Peyton Manning - Greatest QB ever?

[Cityofchampions33]

Did you ever see Roger play? He was the one QB that I absolutely hated to see my team play against. There have been very few of those QB's over the years. Picking out the greatest ever is not something that will ever be done. The game changes from generation to generation. You have great QB's that in their time only threw 20 - 30 times a game, if that.

 

I have always been a fan of having a great running team. Very few teams take that approach any more. When I was growing up. You ran the ball till the Defense was tired and then opened up the passing game. Now it's all about the pass.

 

I have seen him play, though perhaps not the games he's known for or moments anyway, but I may be a tad biased since I saw Elway's greatest and latest years. Elway also has the impressive placing on the all-time passing TD list, total offense list, and the NFL record 40 comeback wins. And though his CMP% is a little lower than Staubach's, he did have some horrid early seasons that lowered it, as he did have some 60+ % seasons.

[TheKilo]

All I am saying is that I would rather have Brady on my team, I think he is calmer under pressure and not much rattles him. By the way See Red how do you think a team that was 5-11 the previous year and started 0-2 went on to win a superbowl. If Brady had not come on to the field, the Pats would have probably won only five games that season. Thats the fact that people overlook, the Patriots were not by any means a quality team when Brady took over. They had Bledsoe who was an alright quarterback, but when Brady was inserted into the offense I think his presence and deminor helped give everyone on the team confidence. You can't teach that, you either have that quality or you don't. Let's be realistic Peyton Manning's playoff stats are not that good if you take out 2 monstrous games I believe in 04. He had something like 10 TD's and 0 picks in those two games, other than that he was mediocre at best through out his playoff career. He played especially poor in two of his four playoff games last season.

 

 

Year Opp Result | CMP ATT PYD PTD INT | RSH YD TD

---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------

1999 ten L,16-19 | 19 43 227 0 0 | 2 22 1

2000 mia L,17-23 | 17 32 194 1 0 | 1 -2 0

2002 nyj L,0-41 | 14 31 137 0 2 | 1 2 0

2003 den W,41-10 | 22 26 377 5 0 | 1 0 0

2003 kan W,38-31 | 22 30 304 3 0 | 1 -1 0

2003 nwe L,14-24 | 23 47 237 1 4 | 2 4 0

2004 den W,49-24 | 27 33 457 4 1 | 1 1 1

2004 nwe L,3-20 | 27 42 238 0 1 | 1 6 0

2005 pit L,18-21 | 22 38 290 1 0 | 0 0 0

2006 kan W,23-8 | 30 38 268 1 3 | 2 -2 0

2006 bal W,15-6 | 15 30 170 0 2 | 3 5 0

2006 nwe W,38-34 | 27 47 349 1 1 | 2 0 1

*2006 chi W,29-17 | 25 38 247 1 1 | 1 0 0

---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------

TOTAL | 290 475 3495 18 15 | 18 35 3

 

If you take out the 8 touchdowns and 0 picks, he is left with 10 Td's and 15 picks, not that great. You can't blame that on the bad defense either. Now compare these stats to Tom Brady's:

 

Year Opp Result | CMP ATT PYD PTD INT | RSH YD TD

---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------

2001 oak W,16-13 | 32 52 312 0 1 | 5 16 1

2001 pit W,24-17 | 12 18 115 0 0 | 2 3 0

*2001 stl W,20-17 | 16 27 145 1 0 | 1 3 0

2003 ten W,17-14 | 21 41 201 1 0 | 5 5 0

2003 ind W,24-14 | 22 37 237 1 1 | 5 1 0

*2003 car W,32-29 | 32 48 354 3 1 | 2 12 0

2004 ind W,20-3 | 18 27 144 1 0 | 4 6 1

2004 pit W,41-27 | 14 21 207 2 0 | 2 -2 0

*2004 phi W,24-21 | 23 33 236 2 0 | 1 -1 0

2005 jax W,28-3 | 15 27 201 3 0 | 2 9 0

2005 den L,13-27 | 20 36 341 1 2 | 1 -1 0

2006 nyj W,37-16 | 22 34 212 2 0 | 2 14 0

2006 sdg W,24-21 | 27 51 280 2 3 | 2 3 0

2006 ind L,34-38 | 21 34 232 1 1 | 4 1 0

---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------

TOTAL | 295 486 3217 20 9 | 38 69 2

 

It's not even close, Brady is a far supeior playoff performer, which is what I want my quarterback to be. I am not even going to bring up W/L totals because I know we are talking about pure stats here.

 

Brady has thrown interceptions the last two seasons with the game on the line.

 

Could Brady's perception of being "clutch" just be because he won at the right time? What happens if Manning wins another Super Bowl? Is he compared to Elway then instead of a choker? What if Brady never leads another Pats team to the SB? Can I call him a choker?

[redsoxrules]

All I am saying is that I would rather have Brady on my team, I think he is calmer under pressure and not much rattles him. By the way See Red how do you think a team that was 5-11 the previous year and started 0-2 went on to win a superbowl. If Brady had not come on to the field, the Pats would have probably won only five games that season. Thats the fact that people overlook, the Patriots were not by any means a quality team when Brady took over. They had Bledsoe who was an alright quarterback, but when Brady was inserted into the offense I think his presence and deminor helped give everyone on the team confidence. You can't teach that, you either have that quality or you don't. Let's be realistic Peyton Manning's playoff stats are not that good if you take out 2 monstrous games I believe in 04. He had something like 10 TD's and 0 picks in those two games, other than that he was mediocre at best through out his playoff career. He played especially poor in two of his four playoff games last season.

 

 

Year Opp Result | CMP ATT PYD PTD INT | RSH YD TD

---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------

1999 ten L,16-19 | 19 43 227 0 0 | 2 22 1

2000 mia L,17-23 | 17 32 194 1 0 | 1 -2 0

2002 nyj L,0-41 | 14 31 137 0 2 | 1 2 0

2003 den W,41-10 | 22 26 377 5 0 | 1 0 0

2003 kan W,38-31 | 22 30 304 3 0 | 1 -1 0

2003 nwe L,14-24 | 23 47 237 1 4 | 2 4 0

2004 den W,49-24 | 27 33 457 4 1 | 1 1 1

2004 nwe L,3-20 | 27 42 238 0 1 | 1 6 0

2005 pit L,18-21 | 22 38 290 1 0 | 0 0 0

2006 kan W,23-8 | 30 38 268 1 3 | 2 -2 0

2006 bal W,15-6 | 15 30 170 0 2 | 3 5 0

2006 nwe W,38-34 | 27 47 349 1 1 | 2 0 1

*2006 chi W,29-17 | 25 38 247 1 1 | 1 0 0

---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------

TOTAL | 290 475 3495 18 15 | 18 35 3

 

If you take out the 8 touchdowns and 0 picks, he is left with 10 Td's and 15 picks, not that great. You can't blame that on the bad defense either. Now compare these stats to Tom Brady's:

 

Year Opp Result | CMP ATT PYD PTD INT | RSH YD TD

---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------

2001 oak W,16-13 | 32 52 312 0 1 | 5 16 1

2001 pit W,24-17 | 12 18 115 0 0 | 2 3 0

*2001 stl W,20-17 | 16 27 145 1 0 | 1 3 0

2003 ten W,17-14 | 21 41 201 1 0 | 5 5 0

2003 ind W,24-14 | 22 37 237 1 1 | 5 1 0

*2003 car W,32-29 | 32 48 354 3 1 | 2 12 0

2004 ind W,20-3 | 18 27 144 1 0 | 4 6 1

2004 pit W,41-27 | 14 21 207 2 0 | 2 -2 0

*2004 phi W,24-21 | 23 33 236 2 0 | 1 -1 0

2005 jax W,28-3 | 15 27 201 3 0 | 2 9 0

2005 den L,13-27 | 20 36 341 1 2 | 1 -1 0

2006 nyj W,37-16 | 22 34 212 2 0 | 2 14 0

2006 sdg W,24-21 | 27 51 280 2 3 | 2 3 0

2006 ind L,34-38 | 21 34 232 1 1 | 4 1 0

---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------

TOTAL | 295 486 3217 20 9 | 38 69 2

 

It's not even close, Brady is a far supeior playoff performer, which is what I want my quarterback to be. I am not even going to bring up W/L totals because I know we are talking about pure stats here.

 

 

tom brady's stats in the 2001 playoffs sucks.. 60 for 97 572 yards 1TD 1INT , your full of s*** if you say its because of tom brady that they won that year. their defense held the opposing team to 13,17,17 points and not to mention 2 huge field gold by vinaterri

 

2003 playoffs... much better than 2001 but not exceptional

2004 playoffs... he was great in that year cant argue that

2005 playoffs.. he was good but lost to denver

2006 playoffs .. he sucked

 

so overall 2001 and 2006 he really sucked... 2003 and 2005 he was good and 2004 he was great . i'd give him credit for 2 SB at the most, not 3

[MANNYHOF24]

tom brady's stats in the 2001 playoffs sucks.. 60 for 97 572 yards 1TD 1INT , your full of s*** if you say its because of tom brady that they won that year. their defense held the opposing team to 13,17,17 points and not to mention 2 huge field gold by vinaterri

 

2003 playoffs... much better than 2001 but not exceptional

2004 playoffs... he was great in that year cant argue that

2005 playoffs.. he was good but lost to denver

2006 playoffs .. he sucked

 

so overall 2001 and 2006 he really sucked... 2003 and 2005 he was good and 2004 he was great . i'd give him credit for 2 SB at the most, not 3

 

So you think the Pats would have won the superbowl in 01 with Bledsoe as quarterback? You are full of s*** my friend. Brady had two good games out of three in the 2006 playoffs, with one so-so game, to say he sucked last post season is a really, really dumb comment.

[redsoxrules]

So you think the Pats would have won the superbowl in 01 with Bledsoe as quarterback?

 

actually yeah , it wouldn't have been hard to throw for more than 1 TD pass and 572 yards in 3 games

[MANNYHOF24]

Brady has thrown interceptions the last two seasons with the game on the line.

 

Could Brady's perception of being "clutch" just be because he won at the right time? What happens if Manning wins another Super Bowl? Is he compared to Elway then instead of a choker? What if Brady never leads another Pats team to the SB? Can I call him a choker?

 

The drive against Indy was almost an impossible situation. I believe there was like 50 seconds left and no timeouts, not to mention the best option Brady had to throw to was Ben Watson. Let's also no forget that if Reche Caldwell had not dropped a wide open TD, the Patriots would have won the game, and we would be talking about the 4 time superbowl champion Patriots. The only really bad end of game descion Brady made was the pick in the endzone against Denver, but I believe that was in the third quarter so that really wasn't the end of the game.

 

I am not saying Manning is a choker, I am saying if you are looking at pure stats Brady is a better post season performer than Manning at this point in there respective careers period.

[MANNYHOF24]

actually yeah ' date=' it wouldn't have been hard to throw for more than 1 TD pass and 572 yards in 3 games[/quote']

 

moron.

[redsoxrules]

Brady had two good games out of three in the 2006 playoffs' date=' with one so-so game, to say he sucked last post season is a really, really dumb comment.[/quote']

 

two good games ? wich ones?

[MANNYHOF24]

2006 ind L,34-38 | 21 34 232 1 1 | 4 1 0

2006 nyj W,37-16 | 22 34 212 2 0 | 2 14 0

 

I guess I meant one really good game with one decent game. Brady actually played well against the Colts in the AFC champ. game, if you take out his desperation pick he actually had a very above average game.

[redsoxrules]

The drive against Indy was almost an impossible situation. I believe there was like 50 seconds left and no timeouts, not to mention the best option Brady had to throw to was Ben Watson. Let's also no forget that if Reche Caldwell had not dropped a wide open TD, the Patriots would have won the game, and we would be talking about the 4 time superbowl champion Patriots. The only really bad end of game descion Brady made was the pick in the endzone against Denver, but I believe that was in the third quarter so that really wasn't the end of the game.

 

I am not saying Manning is a choker, I am saying if you are looking at pure stats Brady is a better post season performer than Manning at this point in there respective careers period.

 

moron

[redsoxrules]

2006 ind L,34-38 | 21 34 232 1 1 | 4 1 0

2006 nyj W,37-16 | 22 34 212 2 0 | 2 14 0

 

I guess I meant one really good game with one decent game. Brady actually played well against the Colts in the AFC champ. game, if you take out his desperation pick he actually had a very above average game.

 

moron

[MANNYHOF24]

moron

 

What the hell are you talking about? He the game against the Jets was a good game, and the game against the Colts he played solid.

[MANNYHOF24]

moron

 

Your comment about the saying the Patriots would have won the superbowl that year with out Brady was moronic. It means you knew nothing about the Pats that season. The team was 5-13 in their last 18 games and suddenly they would have just turned it around and gone 14-3 with a superbowl with Bledsoe at the helm.

[TheKilo]

Your comment about the saying the Patriots would have won the superbowl that year with out Brady was moronic. It means you knew nothing about the Pats that season. The team was 5-13 in their last 18 games and suddenly they would have just turned it around and gone 14-3 with a superbowl with Bledsoe at the helm.

 

Well, Bledsoe did kinda sorta win the AFC Championship game, so to call him a moron for thinking he coulda won the SB with the defensive performance the Pats put forth isn't that far fetched.

[Mr Crunchy]

i get amused when canadiens discuss football

its nearly as amusing as when they discuss national pride.

 

walk down memory lane with a guy who saw the pats play in harvard stadium for a moment

im a season ticket holder walking out of the old stadium the week after 9-11-01

very emotional day with andruzzi's brothers and with machine guns everywhere.

my dad is limping along with me,there was 6 minutes left,the 0-1 pats were down 10-3 against the lowly jets and we and 20,000 other people knew WE FUKIN KNEW that bledsoe couldnt get it done so we leave the building as we had so many times before as losers with no hope

0-2 against the bengals and the jets and it looked like a bad year brewin

bledsoe ends up nearly bleeding out on the sidelines but before the game ended the fans had a shot of victory when brady got a couple of 1st downs and they tried the hail mary...

they failed but a star was born

the next week we got to indianappolis as 10 pt underdogs against all world peyton manning

the pats beat the f***ing s*** out of them,him and their entire team.

bryan cox decapitated pathon and the season restarted that very moment

bledsoe??

stop it,just stop it now.

he came in against pitt and threw a td pass then went back to the bench where he belonged

sb37

1:40 to play and the rams tie the game

they kick to the patriots

im screaming play for ot

my brother is screaming for ot

john madden is screaming for ot

belichek turns the ball over to tom brady and jermaine wiggins and fred f***ing coleman?? and vinitieri finishes the job.

 

denver beat us in 05 fair and square if you ask me

brady was horrible and the broncos were better that day.

 

last year i feel the front office beat us

brady was 1 1st down away from going to the superbowl

reche caldwell dropped 2 balls that my 4 year old neice catches that couldve been tds

any of which ends indies season

caldwell dropped the ball,the pats were sucking wind and the game was over.

to put last years loss on brady is beyond f***ing stupid

in fact i think we should have a seperate column for canadien posters so we americans dont have to stagger thru the nonsense and the pure ******** that is falling from santas village

 

really

what does canada do for football outside of giving a few jobs to felons who couldnt make it here?

isnt curling the national sport of canada??

[inkman]

if you're going by that Montana is the best

 

...and he is. :thumbsup:

[redsoxrules]

i get amused when canadiens discuss football

its nearly as amusing as when they discuss national pride.

 

walk down memory lane with a guy who saw the pats play in harvard stadium for a moment

im a season ticket holder walking out of the old stadium the week after 9-11-01

very emotional day with andruzzi's brothers and with machine guns everywhere.

my dad is limping along with me,there was 6 minutes left,the 0-1 pats were down 10-3 against the lowly jets and we and 20,000 other people knew WE FUKIN KNEW that bledsoe couldnt get it done so we leave the building as we had so many times before as losers with no hope

0-2 against the bengals and the jets and it looked like a bad year brewin

bledsoe ends up nearly bleeding out on the sidelines but before the game ended the fans had a shot of victory when brady got a couple of 1st downs and they tried the hail mary...

they failed but a star was born

the next week we got to indianappolis as 10 pt underdogs against all world peyton manning

the pats beat the f***ing s*** out of them,him and their entire team.

bryan cox decapitated pathon and the season restarted that very moment

bledsoe??

stop it,just stop it now.

he came in against pitt and threw a td pass then went back to the bench where he belonged

sb37

1:40 to play and the rams tie the game

they kick to the patriots

im screaming play for ot

my brother is screaming for ot

john madden is screaming for ot

belichek turns the ball over to tom brady and jermaine wiggins and fred f***ing coleman?? and vinitieri finishes the job.

 

denver beat us in 05 fair and square if you ask me

brady was horrible and the broncos were better that day.

 

last year i feel the front office beat us

brady was 1 1st down away from going to the superbowl

reche caldwell dropped 2 balls that my 4 year old neice catches that couldve been tds

any of which ends indies season

caldwell dropped the ball,the pats were sucking wind and the game was over.

to put last years loss on brady is beyond f***ing stupid

in fact i think we should have a seperate column for canadien posters so we americans dont have to stagger thru the nonsense and the pure ******** that is falling from santas village

 

really

what does canada do for football outside of giving a few jobs to felons who couldnt make it here?

isnt curling the national sport of canada??

 

Shut the f*** up you moron , eventough I live in canada it dosent mean i dont know s*** about sports . TV and internet does exist down here .you say i dont know sports? all you do is name calling and talk about whores and say stupid cheesy lines

If thats all you have to say shut the f*** up , im here to talk sports , not that nonsense you keep posting

 

 

 

caldwell droped 2 balls, i tought a great QB finds a way to win games?

[DrewDaGreat]

Brady > Manning.

 

That will be shown this year now that he finally has weapons to rival Peyton's.

[MANNYHOF24]

Shut the f*** up you moron , eventough I live in canada it dosent mean i dont know s*** about sports . TV and internet does exist down here . all you do is name calling and talk about whores and say stupid cheesy lines

If thats all you have to say shut the f*** up , im here to talk sports , not that nonsense you keep posting

 

 

 

caldwell droped 2 balls, i tought a great QB finds a way to win games?

 

But the fact remains that if Caldwell didn't drop the tochdown pass the Patriots win the game. I would say 1 time out of every 100 a QB would lead his team to a touch down with 45 seconds left and 0 timeouts startig from about the 20 yard line.