Winter ball assigments, transactions and notes

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Like it has been reported on other sources the Hawaii Winter Baseball league started a few days ago and Red Sox prospects RHP Daniel Bard, RHP Jimmy James, SS Argenis Diaz and OF Jason Place are playing for Honolulu.

 

 

The Arizona Fall league will start soon and Red Sox prospects RHP Craig Hansen, RHP Jose Vaquedano, LHP Hunter Jones, C Dusty Brown, 2B/SS Jed Lowrie and 1B/C Jon Still will be playing for Mesa Solar Sox.

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The Dominican Winter league hold its annual rookie draft a few weeks ago and one of the players drafted was a catcher by the name of Raymundo Tavarez. Tavarez was listed by mistake as a member of the Red Sox organization instead of the Chicago White Sox.

 

As I posted back a few months ago because of economic reasons the Puerto Rican Winter league won't be in operation in 2007.

 

Rotoworld its reporting that OF Sean Danieldson is the player that the Red Sox are receiving from the Cardinalds in the Joel Pineiro trade. Danieldson who is 25 yrs played in AA in 2007.

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Rotoworld its reporting that OF Sean Danieldson is the player that the Red Sox are receiving from the Cardinalds in the Joel Pineiro trade. Danieldson who is 25 yrs played in AA in 2007.

 

According to RW:

 

"Danielson, whi turned 25 in August, hit .291/.370/.384 with a 41/38 K/BB ratio in 320 at-bats for Double-A Springfield last season. He's a long shot to have a career as a fifth outfielder."

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The following Red Sox minor league players will six year minor league free agents if not placed on the 40 man roster this fall or resigns with the Red Sox.

 

Manuel Arambarris 3B *

Jeff Bailey 1B

John Barnes RHP

Craig Breslow LHP

Dusty Brown C*

Mike Burns RHP

Kevin Cash C

Bryan Corey RHP #

Tony Granadillo 2B*

Devern Hansack RHP#

Travis Hughes RHP

Kyles Jackson RHP*

Edgar Martinez RHP#

Joe McEwing 2B

Salvador Paniagua C*

David Pauley RHP#

ED Rogers SS

Bobby Scales 2B

Kyle Snyder RHP

Chris Smith RHP

Chad Spann 3B*

Jose Vaquedano RHP

Charles Zink RHP

 

# Should be placed on the 40 man roster

* Should be resigned

[RobZombie]

Scaff this is incorrect.

 

Martinez, Jackson, Breslow, Cash, Corey, Hansack, Snyder and Pauley are on the 40 man roster and hence cannot be resigned by another team, unless they are removed from the roster.

 

Smith, Spann, and Vaquendano. aren't minor league free agents either. A player only becomes a minor league free agent after he has completed 6 full minor league seasons. Hence for players drafted in the 2002 draft, their first season in minor league baseball does not count as a full minor league season. These three will become minor league free agents after next season if they are not placed on the 40 man roster.

 

Only players drafted in the 2001 draft or signed before the 2002 season are eligible for minor league free agency.

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Scaff this is incorrect.

 

Martinez, Jackson, Breslow, Cash, Corey, Hansack, Snyder and Pauley are on the 40 man roster and hence cannot be resigned by another team, unless they are removed from the roster.

 

Smith, Spann, and Vaquendano. aren't minor league free agents either. A player only becomes a minor league free agent after he has completed 6 full minor league seasons. Hence for players drafted in the 2002 draft, their first season in minor league baseball does not count as a full minor league season. These three will become minor league free agents after next season if they are not placed on the 40 man roster.

 

Only players drafted in the 2001 draft or signed before the 2002 season are eligible for minor league free agency.

 

If a player plays from 2002 to 2007 in the minors that will be 6 years of minor league ball, that includes time played after been drafted and signed even if its time played in short scheduled league or the Latin leagues. The group of players that I mentioned above have played minor league ball for six years which would make them 6 years minor league free agents unless they are placed on a 40 man roster or gets resigned.

 

The group of players that you are talking about where in the 40 man roster for 2007, in the Fall the 40 man roster will get set up again and some of those players aren't likely to make the 40 man roster for 2008.

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Argenis Diaz who is the best defensive short stop in the Red Sox system is leading the Hawaii Winter league in hitting after 9 games with a 438 Ave 32 AB 14 H 4 R 7 RBI, on the other hand RHP Craig Hansen continues with pitching issues and in 2G 2 IP 5 H (2 HR) 3R 3 ER 0 Bb 1 K and a 455 batting average against.

[RobZombie]

If a player plays from 2002 to 2007 in the minors that will be 6 years of minor league ball, that includes time played after been drafted and signed even if its time played in short scheduled league or the Latin leagues. The group of players that I mentioned above have played minor league ball for six years which would make them 6 years minor league free agents unless they are placed on a 40 man roster or gets resigned.

 

I'm sorry Scaff but you are just dead wrong.

 

http://www.brewerfan.net/ViewFreeAgency.do

 

Six (6) years after a minor league player’s first season ends with an organization, if the player is not on the major league 40-man roster, he is eligible for minor league free agency. (If a player is on the 40-man roster, this rule does not apply.) Sometimes referred to as a “six-year minor league free agent,” the name comes from six renewable years on a player’s contract.

The rules differ for players who have been released by their first organization before the expiration of the six-year period. When a player signs with a new club, the new club can choose to sign the player for however many years remain before the expiration of their sixth renewable contract.

 

Players from the 2002 draft are not eligible for minor league free agency because they would have less than 6 full years of professional service time. It works the same way for major league free agency. You aren't a free agent unless you have 6 full years of major league service time. IOW, players called up in July of 02, aren't free agents in 07 as 02 didn't count as a full year of service time. Same rule applies.

 

A player has 6 renewable years on his contract the players I mentioned have only had five.

[RobZombie]

"The group of players that you are talking about where in the 40 man roster for 2007, in the Fall the 40 man roster will get set up again and some of those players aren't likely to make the 40 man roster for 2008.

 

This is wrong too. The Red Sox don't reset the 40 man roster, its a flow as opposed to stock.

 

The Red Sox will keep every guy they can on the 40 man roster though some might be released or DFA'd soon after the season. In the minors only Beau Vaughn and Travis Hughes are candidates to be added to the 40 man roster.

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Before you keep arguing read the rules, just because a players its on the 40 man roster it doesn't means that a player will be kept on the 40 man roster, organizations every fall ads and drop players from the roster and again you're wrong Vaughn and Hughes aren't the only player that can be added to the 40 man roster.

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The Red Sox Florida instructional league opened up almost a month ago, DSL graduates Cesar Cabral (LHP) Yeiper Castillo (RHP) Randy Consuegra (RHP) Stolmy Pimentel (RHP) Leandro Marin (RHP) and Ronald Bermudez (OF) are in camp, but a couple of names that are surprising missing are Dennis Newman (RHP) Manuel Rivera (LHP) Anataner Batista (RHP) and Roberto Feliz (OF). Marin didn't pitched in almost two years with an injury before able to pitch in three games at the end of the season. Thomas Pressly (RHP) Adam Mills (RHP) Eamon Portice (RHP) and David Marks are the only top draft picks from the June draft not in Camp. Oscar Tejeda and Yamaico Navarro are in camp along with recent Bonus baby Michael Almanzar.

[AZBlue]

Scaf, when does the Instructional League season end? I'm going to be in Fort Myers from the 23rd through the 26th and hope to catch the tail end of the league season.

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AZBlue, I don't have the specific day that Instructional league ends, but usually its a few days after mid October, so you may be able to see a game or two.

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In their first off season move the Red Sox claimed LHP Jay Marshall from the A's. Marshall a soft thrower reliever is a 24 yrs 6-5 185 who was selected in the 2006 by the A's in the rule five draft despite not having pitched no higher than the Carolina league (High A) Marshall is expected to go back to the minors in 2008 perhaps to Portland. In order to claim Marshall the Sox had to designate LHP Daniel Haigwood for assigment.

[RobZombie]

Before you keep arguing read the rules' date=' just because a players its on the 40 man roster it doesn't means that a player will be kept on the 40 man roster, organizations every fall ads and drop players from the roster and again you're wrong Vaughn and Hughes aren't the only player that can be added to the 40 man roster.[/quote']

 

So I guess you admit that you were wrong about six year minor league free agents and stipulate to that.

 

Anyone can be removed from the 40 man roster at any time for any reason. As a practical matter however, the Sox aren't going to remove any six year minor league free agents unless they are forced to create a roster spot for someone or they just don't want the player.

 

The Sox can add anyone they want to the 40 man roster, but the only players in the system who are both eligible for the Rule Five draft and/or minor league free agency that you'd even think about giving roster spots to are Hughes and Vaughn. Guys like Vaquendo and Spann are eligible for Rule Five but they aren't going on the 40 man roster.

 

Immediately after the season, Timlin, Mirabelli, Schilling, Lowell, Tavarez, Gagne, Hinske and Clayton are likely off the 40 man and they will likely add Hughes and Vaughn. I'd assume that Snyder is either non-tendered, released or traded. They probably get a rule five pick and sign three or four free agents.

 

As you can see there is plenty of room on the roster for guys like Breslow, Hughes, and Corey to go to Ft. Myers with the team in the spring.

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So I guess you admit that you were wrong about six year minor league free agents and stipulate to that.

 

Anyone can be removed from the 40 man roster at any time for any reason. As a practical matter however, the Sox aren't going to remove any six year minor league free agents unless they are forced to create a roster spot for someone or they just don't want the player.

 

The Sox can add anyone they want to the 40 man roster, but the only players in the system who are both eligible for the Rule Five draft and/or minor league free agency that you'd even think about giving roster spots to are Hughes and Vaughn. Guys like Vaquendo and Spann are eligible for Rule Five but they aren't going on the 40 man roster.

 

Immediately after the season, Timlin, Mirabelli, Schilling, Lowell, Tavarez, Gagne, Hinske and Clayton are likely off the 40 man and they will likely add Hughes and Vaughn. I'd assume that Snyder is either non-tendered, released or traded. They probably get a rule five pick and sign three or four free agents.

 

As you can see there is plenty of room on the roster for guys like Breslow, Hughes, and Corey to go to Ft. Myers with the team in the spring.

 

 

You have a right to believe what you want, no matter how miss inform you're, I also have the right of wanting to have a conversation with you and because I am not interested this is the end of it.

 

I didn't mind having a conversation with you even if you where miss imformed, but when you are offensive and talk crap of the kind of work i do and i don't there's not need that the coversation should continues.

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Iggy Suarez will be playing for Barranquilla in the Colombia Winter league.

[Snygren]

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I enjoy reading your posts, and would love to know if you are a regulard contributor to any other sites!

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I enjoy reading your posts, and would love to know if you are a regulard contributor to any other sites!

 

Thank You, for now i am only posting in this one.

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Carlos Fernandez and Chris Carter are playing for La Guaira, Jose Alvarez and Travis Hughes for Oriente, Luis Sumoza and Christian Lara for Caracas in the regular Venezuelan Winter league.

 

In Venezuela unlike any other Winter league has a league for rookies called liga Paralela. Tony Granadillo and SS (recently signed) Joantoni Garcia for Aragua,Pedro Chourio, Victor Galue and Ernesto Reyes for Zulia, Victor Serrano for La Guaira, Luis Segovia for Caracas and Jackvid Avila for Bravos.

 

In the Dominican Winter league Brandon Moss is back with the Aguilas, Carlos Almanzar (Michael Almanzar's father) for Azucareros and Salvador Paniagua for Licey.

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According to BA the Red Sox have signed OF Daniel Nava and C Dennis Blackmon. Navaa switch hitter left handed thrower was BA #1 independent league prospect will be 25 yrs before Spring training starts, Blackmon a 24 yrs defensive type catcher with a strong arm and a qustionable bat is BA #5 independent league prospect.

[RobZombie]

You have a right to believe what you want, no matter how miss inform you're, I also have the right of wanting to have a conversation with you and because I am not interested this is the end of it.

 

I didn't mind having a conversation with you even if you where miss imformed, but when you are offensive and talk crap of the kind of work i do and i don't there's not need that the coversation should continues.

 

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In general you have a right to your opinion as this is an open forum after all. However you shouldn't dismiss the opinion of others on the basis that you have special knowledge that other posters don't have. If I don't agree that a player not being called up in September has anything to do with the chances that he will be added to the 40 man roster, and your response is that you have special industry knowledge, expect to be challenged on that. I personally don't believe that you have special industry knowledge.

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According to the Boston Glove the Sox have resigned catcher Dusty Brown and have place him in the Red Sox 40 man roster. Brown would had been a six year minor league free agen id he hadn't resign. According to rumors the Sox have resigned others who would had been minor league free agents.

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With 12 days left in the regular season of the Arizona Fall league this are the stats of Red Sox prospects.

 

Catcher Dusty Brown 11 G 38 AB 1 R 12 H 1 double 0 tripples 0 HR 1 RBI 316 AVE 6 BB 6 SO.

 

Second baseman Jed Lowrie 16 G 66 AB 9 R 13 H 5 doubles 0 tripples 1 HR 13 RBI 197 AVE 7 BB 8 So 3 E.

 

Catcher/firstbaseman Jon Still 17 G 56 AB 9 R 9 H 1 double 0 tripples 2 HR 5 RBI 161 AVE 13 BB 16 So.

 

LHP Daniel Haigwood 5 G 5 GS 0 W 2 L 7.82 ERA 12.7 IP 19 H (2 HR) 8 BB 11K 352 batting average against.

 

RHP Craig Hansen 5 G (all in relief) 1 SV 0 W 1 L 5.40 ERA 5 IP 6 H (2 HR) 1 BB 8 K 256 batting average against.

 

LHP Hunter Jones 7 G (all in relief) 0 W 0 L 7.45 ERA 9.7 IP 17 H (1 HR) 3 BB 6 K 347 batting average aginst.

 

RHP Jose Vaquedano 8 G (all in relief) 2 W 1 L 5.06 ERA 10.7 IP 14 H (0 HR) 5 BB 7 K a 318 batting average against.

 

With 2 weeks left on the regular season schedule of the Hawaii Winter baseball league this are the stats of the Red Sox prospects playing in the league.

 

Argenis Diaz 24 G 79 AB 15 R 33 H (leads the league) 5 doubles 1 tripple 0 HR 418 AVE leads the league 8 BB 10 So.

 

Jason Place 19 G 58 AB 14 R 14 H 5 double 0 tripples 4 HR 8 RBI 241 AVE 11 B 25 So 2 stolen bases and 1 getting caught.

 

Daniel Bard 12 G ( all in relief) 0 W 0 L 0.69 ERA 13 Ip 7 H (0 HR) 11 BB 11 K and .156 batting average against.

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RHP Edgar Martinez is pitching for Margaritas in the Venezuelan Winter league and LHP Jose Capellan its pitching for Azucareros of the Dominican Winter league.

 

Brandon Moss who is playing in the Dominican Winter league first 7 games is hitting for a 393 average in 28 AB, but all of his base hits has been singles and has 3 RBI.

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Besides the resigned minor league free agents who aren't placed on the 40 man rosters the following Red Sox minor leaguers are rule 5 draft elegible.

 

Adam Blackley LHP

Zachary Borowiak SS

Andrew Dobies LHP

Carlos Gonzalez RHP

Matt Goodson RHP

Emilis Guerrero RHP

Mickey Hall OF

Barry Hertzler RHP

Thomas Hottoby LHP

Jimmy James RHP

Michael James RHP

Christian Lara SS

Willy Mota RHP

John Ottness C

Argenis paulino RHP

Andrew Pinkney 3B

Bryan Pritz OF

Iggy Suarez SS

Beau Vaughan RHP

Scott White 3B

 

Willy Mota might be the only one in danger to be drafted, but he's not ready to pitch at the ML for a least a couple of years.

 

 

This is the list of the Red Sox of the Red Sox players who are draft elegible.

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To the best of my knowledge the 40 man roster must be set tonight (11/19) by midnight, for now the Red Sox 40 man roster looks like this.

 

Pitchers:

 

Josh Beckett RHP

Craig Breslow LHP

Clay Buchholz RHP

Bryan Corey RHP

Manny DelCarmen RHP

Brendan Donnelly RHP

Devern Hansack RHP

Craig Hansen RHP

Kyle Jackson RHP

Jon Lester LHP

Javier Lopez LHP

 

Edgar Martinez RHP

Daisuke Matsuzaka RHP

Hideke Okahima LHP

Jonathan Papelbon RHP

David Pauley RHP

Curt Schillings RHP

Kyle Snyder RHP

Julian Tavares RHP

Mike Timlin RHP

Tim Wakefield RHP

 

 

Catchers:

 

Dusty Brown

George Kottaras

Jason Varitek

 

Infielders:

 

Alex Cora

Chris Carter *

Argenis Diaz *

Mike Lowell

Julio Lugo

David Ortiz

Dustin Pedroia

Kevin Youklis

 

Outfielders:

 

Coco Crisp

JD Drew

Jacoby Ellsbury

Brandon Moss

Manny Ramirez

Jonathan Van Every

 

 

Roster stands at 38 players

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With the end of the Hawaiian Winter league and the Arizona Fall league, here are somme final stats.

 

From the Hawaiian league: Argenis Diaz's bat slowed down in the final days, but was the league batting champ with 358 ave, also was second in the league with 38 H and first with a 421 OBP. In 32 G 106 AB 17 R 38 H 5 double, 2 tripples and 0 HR 16 RBI 10 BB, 18 So. 2 SB,3 CS, 443 SLG, 421 OBP and 9 errors. Jason Place hit for a 213 Average in 26 G and 80 AB 16 R 17 H 6 doubles 0 tripples and 4 HR, 8 RBI 13 BB, 39 So, 2 SB, 2 CS, 438 SLG, 330 OBP and 4 Errors. Daniel Bard piched in 16 g (all as a reliever) 0 W 0 L 1.08 ERA 16 2/3 IP 8 H (0 HR) 5 HB 15 BB 15 K 2 Wp and 136 batting average against. Jimmy James in 8 G (all as a starter) 2 W 3 L 3.31 ERA in 35 1/3 IP 32 H (3 HR) 15 BB 43 K ( 6th in the league) and a 242 batting average against.

 

From the Arizona fall league: Dusty Brown in 15 G a 273 Ave 55 AB 1 R 15 H 1 doublw 0 tripples and 0 HR 1 RBI 6B 12 So 0 SB or CS 291 SLG 344 OBP and 3 Errors. Jed Lowrie in 24 G 163 Average in 98 AB 12 R 16 H 5 double 0 tripples and 1 HR 14 RBI 15 BB 14 So, 3 SB and 3 CS 245 SLG, 236 OBP and 3 Errors. Jon Still in 25 G a 146 average 82 AB 10 R 13 H 3 double 0 tripples and 2 HR 8 RBI 15 BB 22 So 0 SB or CS 256 Slg, 278 OBP 0 E. Craig Hansen 5 G ( all as a reliever) 0-1 5.87 ERA 5 IP 6 H ( 2 HR) 1 BB 8 K 1 WP 300 batting average against. Daniel Haigwood 7 G ( all as a starter) 1-2 4.87 ERA 20 1/3 IP 24 H (2 HR) 12 bb 17 K 1 WP and a 300batting average against. Lincoln Holdskom 7 G ( all as a reliever) 1-0 3.86 ERA 7 IP 2 H ( 0HR) 4 BB 10 K 1 WP and 087 batting average against. Jose Vaquedano 11 G ( all as a reliever) 0-1 4.61 ERA 13 2/3 16 H ( 0 HR) 6 BB 11 K 3 WP and a 291 batting average against.

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I guess Hansen remains an enigma. 8 K's in 5 innings of work, only 1 walk, but a nearly 6 era, with 2 HRs given up?

 

A couple other notes:

Bard...15 Ks and 15 walks in 16+ IP...5 hit batters...but only a .136 BAA. Guess they can't hit you when they're afraid of losing their heads.

 

Oh, and Jed Lowrie hit like s***.