August 17th vs. Anaheim - Game 2

[riverside sluggers]

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[redsoxfan864]

Tito coming out to argue the blown call was too little too late. HE could have effected the out come of this game hours ago.

okay nostradamus we get your damn point.

[schillingouttheks]

I'm sorry' date=' I don't think its smart to use your dominant closer in a 4 run lead during the first game of a DH. Its just f***ing stupid. And now your looking at the consequence. I saw this coming the second Tito let Paps go back out into the 9th earlier today.[/quote']

 

I think it's fine. If you have a chance to secure a win, you take it. Our bullpen is a strong bullpen overall. The trade for Eric Gagne was made SO THAT we could use him when Papelbon was unavailable. He was supposed to be one of three possible dominant closers in our bullpen (Gagne, Papelbon, Okajima). This is GAGNE'S fault, Ted.

 

I guess Francona's thinking... today's the day Gagne is gonna turn it around..

 

That guy seriously needs to find himself cause there is something not right with him, and Tito should have known better.

 

Tito vowed to stick with him, and I supported him at the time. Now, though, I would not stick him out there in a meaningful spot ever again. I don't blame Tito for tonight, I blame Gagne. However, if this is what Gagne gives us, and Tito continues to stick his ass out there, Tito will start being the foundation of my irritation.

 

Schil' date=' I'm pretty sure MDC or Timlin could have given us 1 inning without giving up more than 3 runs. Hell, I don't think either of them have given up more than 3 runs during any single outing thus far. Theres a reason why a save situations is a 3- run lead.[/quote']

 

I see what you're saying, but realize how you're being a little out of line here. The trade was made for us to be able to go to Gagne with confidence. It's obviously not working out. From here on out, if Tito goes to Gagne in a big spot, I will blame Tito. But tonight he should not be the target of our anger. When you calm down and think about it, I think you'll understand it.

[TedWilliams101]

I saw this coming a mile away. I was in Balt for the series and saw Gagne blow those 2 games. The second Paps went out for the 9th I just had a feeling Gagne would go out in a 1 run game and blow it. Well, he did. I warned about this 5 hours ago and look what f***ning happened. Most any reliever can get 3 outs without giving up 4 runs. No reason to hurt your bullpen for the second game when you don't need to. The "win right in front of you" is crap. you make a move in the day game of a DH to give you the best chance to win BOTH games. Thats what winning teams do.

[MANNYHOF24]

I'm sorry' date=' I don't think its smart to use your dominant closer in a 4 run lead during the first game of a DH. Its just f***ing stupid. And now your looking at the consequence. I saw this coming the second Tito let Paps go back out into the 9th earlier today.[/quote']

 

You are an absolute moron. Seriously, Papelbon came into a save situation he had allready warmed all the up. It's doughtful after that he would even be available tonight anyways. How the hell can Tito know whats going to happen in the night game you always take the win that's in front of you. Gange was 16-17 in Texas, and he looked like he turned the corner against Tampa. It wasn't Tito's fault at all, this was all on Gange not getting the job done, seriously you are the most negative Red Sox fan of all time so just stop the bitching about Tito who has done a pretty solid job this season.

[mtbykr]

Geez i flip on WEEI to hear the end of the jimmyfund radiothon and they are feeding FOX in and the guys are huge angels fans. Just what I need to hear

[TedWilliams101]

Schil, I understand what you are saying. But Gagne has been blowing game for 2 weeks now. A 1-run game is NOT the time to give Gagne a chance to get some confidence. I know Tito can't tell the future, but I just don't like using your closer when he wasn't needed and having to rely on a guy who has absolutely SUCKED for 2 weeks. If Gagne was fine, then yea, I wouldn't mind the move, but lets not kid ourselves, it isn't like no one saw this coming. Gagne hasn't done anything but give up runs and leads since joining us.

[schillingouttheks]

You have any tylenol migraine on you?

 

When Ted signed on, I finished the bottle. I should be knocked out in about an hour. Sorry.

 

Damn i know its just one game but it was right in our damn hands ' date=' whether or not tito made the right move, gagne should have made three outs. its all that losers gagnes faault.[/quote']

 

This is basically what I'm trying to say, Ted.

 

Tito coming out to argue the blown call was too little too late. HE could have effected the out come of this game hours ago.

 

Seriously. You're a broken record. Shut yourself off.

 

I didn't even see the beggining of the game' date=' and even I know your an idiot![/quote']

 

I will never argue with you ever, ever again.

 

I saw this coming a mile away. I was in Balt for the series and saw Gagne blow those 2 games. The second Paps went out for the 9th I just had a feeling Gagne would go out in a 1 run game and blow it. Well' date=' he did. I warned about this 5 hours ago and look what f***ning happened. Most any reliever can get 3 outs without giving up 4 runs. No reason to hurt your bullpen for the second game when you don't need to. The "win right in front of you" is crap. you make a move in the day game of a DH to give you the best chance to win BOTH games. Thats what winning teams do.[/quote']

 

I can't believe it. I was at the latter of those two games. I wish I saw you squirming.

 

You are an absolute moron. Seriously' date=' Papelbon came into a save situation he had allready warmed all the up. It's doughtful after that he would even be available tonight anyways. How the hell can Tito know whats going to happen in the night game you always take the win that's in front of you. Gange was 16-17 in Texas, and he looked like he turned the corner against Tampa. It wasn't Tito's fault at all, this was all on Gange not getting the job done, seriously you are the most negative Red Sox fan of all time so just stop the bitching about Tito who has done a pretty solid job this season.[/quote']

 

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU!!!

[schillingouttheks]

Schil' date=' I understand what you are saying. But Gagne has been blowing game for 2 weeks now. A 1-run game is NOT the time to give Gagne a chance to get some confidence. I know Tito can't tell the future, but I just don't like using your closer when he wasn't needed and having to rely on a guy who has absolutely SUCKED for 2 weeks. If Gagne was fine, then yea, I wouldn't mind the move, but lets not kid ourselves, it isn't like no one saw this coming. Gagne hasn't done anything but give up runs and leads since joining us.[/quote']

 

Did you see the game against Tampa? Because I saw a guy that struck out the side. Sure, he gave up a double, but he looked MUCH better. I don't fault Tito for having confidence in him.

[riverside sluggers]

Back to a 5 game lead

 

Tomorrow is Curt Schilling vs Jered Weaver. Varitek worked the DH so Cash will get the start behind the plate. Ellsbury down, Kielty called up. Win tomorrow f***ers because Tavarez is starting on Sunday. Honestly Ill be happy with a split. Then the Sox play the next 7 games against the likes of Tampa Bay and Chicago

[TedWilliams101]

Not in a 1-run game. If you really want to give Gagne a chance to get some confidence and play it safe, send him out in the 9th of the 1st game where he has a 4-run lead. What ever. I saw this coming 5 hours ago and im about to throw up.

 

Re: August 17th vs. Angels - Game 1

If we blow a lead after Beckett leaves tonight, I'm gonna throw up and aim at Tito. MDC should be on the mound right now.

[mtbykr]

The one problem I have with Tito is that he didn't get someone up (timlin) ealier. It was obvious from the start that Gagne didn't have it. He would either miss badly or throw a meatball. He couldn't get his changeup over the plate (except for the vlad hit)......and every pitch the angels hit was right over the heart

[mtbykr]

Not in a 1-run game. If you really want to give Gagne a chance to get some confidence and play it safe, send him out in the 9th of the 1st game where he has a 4-run lead. What ever. I saw this coming 5 hours ago and im about to throw up.

 

Re: August 17th vs. Angels - Game 1

If we blow a lead after Beckett leaves tonight, I'm gonna throw up and aim at Tito. MDC should be on the mound right now.

 

The irony of all of this is that if Tito would have brought in Timlin instead of Gagne and he blew it.....you would be here ripping him for not bringing in Gagne after Gagne turned the corner

[MANNYHOF24]

Schil' date=' I understand what you are saying. But Gagne has been blowing game for 2 weeks now. A 1-run game is NOT the time to give Gagne a chance to get some confidence. I know Tito can't tell the future, but I just don't like using your closer when he wasn't needed and having to rely on a guy who has absolutely SUCKED for 2 weeks. If Gagne was fine, then yea, I wouldn't mind the move, but lets not kid ourselves, it isn't like no one saw this coming. Gagne hasn't done anything but give up runs and leads since joining us.[/quote']

 

Hey, do you understand with the way they are being careful with Papelbon this year? With him warming up and coming into the game he probably still wouldn't be available seeing on how the game was 3 hours later. Tito was right to bring him into the 8th and he was right to let him finish the game. Paps hasn't had a lot of work and this was a good time to make sure he didn't get rusty, which absolutely has happened with Jonathan this season. With the pitching matchup to start game 2 Tito probably thought there was a good chance there may not even be a save situation. If Tito had taken Papelbon out in after the eighth and say Timlin had come in and blown it, you would be calling for Tito's head in that game. Let's face you are not the brightest person on this board. (Neither am I BTW).

[schillingouttheks]

Not in a 1-run game. If you really want to give Gagne a chance to get some confidence and play it safe, send him out in the 9th of the 1st game where he has a 4-run lead. What ever. I saw this coming 5 hours ago and im about to throw up.

 

Re: August 17th vs. Angels - Game 1

If we blow a lead after Beckett leaves tonight, I'm gonna throw up and aim at Tito. MDC should be on the mound right now.

 

Papelbon hasn't pitched in like forever. How the hell does Tito know that he's even going to need Papelbon in the night game? Seriously dude, get off the soap box. You're the ONLY one that's blaming Tito.

[MANNYHOF24]

Back to a 5 game lead

 

Tomorrow is Curt Schilling vs Jered Weaver. Varitek worked the DH so Cash will get the start behind the plate. Ellsbury down, Kielty called up. Win tomorrow f***ers because Tavarez is starting on Sunday. Honestly Ill be happy with a split. Then the Sox play the next 7 games against the likes of Tampa Bay and Chicago

 

Why does Tavarez have to start on Sunday? If they are so concerned that Wake will suck again vs. the Angels why not just bump Lester up instead of putting Tavarez out there, which will almost gaurantee a loss?

[TedWilliams101]

If Paps can't warm up, throw 2 pitches, then warm up 5 hours later and throw 1 inning, his arm is too f***ing weak. K-rod went what 2 2/3 innings tonight? I think Paps can throw 2 pitches in a day game then 1 inning in a night game 5 hours later. Paps is an athlete, he could have easily done it, but Tito is babying him WAY too much.

[schillingouttheks]

Why does Tavarez have to start on Sunday? If they are so concerned that Wake will suck again vs. the Angels why not just bump Lester up instead of putting Tavarez out there' date=' which will almost gaurantee a loss?[/quote']

 

It's more that they want to bump Wake back to Monday so that he can face the D-Rays (he's ridiculous against them in his career).

[TedWilliams101]

Its just frustrating. I saw this coming. Gagne isn't the same guy he was 3 years ago. Tito better at least keep Gagne away from close games. Back to Jima for the 8th and Paps for the 9th. If it ain't broken, don't fix it.

[schillingouttheks]

If Paps can't warm up' date=' throw 2 pitches, then warm up 5 hours later and throw 1 inning, his arm is too f***ing weak. K-rod went what 2 2/3 innings tonight? I think Paps can throw 2 pitches in a day game then 1 inning in a night game 5 hours later. Paps is an athlete, he could have easily done it, but Tito is babying him WAY too much.[/quote']

 

Explain to me how letting him pitch 4 outs in the first game is babying him.

 

Ted, honestly, drop it. You're arguing from a position that no one else holds. Tito was right in every single move he made today. Period. End of story.

[TedWilliams101]

I'm gonna go throw up in a box and ship it to Tito.

[schillingouttheks]

Its just frustrating. I saw this coming. Gagne isn't the same guy he was 3 years ago. Tito better at least keep Gagne away from close games. Back to Jima for the 8th and Paps for the 9th.

 

From this point forward, I agree with what you're saying. No one's arguing against the fact that Gagne should not be trusted in late innings anymore. However, I think Tito made the correct calls today. You don't.

[schillingouttheks]

I'm gonna go throw up in a box and ship it to Tito.

 

I wish I could s*** in a box and ship it to you.

[riverside sluggers]

What did you sing as a kid? Well when you were younger

 

"This is the song that never ends..."

[TedWilliams101]

Look at it this way Schil. If I had managed the DH today, we would have won both games.

[MANNYHOF24]

Not in a 1-run game. If you really want to give Gagne a chance to get some confidence and play it safe, send him out in the 9th of the 1st game where he has a 4-run lead. What ever. I saw this coming 5 hours ago and im about to throw up.

 

Re: August 17th vs. Angels - Game 1

If we blow a lead after Beckett leaves tonight, I'm gonna throw up and aim at Tito. MDC should be on the mound right now.

 

Say Tito had used MDC, and say Beckett get's knocked around early however, we battle back and it's a game of the bulpens. I would feel much more confidant with MDC available in a game like that because Papelbon was in the game in game 1 and he was not going to be allowed in game under any circumstances. I don't think Tito was wrong at all, however I do feel that it probably wouldn't have been a terrible thing to let Paps pitch again tonight as well. I am tired of the kid gloves.

[MANNYHOF24]

Look at it this way Schil. If I had managed the DH today' date=' we would have won both games.[/quote']

 

Just go away, seriously.

[MANNYHOF24]

It's more that they want to bump Wake back to Monday so that he can face the D-Rays (he's ridiculous against them in his career).

 

True, but why not just bump Lester up? It would still be regular rest. Lester probably gives us a better chance to win than Julian who has not pitched well since early June.

[schillingouttheks]

Look at it this way Schil. If I had managed the DH today' date=' we would have won both games.[/quote']

 

Yeah, because you knew 100% that we were going to need Papelbon in game 2 when you were watching game 1. And while you're probably right, you're using hindsight. It's 20/20 you know. You really like to abuse it.

[schillingouttheks]

True' date=' but why not just bump Lester up? It would still be regular rest. Lester probably gives us a better chance to win than Julian who has not pitched well since early June.[/quote']

 

Oh, right. I forgot about the day off. You're probably right in that they should just do that. I don't know why either.