Cashman leaves Gom with nothing to bitch about

[jacksonianmarch]

A 3rd place finish' date=' a terrible evaluation of his players, and not signing two of their top three picks in the draft. Oh..that's right. He signed one of them.[/quote']

 

Terrible evaluation of his players. Yeah. Hmm. So he had to have known that his all star catcher and all star OFer were going to be rendered useless. He had to have known that CMW would break his foot rounding 3rd base and be lost for the stretch run. The only thing you can bag on him for is leaving us open by slating 2 rookies into the original starting rotation. And then getting on him for not signing the draft picks. Gom, you have no understanding of what went on. In terms of Cole, he gave every indication that money was the deciding factor and then he turned the yankees away WITHOUT EVEN HEARING AN OFFER. How is that Cashman's fault? If Cash wouldnt ante up, then I understand your frustration. But he didnt even hear an offer. In terms of Bittle, his shoulder was damaged and the yankees chose to recoup the pick. You are bitching about their lack of signing their draft picks, when they get them back as compensation picks this yr. Whats the big deal?

 

....and he didn't sell them when their value was at their highest. He could have had Santana for Hughes, he could have traded Kennedy for Fuentes. Those two moves alone would have most likely put us in the playoffs.

 

value rises and falls all the time. If you commit to developing talent you need to ride with the player through the highs and the lows. Only bandwagoners will drop you when you fail initially. How's the wagon these days?

 

Not in the same rotation.

We lost a season for no reason.

 

Cashman made a decision. Either deal away 4 prospects, 2 of whom were slated to be big contributors to the 08 team for an ace, 28 yr old left handed pitcher. Instead, he chose to wait a yr and sign an ace, 28 yr old left handed pitcher while keeping those prospects. The best prospect used to get Swisher would have gone to Minnesota (Marquez). So in essence, by him waiting, we got Swisher and CC while keeping Hughes. Plus, anyone who watched this team last yr could tell that it was too hurt to make it. The offense was absolutely horrible without a functional Matsui or Posada. And the downgrade from Posada to Molina offensively may have been the biggest blow. We cannot afford a redux of that problem. Hopefully we dont need to with Cervelli on the 40 man in case Posada cannot catch.

 

It is a GM's job to make sure injuries don't hurt the team.

 

Quite possibly the single most retarded statement ever made on talksox. It is the GMs job to build depth. But it is ridiculous to say it is all his fault. So name any other team, including the sox, who could lose 2 all star offensive talents and their ace for the last half of the season and make the playoffs. We nearly did.

 

Johan pitched 234.1 IP last year, and was the Cy Young winner last year in my opinion, if not for the putrid Mets bullpen. That's 230+ IP of Johan instead of Ponson, Rasner, Kennedy, Hughes, et al. That alone was worth 7 or 8 games in the standings.

 

Johan would have been an upgrade. I dont disagree there. But I think that with our offensive woes due to injuries would have left us out of the playoffs with or without Johan

 

He built the team. I am not convinced Holliday is an elite hitter. His splits away from Coors are pedestrian, and let's see how he does in the AL with the A's. I would be surprised if Holliday isn't traded at the deadline, knowing Beane's penchant for selling at the deadline. The team that gets him will probably not make the deal unless he signs for an extension. I'd say there's a 50/50 shot he never sees free agency.

 

I think Holliday is in the perfect situation for us. He goes from the ultimate hitters park to a good pitchers park. If he hits well, then we should throw gobs of money at him. He fits the MO. Top 10 player in the game, and young.

 

WTF? Isn't this what I've been saying all along? The minors should supplement the major league staff...be it by call ups or trades? What Cashman tried to do was depend on THREE rookies in the rotation. This was so blatantly obvious that it would fail, I'm surprised he kept his job.

 

And what I am trying to say is that he didnt have much else to turn to. He either gave up on the farm system altogether to get Johan or tried to prove to the masses that the kids were ready. He did make a mistake. But you are blowing his mistake way out of proportion here. If Posada, Matsui and Wang put up full seasons, then this team rolls to the playoffs

 

Now...I'll give him credit, but what he did took minimal skill this off-season. The only move that took some skill was Swisher. Why? I didn't see it. If I can see it, as a layman baseball fan, then it takes zero skill. Go back and look at my post about what the Yankees should do. I am nearly dead on with my predictions and salaries. Either I'm a genius, or it's an obvious call. I'll go with the obvious call, even though I am a genius.

 

I did not disagree with you, but when you try to say that a guy is terrible while in the same breath saying that he did everything you wanted, do you kinda think you might be making fun of yourself in a roundabout way? And if so, how could you bash him when he followed your wishes to a T? I think the plan all along was to get to this offseason. The pitching and offense this offseason is just absurd. Power pitching, power hitting, impact young talents, impact older consistent talents, young guys worth a chance, injured guys worth a chance. This offseason has been considered the best in a decade and it didnt disappoint. Now that it is here, I cannot disagree with the plan, if it was to get the players we signed while building with youth.

 

 

He miscalculated nearly everything last year and it blew up in his face, and sadly, didn't cost him his job. If anyone was the new GM, they would have done the exact same thing, throw millions of dollars at big time free agents, get the Yankees back to the post-season, and take all the credit, while Cashman fades into obscurity. He knew this [about the only call he got right last year] and decided to stay on board after Hank pussied out and didn't fire him.

 

I think I have already covered this. You just continue to babble on. Figures.

 

quote]I don't believe in the hype that you readily buy into. Let me give you an example. Here's a scouts report on the AFL for the Yankees, from Rotoworld.

 

On Phil Hughes: So he had average stats pitching against the worst teams in the AFL, and is not the fireballer or ace he was touted. A #3 pitcher for most teams would be lucky to crack the top five in New York. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't even achieve that status. If he doesn't come with that 95 MPH fastball that he was advertised with and is more like 90-92, he's going to be best remembered as the guy who wasn't traded for Santana...forever.

 

Hughes was hitting 94 in his final start in the AFL. I do agree that his FB has lost some velocity, but he also picked up a cutter and 2 seamer out in the AFL, so he might not be throwing his 4 seamer all that much while trying to get some run on his pitches.

 

Austin Jackson: He had a .679 OPS in the AFL. Now, I wouldn't call him a bust, but he's nowhere near as close as you think. From what we've seen so far, to pencil him in as our CF in 2010 is pure folly.

 

Sadly you dont understand player development. Actually, you dont understand much. Not surprised. Jackson is an elite talent. He has all the tools. He's developed plate discipline. He has power, speed, quickness, everything you could want. One thing he is, is streaky. And he proved that ever since he caught fire 2 yrs ago. His struggles in the AFL dont surprise me. He's not a fast starter.

 

Juan Miranda: If this guy is 25, then Jessica Biel is sitting on my lap while I'm typing this. It looks like we may have a Shelly Duncan clone, but just from the other side of the plate.

 

Once again, you dont have any idea who these players are. Miranda has better discipline and more opposite field power. He's a much more polished hitter than Duncan ever will be. That being said, he's an absolute butcher at 1b, but should carve out a nice career in the 1b/dh role. I would not be surprised to see him get 200AB or so in the bigs this yr

 

Humberto Sanchez: Doesn't sound like much here.

 

95mph fastball with a plus curve out of the pen. Not much, nah. Not at all. Especially since you are judging a yr after TJ surgery. Dumbass

 

Now...this is one scout's assessment. I understand this. However, Cashman has to do a better job in drafting/trading/evaluating his players. Throwing money at players is one way to do things, but if that's all he's good at...why not get someone who can also sign and develop them?

 

You use the caveat of one scout's assessment then you use it to make a bash on Cashman. You are hopeless and biased.

 

 

The way I see it, this off-season bought him some time and erased a lot of his mistakes. If we're back in the same boat in 3 years, he's got to go.

 

It bought him time, I agree. But I also think he was looking toward this time to see some ill offered contracts expire to get new, younger blood into the organization. If our farm system didnt deliver immediately, which hardly any farms do, then we were gonna make the splash in the market. And we did.

 

I think the Red Sox botched things with Tex, but it would be a nice off-season if we could do nothing like the Sox have and still be ok. The Red Sox WANTED to do something, but we NEEDED to.

 

Now...you act like the giddy child at Christmas. Settle down. Expecting 1 or 2 impact players per season from the minors is unreasonable. 1 impact player every 2 or 3 years is more likely.

 

I am not asking for all stars. I am asking for players that can fill the void adequately while gaining experience. And with the way our farm is developing, I think we can get there. We just arent ready yet on the position player side of the ball for 09

 

I have this discussion with Yankee fans a lot. The guy has dynamite stuff. No question. However, his temperment and maturity [nearly killing Youkilis and his DWI incident] when coupled with his injury history, make him a very big question mark for this team. Be careful of counting on too much from this guy. He's much more likely to throw 90 innings than 200.

 

He's a rookie, he is obviously a question mark. Why do you think we are locking up the rotation with studs and leaving the 5 slot to him? So we can baby him into reaching his IP limit. And yes, he's immature and he has the potential to be injury prone. Attacking a rookie for being young and possibly injury prone is stupid since you can do it to any rookie coming through the ranks.

 

He should have been gone already. No more excuses. He runs the show. You don't blame the secretary of state, you blame the president. Same thing here. All things go through him before they go to ownership. So the buck stops with him. Fair or not, that's the way it goes.

 

If you are going for the president, you might want to go after Randy Levine, since he's the yankees president.

 

Look...I'd love to see the Yankees sign some serious talent, develop another wave like we had in the 90s or like the Sox are enjoying now. We're in agreement that if he doesn't develop a few players in the next two to three years, it's time for the Yankees to move in a different direction.

 

Cashman followed the blue print Stick Michaels had laid out. It was not a novel concept by any means...it's been done since the dawn of baseball. However, with this ownership group, it was the FIRST time that the Yankees had operated this way. Cashman is the second person to try it. Give credit where it's due.

 

 

You are backwards. First you say that Cashman is an idiot and should be fired. Then you say that he is unoriginal and trying to follow Stick Michael's blueprint, which you agreed with. Which is it? I agree that he is unoriginal and is following Stick Michael's blueprint. THIS IS WHY I LIKE HIM. This is why every yankee fan should like him. He's convinced management to put money into the farm system. Without his convincing, guys like Joba and Hughes dont get into our system. You apparently dont understand the change in how the yankees attack the draft. How would you, you are a dope who doesnt listen or understand a thing. The Yankees, in the early 2000s were one of the cheapest organizations in baseball in terms of the draft. Ever since 2004, we have been one of the top 10 spenders in the draft. That is the Michael's philosophy. Cashman is copying it. Is it that bad that he isnt original?

 

Regardless. This rant is no different from the baseline. Biased. Ridulous. Downright incorrect in spots. And as usual, useless. Maybe you can try and educate yourself a bit. But I know better. You cannot be educated. Your brother took all the smarts, left you with nothing but half a brain, 10 fingers and a computer. Dumbass.

[Paradisecity]

Johan Santana would NOT have pitched 230 innings in the ALE last year.