2008 Boston Celtics Playoff Game thread

[redsoxrules]

so what if see red predicuted wrong???

 

everyoene predicts werong..........

 

exactly , theres no need for him to call me an ******* because of a few quotes

[TheKilo]

Couldn't be happier for KG, Pierce, and Ray Allen. I get goosebumps any time I've seen KG with the trophy.

 

As for Kobe, he wasn't great in this series but he also got no support. Walton disappeared, Vujacic was terrible, one game aside, Gasol was awful, one game aside, Odom was decent but not up to his usual level, Fisher wasn't great, Farmar was awful. Basically, the game plan seemed to be stop Kobe and make the other guys beat the Celtics and they couldn't do it. It's how they played him all season, make him a jump shooter.

 

Doesn't this hark back to my point where a supporting cast is vital to be successful in the NBA?

 

And that calling Allen, Pierce, and KG career losers was a bit disingenuous?

 

As far as what I've said over the course of the season, the opinion that the Celtics were going to be a poor defensive team was a popular one. Pierce has never been a great defender, Ray Allen has been among the worst in the League, though KG's been a top defender his entire career. But anybody who says they expected Kenrick Perkins, Powe, and some of these other guys to step up and play as big a role as they did before this season is kidding themselves. But defense is about effort and when you have a guy like KG to motivate you, who knows...

 

I didn't think they'd be this good but I'd have to call your word choice of "very, very bad" questionable. KG was going to improve them vastly all by himself and Kendrick Perkins only has defense going for him.

 

And again, the Lakers were favored to win. They have the best player on the planet, came out of the deepest conference ever and had been playing a great deal better than Boston coming into the series... I think Celtics ties aside, most people on this forum would've picked them too.

 

Again, can't criticize that they were favored but only that you said they had no shot. Even after seeing them put forth the defensive efforts against Cleveland (who really has the best player on the planet) and Detroit.

 

 

By the way, Posey and House were incredible pickups. And Doc Rivers outcoached Phil Jackson by a long shot... who'd have thunk it?

 

James Posey is a championship player. Flat out.

[See Red]

ok lets see ... you were roting against the celts all year long' date=' you so did not want them to win .I think everybody else here would agree with me here . so I quoted a few quotes and asked you what do you think about them celtics now? and that makes me an ******* ? you dont invest in the nba? then shut your mouth and stop posting in this thread , otherwise dont be an idiot because the celts won and proved you wrong .[/quote']

 

Boo hoo... I'm wrong. Oh well, life goes on. Interestingly enough I lost no sleep. I didn't cry myself to sleep... I watched the entire game six because I wanted to see Garnett, Pierce, and Allen get what they deserve.

 

I care about one team in the NBA... the Nuggets, and I don't lose any sleep over them -- I cared for them just as much when they were the 17 win Nuggets as I do now... I'm sure you can't say the same about the Celtics. I like to be right, therefore I want things to go in a way that I'd be right. I don't boast and brag when I'm right, so what's the point in bringing up what I was wrong about?

 

I like the NBA... I watch the NBA... and even with me being very wrong about this Celtics team (which many were, by the way), I still know more about the NBA than you. So go f*** yourself. I'll post in whatever threads I like and give my opinions because this forum would be s*** if everyone agreed with everyone all the time. I watch games... I have an opinion on what I'm watching, and I'm fully capable of explaining why I feel the way I do (which I did every step of the way), so why am I in the wrong for posting just because I lose no sleep over this league?

 

As for Kilo's post... the argument of "why" they were losers took on life I didn't intend for it too. The point being that they hadn't been winners... it's tough to expect them to go and win games on the road the way one could've expected teams like the Spurs to do in years past, etc. As for the "very, very bad"... it was a hyperbole, even at the time.

 

And I said nobody's beating the Lakers before it was even Celtics/Lakers. The Lakers looked that good against the Spurs. Again, that's why they were favored.

 

And for what it's worth, Lebron ain't better than Kobe.

[ORS]

He is at passing, rebounding, and in team defense. He's not as good a scorer or on the ball defender. What's that mean? Kobe wins a game of 1 on 1.

[YanksHater213]

Kobe vs. LeBron 1 on 1:

 

In 10 games Kobe wins 5 times LeBron wins the other 5 times.

 

They both take things off the table that the other has, and bring things to the tables that the other doesn't.

 

Kobe would have a hard time defending LeBron's strength driving to the hoop.

LeBron's not good enough of a defender to guard Kobe on the perimeter and still stop his dribble drives.

LeBron's size and athleticism would alter a lot of Kobe's shots.

LeBron's jump shot is a liability, not a strength.

 

You could go on and on with these comparisons of a 1 on 1 game with Kobe and LeBron, but they're the 2 best players in the NBA today, and as I said, they'd probably split 10 games 5 and 5 if they played.

[redsoxrules]

Boo hoo... I'm wrong. Oh well, life goes on. Interestingly enough I lost no sleep. I didn't cry myself to sleep... I watched the entire game six because I wanted to see Garnett, Pierce, and Allen get what they deserve.

apparantly it did afftect you

 

 

I care about one team in the NBA... the Nuggets, and I don't lose any sleep over them -- I cared for them just as much when they were the 17 win Nuggets as I do now... I'm sure you can't say the same about the Celtics. I like to be right, therefore I want things to go in a way that I'd be right. I don't boast and brag when I'm right, so what's the point in bringing up what I was wrong about?

 

nothing.. I quoted a few quotes AS MANY OTHER do here to gloat . but apparantly you're a dick and no one can comment on your predictions

 

I like the NBA... I watch the NBA... and even with me being very wrong about this Celtics team (which many were, by the way), I still know more about the NBA than you. So go f*** yourself. I'll post in whatever threads I like and give my opinions because this forum would be s*** if everyone agreed with everyone all the time. I watch games... I have an opinion on what I'm watching, and I'm fully capable of explaining why I feel the way I do (which I did every step of the way), so why am I in the wrong for posting just because I lose no sleep over this league?

 

know more to the NBA than me ? put your money where your mouth is .

 

like all people here iv'e been wrong on predictions myself but I'm not a dick if someone calls me out on it

[See Red]

apparantly it did afftect you

 

Not being wrong. I just think it's ridiculous that you decide to look through past posts and say "what do ya think now?" when you didn't even say what you thought then.

 

 

nothing.. I quoted a few quotes AS MANY OTHER do here to gloat . but apparantly you're a dick and no one can comment on your predictions

 

Funny you didn't dispute those things -- particularly the comment I made seven f***ing months ago -- when they were made. Hindsight's 20/20.

 

People can say whatever they want about my predictions... TheKilo, for example, can say whatever he wants about whatever I thought because he, at least, had the balls to go out on a limb and disagree with me when I said it... but don't gloat now when you didn't have the balls to put yourself out there and disagree then.

 

 

know more to the NBA than me ? put your money where your mouth is .

 

like all people here iv'e been wrong on predictions myself but I'm not a dick if someone calls me out on it

 

Honestly, at this point, NBA knowledge is the least of your problems. Try taking a high school level english class and get back to me.

[TheKilo]

No one can stop LeBron 1 on 1.

[YanksHater213]

No one can stop LeBron 1 on 1.

 

To be fair about the Kobe vs. LeBron debate:

 

LeBron can't stop Kobe 1 on 1

[See Red]

And the NBA ain't played 1 on 1. And Kobe's better.

 

Not to say Lebron won't eventually be better, but right now, I think Kobe's head and shoulders above anyone else in the League.

[redsoxrules]

 

Honestly, at this point, NBA knowledge is the least of your problems. Try taking a high school level english class and get back to me.

 

French is my first language , wich I use 95 % of the time . so excuse my english. I'm surprise you werent smart enough to figure that out

[redsoxrules]

And the NBA ain't played 1 on 1. And Kobe's better.

 

Not to say Lebron won't eventually be better, but right now, I think Kobe's head and shoulders above anyone else in the League.

 

LeBron had better stats troughout the year than kobe playing on the weaker team

 

LeBron> kobe

[ORS]

And the NBA ain't played 1 on 1.

Exactly. He's the most skilled individual, but there's more to the game than being the most skilled individual.

 

Not to say Lebron won't eventually be better, but right now, I think Kobe's head and shoulders above anyone else in the League.

I think Lebron is much better when playing with 4 other people, to the point that Kobe's individual talent is mitigated and the two are equal.

[yeszir]

French is my first language ' date=' wich I use 95 % of the time . so excuse my english. I'm surprise you werent smart enough to figure that out [/quote']

 

Putain!

[redsoxrules]

Putain!

 

 

[CrespoBlows]

know more to the NBA than me ? put your money where your mouth is .

 

like all people here iv'e been wrong on predictions myself but I'm not a dick if someone calls me out on it

 

Ok , that's fine give me hard time. Of course you dont go looking for fight's but there will come a day when fight's come looking for you and believe me your time is coming. I love your lil speech about you and your family but you can do it to others on the net and it's all good Keep making yourself look good. I guarentee you come to Vegas talking s*** like you do you will get beat down Just remember Karma is a mother f***er.

 

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[See Red]

Exactly. He's the most skilled individual, but there's more to the game than being the most skilled individual.

 

 

I think Lebron is much better when playing with 4 other people, to the point that Kobe's individual talent is mitigated and the two are equal.

 

But where is Lebron so much better in a game situation to where it makes up for defense? Kobe's a permanent fixture on NBA Defensive Teams and much better than Lebron in an aspect that makes up half of the game. Name a better perimeter defender not named Jordan or Bowen.

[TheKilo]

Pierce/Allen abused Bryant quite often this series - in fact, LeBron had more success defensively against Pierce than Bryant did.

[ORS]

But where is Lebron so much better in a game situation to where it makes up for defense? Kobe's a permanent fixture on NBA Defensive Teams and much better than Lebron in an aspect that makes up half of the game. Name a better perimeter defender not named Jordan or Bowen.

Basketball-Reference.com has advanced basketball statistics (newfound statistical analysis is not unique to baseball alone). Last season alone, Lebron had more defensive win shares, 15.3 to 12.7 (almost a full win), and a lower DRating at 104 to 105.

 

Win shares are similar to baseball win shares, with each share 1/3 of a win. The DRating is how many points allowed per 100 possessions, so lower is better.

 

To my eye, Kobe is better on the ball with Lebron being better at off the ball team defense. Like their offensive contributions, Kobe is better as an individual while Lebron is better as part of a team. Last I checked, it is still a team game.

 

And, Kilo's point is a good one. Pierce torched Kobe compared to what Lebron allowed in their matchups. I would expect the best perimeter defender to not allow Pierce to get to the hole as easily as Kobe did.

[YanksHater213]

LeBron is clueless IMO in man defense, but when his motor is on (usually at the end of games and in the fourth quarter), he's one of the top 5 help defenders in the NBA. His athleticism is unparalleled, and with that and his size, he's flying all over the place, getting hands in lanes, blocking shots, stealing balls.

 

This may not be his problem though, give him another star and some other quality players and he won't have to work as hard on the offensive end on every posession so he won't need to coast on defense, and I think you have an All-NBA Defender.

[See Red]

It helps that Lebron's on one of the better defensive teams in basketball while Kobe's on a team that's among the Leagues worst when it comes to playing team defense and is considered to have played the worst team defense in NBA Finals history.

 

Besides, you guys saw the games. It's damn near impossible for any defender to keep someone like Pierce, playing at the otherworldly level he was playing at, contained without help defense and the Lakers help defense was abysmal. This is where I remind you that Lebron had Z and Big Ben down low and Kobe had Pau and Lamar Odom. Advantage: I don't think I need to tell you. It's a team game, people.

 

I don't know... I'll take the 7 time NBA All-Defensive team nominations (as voted on by coaches) as proof over those two individual series'.

 

And Yankshater, that may well be the case, but in 05-06 carried as much of the load for the Lakers offensively as Lebron in any year... named to the Defensive team again.

[YanksHater213]

No doubt Kobe had the same load as him, especially in 05-06, but I think it's shown on the court, and Kobe can be seen clearly spending his effort on BOTH ends for the WHOLE game throughout his career.

 

He got a bad rap from the Finals IMO, because Phil knew he'd need the 40 PPG Kobe if he wanted a sniff of winning, so he put him on Rondo and had him act as a free lance. Obviously didn't work out well enough.