DEAL??????????

 

You just want him, so we as fans think our little s***** internet offers are good enough.

 

Lars Anderson....projects to be a Morneau type???????? Yeah on SOXPROSPECTS, a website created by REDSOX fans (btw, Morneau outperformed Anderson SIGNIFICANTLY at the same age)

 

No one has to make any deal, did we HAVE to DFA Lugo? No ... but it was common sense. Common sense now tells you that by the time the Pads contend Gonzo will be in his mid 30s.

 

The Padres need to trade for high upside pitching. They should trade for as much pitching as they can, ala the Florida Marlins. What team has a surplus of young pitching, more than any team in the ML? The Red Sox ... and it just so happens we could use a corner infielder and an impact bat with Lowell's hip problems. Buchholz, Masterson, Lars, Reddick/Kalish ... offer that now.

 

The Padres won't have another winning team for AT LEAST 5 years, so it doesn't make sense to keep Gonzo on a team that won't win for half a decade. The longer you wait, the more his value goes down, and the less you would get in return because of the team's control over him and a contract extension.

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http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view.bg?articleid=1186587&format=text

 

"If another move gets made, it will be something that can upgrade the Sox not only this year, but for several seasons to come. One baseball source said the Sox have been very aggressive in attempting to deal for San Diego first baseman Adrian Gonzalez, but have been rebuffed."

 

Again, they want the world for him.

[yankeessuck013]

If Im Towers, I say....he is my ONLY moneymaker, he is the ONLY reason people come to the park....and I am in no rush to deal with my best player making only 4M dollars.

 

He is also their BEST trading chip on a team that needs to rebuild.

 

As Peter Gammons said, "Considering Boston's young pitching and the Padres' lack of it . . . a multi-prospect deal for Adrian Gonzalez makes sense for both teams. The Padres' ownership is worried about the public perception if the team traded away Gonzalez. Fans? What fans?"

[Dipre]

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view.bg?articleid=1186587&format=text

 

"If another move gets made, it will be something that can upgrade the Sox not only this year, but for several seasons to come. One baseball source said the Sox have been very aggressive in attempting to deal for San Diego first baseman Adrian Gonzalez, but have been rebuffed."

 

Again, they want the world for him.

 

And they'll get a good package for him.

 

But he will be traded.

 

Either this year or next, but mark my words, in 2011, Gonzo will not be a Padre.

[SCM33]

Look, I want him just as much as everyone else.

 

Hes not going anywhere unless they blow his doors off. The offer I said no way to was a SP, an OF, a 1B and a single A catcher. If they need pitching why would they take Buchholz only?

[SCM33]

And they'll get a good package for him.

 

But he will be traded.

 

Either this year or next, but mark my words, in 2011, Gonzo will not be a Padre.

 

Thats fine, but he wont be a RedSox either. You dont think they approached the Padres before they dealt for Laroche?

[Dipre]

Thats fine' date=' but he wont be a RedSox either. You dont think they approached the Padres before they dealt for Laroche?[/quote']

 

Sure, but LaRoche is a bench bat, remember?

 

And let me tell you this.

 

The Padres farm is much thinner at the IF and OF corners than it is of SPs.

[SCM33]

Sure, but LaRoche is a bench bat, remember?

 

And let me tell you this.

 

The Padres farm is much thinner at the IF and OF corners than it is of SPs.

 

Alright, Im done with this tonight.

 

You think he will be here, I say there is no way, hell I think theres no way he gets traded period.

 

Well find out.

[Gom]

I think a lot of you guys are missing, or not understanding how good a value, Gonzalez really is.

 

A team trading for him will pay the rest of this year's salary [he's making $3 million], and he has a salary of $4.75M next year and a $5.5M club option (no buyout) which will ABSOLUTELY be picked up. So you get 2 1/2 seasons of one of the top first basemen in the game for a grand total for about 11 million. That's absurd.

 

For this reason, he would cost a KINGS ransom. Not only are you getting a Gold Glover, a great contact hitter, a great power hitter...but you're paying him peanuts [relatively speaking]. So say goodbye to your top 2-3 prospects, in addition to major league caliber talent.

 

This is not about the Red Sox, but if I was the SD GM, this is what I'd ask for. You know what? I'd get it, too. If they made Gonzalez available, expect a bidding war between the Angels, Red Sox, Atlanta, and possibly the Dodgers. This isn't a Halladay deal where you're probably going to have to give him a contract extension to ok the deal [like Johan]. I'd say the Angels and Red Sox would be the favorites, but the Angels probably have the arms the Padres would like more. If you're thinking you can get him without pain..think again.

 

Also, stop all this ******** about MDC and Bard and all these other 1-2 inning relievers. No one is going to trade a cornerstone for a reliever. They are too volatile. When was the last time a major deal went down that involved relievers? Are you f***ing kidding me? I'd want STARTING PITCHERS AND POSITION PLAYERS. Not relievers. No sane GM would either. The only teams that are going to trade for relievers will be teams going for it, not rebuilding, or if they think they can convert the reliever into a starter. Get with the program.

[SCM33]

GOM, thats the point I was trying to make (ugh, makes me cringe to agree with a rival).

 

I want Gonzalez, he numbers make me giggle, every sox fan wants Gonzalez...but they will want a whole helluva lot.

[Spudboy]

He means Buch will be used as trade bait for a bat' date=' not for Halladay.[/quote']

 

I'm glad someone who speaks English as a second language understood.

 

Thank you sir.

[Gom]

GOM, thats the point I was trying to make (ugh, makes me cringe to agree with a rival).

 

I want Gonzalez, he numbers make me giggle, every sox fan wants Gonzalez...but they will want a whole helluva lot.

 

Logic transcends fandom, buddy. I agree in principle with many posters here, and they are Red Sox fans.

 

It's tough for many fans to sometimes see the other side. I, with my superior wisdom and intellect [and citizenship, just to irk Dipre], do not suffer this malady.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

If I'm Theo, I tell Towers to f*** himself at any mention of Buchholz. I'd much rather swap out Buchholz for Bowden, and add two additional prospects in the deal for Gonzalez. If that gets it done, fantastic. If it doesn't, we'll live. Clay is going to be a damn good pitcher, and IMO should be off-limits unless the return package brings a damn good pitcher (Halladay).

 

Buchholz/Anderson/Reddick/Expo = overpaying

 

Anderson/Bowden/Reddick/Kalish/another, lesser SP not named Buchholz (or another position player of equal value) = still pricey, but more favorable

 

I think a lot of these posts suggesting we put our entire system on the table and tell San Diego to pick whoever and however many they want are just the product of annual 'this is the year and we're letting it slip away' delusion in RSN. Along with the whole sputtering offense thing. Is the offense really bad enough, WHEN IT ISN'T IN SCUFFLE MODE, to where we need to let Towers beat us like a farm animal just to salvage it for this season?

[jacksonianmarch]

Theo doesnt overpay and a blockbuster like this at the deadline is a setup for being taken advantage of. I doubt this happens this yr. I expect Gonzalez to be a hot topic this offseason and be dealt within the next 18 months, but I highly doubt he's dealt this deadline

[BSN07]

I don't see Buchholz as part of the deal. The Sox FO knows they have a spot opening up in the rotation after this season. I'm sure the plan is to have him fill one. The fact the Sox won't include Buchholz is probably why they are being "rebuffed".

 

 

They could offer something along the lines of,

 

Bowden/Reddick/Anderson/Navarro(Tejada)/Bryan Price,( Kyle Weiland, Stolmy Pimentel, Stephen Fife)

 

Which is a solid package. Bowden probably would rank as the top pitching prospect on a lot of other teams systems. The Sox just happen to have Buchholz as well. So it's not not crazy to think a deal can be structured around Bowden.

 

The could always sub Hadagone for someone to sweeten the deal. SD would have to consider it at that point. Even with him coming off of TJ.