Kurt Warner: Hall of Famer?

[TheKilo]

Doesn't sound like a HoF to me...

[redsoxrules]

Doesn't sound like a HoF to me...

 

it was just 1 season ,every other season he has great numbers

 

also I never gave my opnion on the topic BUT IMO Warner is not HOF yet( close however) , IMO he needs another 2/3 more good season's witch im sure he'll do

[rician blast]

Must admit, if this thread was never created I'd have never thought of Warner as a HOF candidate, period. IMO he doesn't get in unless he puts up 2 or 3 more stellar seasons with a couple of deep post season runs.

[TheKilo]

If he wins in two weeks, can you really leave him out?

[BoSox21]

You can give a devil's advocate argument for every great player in history (Brady had Belicheck, Emmitt had an O-line), but those guys were consistently good for their entire careers. Warner has had 3 great seasons, 1 good season and the rest were average. I can't put a guy into the Hall for 3 great seasons cause then I might as well put Daunte Culpepper in

[rician blast]

Sure. Let's say he goes in the tank again next year and the year after and fizzles out. IMO, he's not got the overall credentials that qualify him for the HOF.

 

With that said, let me say that I rarely pay much attention to who is in any sports hall of fame and who isn't...just really doesn't matter much to me. With the criteria being relatively subjective, I'd prefer to value players in my own mind, based upon my own eyes and any other variables (STATS, ETC.) that I think are important. I think it is partiicularly difficult to fully measure NFL player's worth, given their performance is often so closely tied to their teammates and coaches.

[BoSox21]

every HOF is whored-out anyway

[redsoxrules]

If he wins in two weeks' date=' can you really leave him out?[/quote']

 

its not all about SB wins to get into the HOF

[rician blast]

every HOF is whored-out anyway

 

to some extent, yup, that's true.

 

IMO, I don't care what the f*ck Pete Rose bet on...he should be in the baseball HOF. It's not like he did something really egregious, like killing someone or having sex with Rosie O'Donnell.

[TheKilo]

its not all about SB wins to get into the HOF

 

Is there another 2-Time MVP, 2-Time All-Pro, 2-Time SB winner that isn't or won't make the HOF?

[rician blast]

Is there another 2-Time MVP' date=' 2-Time All-Pro, 2-Time SB winner that isn't or won't make the HOF?[/quote']

 

whether there is or isn't, the statement "it's not all about SB wins" is still appropriate.

[redsoxrules]

Is there another 2-Time MVP' date=' 2-Time All-Pro, 2-Time SB winner that isn't or won't make the HOF?[/quote']

 

ok .....

 

so let me ask you this, if a QB plays only 4 seasons ( suffers career ending injury) and has what you mentioned above he should be a HOF?

[BoSox21]

Is there another 2-Time MVP' date=' 2-Time All-Pro, 2-Time SB winner that isn't or won't make the HOF?[/quote']

 

All of Warner's HOF credentials occured in either 1999 or 2001. How could someone possibly be inducted into what is supposed to be the most exclusive club of great football players for two seasons?!

[rician blast]

Below is a lost of Modern Era Quarterbacks in the HOF:

 

Troy Aikman 1989-2000

George Blanda (Also PK) 1949-1958, 1960-1975

Terry Bradshaw 1970-1983

Len Dawson 1957-1975

John Elway 1983-1998

Dan Fouts 1973-1987

Otto Graham 1946-1955

Bob Griese 1967-1980

Sonny Jurgensen 1957-1974

Jim Kelly 1986-1996

Bobby Layne 1948-1962

Dan Marino 1983-1999 Joe Montana 1979-1994

Warren Moon 1984-2000

Joe Namath 1965-1977

Bart Starr 1956-1971

Roger Staubach 1969-1979

Fran Tarkenton 1961-1978

Y.A. Tittle 1948-1964

Johnny Unitas 1956-1973

Norm Van Brocklin 1949-1960

Bob Waterfield 1945-1952

Steve Young 1985-1999

 

At a glance of the list, Warner doesn't strike me as belonging with these guys, but I haven't looked real close to their stats and post-season success.

[See Red]

Well' date=' Peyton Manning also has the luxury of playing in a dome...[/quote']

 

I sincerely hope this isn't an attempt at making an argument for Kurt Warner...

 

The guy's played on some stacked offenses, and I'm sure you could look at most players and find some reason to discredit what they've done, but in Warner's case, it's impossible to ignore. In St. Louis he had two potential Hall of Fame WR's and a hall of fame RB, who happened to be the best the game has ever seen at catching the ball out of the backfield, and a coach who sincerely disliked running the ball.

 

He's had four hall of fame worthy years. Not enough, in my opinion.

[TheKilo]

ok .....

 

so let me ask you this, if a QB plays only 4 seasons ( suffers career ending injury) and has what you mentioned above he should be a HOF?

 

No, but Warner has played for 10+ years and only has two "bad" seasons.

 

While his AZ teams haven't been great the last three seasons, he still has a QB rating over over 89 in all three! His 1999 and 2001 were fantastic, but his 2007 and 2008 were also very, very good.

 

He was awful in 2002, and was pretty bad in 2005. Other than that, Kurt Wanrer has been at worst a slightly above average QB, and he's had some of the best single seasons ever.

 

He's taken two different franchises to the Super Bowl.

 

Another thing to consider - Canton doesn't house the "NFL" Hall of Fame - it's the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Can some of his prime years in the Arena League be considered?

[TheKilo]

I sincerely hope this isn't an attempt at making an argument for Kurt Warner...

 

The guy's played on some stacked offenses, and I'm sure you could look at most players and find some reason to discredit what they've done, but in Warner's case, it's impossible to ignore. In St. Louis he had two potential Hall of Fame WR's and a hall of fame RB, who happened to be the best the game has ever seen at catching the ball out of the backfield, and a coach who sincerely disliked running the ball.

 

He's had four hall of fame worthy years. Not enough, in my opinion.

 

I was responding the the claim that Warner is a "climate" QB.

 

And yes - Warner has been able to play with some great talent - but at the same time what has Isaac Bruce done since? Could Marshall Faulk do what he did in the run and passing game without Kurt Warner?

 

And why should Warner be knocked on the playcalling strategy? If he was bad at passing a football and was still called on so much to do it, why is he 4th all-time in QB rating?

[ORS]

Bruce hasn't done much since, but that's a bit unfair, because he was just as good or better before Warner was throwing him the ball. Holt has been just as good or better since. Faulk's first 2000+ yards from scrimmage year (of 4 straight) was his last in Indy.

[redsoxrules]

No, but Warner has played for 10+ years and only has two "bad" seasons.

 

While his AZ teams haven't been great the last three seasons, he still has a QB rating over over 89 in all three! His 1999 and 2001 were fantastic, but his 2007 and 2008 were also very, very good.

 

He was awful in 2002, and was pretty bad in 2005. Other than that, Kurt Wanrer has been at worst a slightly above average QB, and he's had some of the best single seasons ever.

 

He's taken two different franchises to the Super Bowl.

 

Another thing to consider - Canton doesn't house the "NFL" Hall of Fame - it's the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Can some of his prime years in the Arena League be considered?

 

warner has just starded 100 games as a QB. bassicaly he has played 6 full season , he's missed alot of games over the years

not enough IMO . thats why I said he needs another 2/3 season to be a HOF

[BoSox21]

If I'm judging a quarterback for the HOF, I'm looking at how many good to great seasons he had, not giving him credit for seasons that were slightly above average

 

And yea, while it isn't the NFL HOF, it may as well be. If it truly was the Pro Football HOF, Doug Flutie would be shoe-in

[rician blast]

No, but Warner has played for 10+ years and only has two "bad" seasons.

 

Warner's Games started by year:

 

1998 1

1999 16

2000 11

2001 16

2002 6

2003 1

2004 9

2005 10

2006 5

2007 11

2008 16

 

Let's exclude 1998 when he had yet to make a name for himself. In the 10 years from 1999-2008 he started 101 games...that's and average of 10 games per season.

 

10 games per season over 10 years? A HOF QB who has started only 63% of the games played by his team throughout his career?

 

I agree with those here who say he needs a SB win AND 2-3 very impressive years (even if it's more or less padding his stats) before he gets considered for Canton.

[The Real Boss]

So how do you explain Moss's tenure in Oakland?

 

terrible point.

[TheKilo]

terrible point.

 

Let the grownups talk kthx

[redsoxrules]

lol