Clemens suspended 5 games, Torre for 1

[redsoxrules]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7107624

[Youk Of The Nation]

You know, when it comes to suspensions I never thought it was fair for pitchers versus position players. When a player gets suspended for five games, they miss five starts. When a pitcher does, they miss one, or with an off day, none. If you're going to suspend a pitcher, suspend him for two starts instead of five games or something.

[ORS]

They suspend pitchers for 5 knowing they will only miss one.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Yeah thats the problem. They should miss at least two or three like position players have to.

[Optimist]

Ridiculous. How about the pitcher that actually hurt the batter and started the whole thing gets something as well? Or MLB worries about something actually important?

[Youk Of The Nation]

Clemens hit Rios AFTER the warnings. Thems the rules.

[jacksonianmarch]

Clemens will appeal and they will likely reduce it by one game. Hence, I dont think this screws us up at all.

[MDF3530]

Rocket has always been a bit of a headhunter.

[yeszir]

So Clemens is suspended for sucking so badly, right?

[jacksonianmarch]

So Clemens is suspended for sucking so badly' date=' right?[/quote']

 

I'm surprised yankees228 hasnt made a post about his disappointment in the rocket and that this one suspension makes him the suckiest pitcher on the staff.

[das11209]

Hopefully we get to see Igawa pitch again - who actually may not be worse than Clemens at this point.

[jacksonianmarch]

aside from one start, clemens has been dynamite.

 

(I think I put this quote in another thread, let me find it.)

[das11209]

aside from one start, clemens has been dynamite.

 

(I think I put this quote in another thread, let me find it.)

 

I don't know anymore - all the fierce aces( Wang, Clemens, Hughes) are sucking bigtime in some starts. I know the bats are dynamite for the Yankees - but do they have a sure shot starting pitcher any more? What if that 1 start is a Game 5/ Game 7 in the playoff?

[redsoxrules]

aside from one start, clemens has been dynamite.

 

(I think I put this quote in another thread, let me find it.)

 

except from 1 start? WTF

 

he's had 5 s***** starts

 

june 21 colorado

june 27 baltimore

july 13 tampa bay

july 28 baltimore

august 02 chicago

 

he's had 3 good start

 

june 09 pittsburg

june 15 NY mets

july 18 toronto

 

and he's had 4 great start

 

july 02 minesota

july 07 LA angels

july 23 kansas city

august 07 toronto

 

i wouldn't call him being dynamite

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

I don't know anymore - all the fierce aces( Wang' date=' Clemens, Hughes) are sucking bigtime in some starts. I know the bats are dynamite for the Yankees - but do they have a sure shot starting pitcher any more? What if that 1 start is a Game 5/ Game 7 in the playoff?[/quote']

 

Clemens has had 1 bad start, and Wang 1. I wouldn't worry too much yet. If you look at quality starts this season (see below), there really isn't too much difference between the yankee 'aces' and the Sox aces. Hughes is young and cannot be expected to be a 'fierce ace' just yet. Besides, he probably wouldn't even start a playoff game unless there was an injury.

 

Quality starts this season:

 

Pettitte 15 (24 starts)

Matsuzaka 15(23 starts)

Beckett 14 (21 starts)

Wang 13 (21 starts)

 

*Clemens, Hughes do not have enough starts to make the list.

[redsoxrules]

Clemens has had 1 bad start, and Wang 1. I wouldn't worry too much yet. If you look at quality starts this season (see below), there really isn't too much difference between the yankee 'aces' and the Sox aces. Hughes is young and cannot be expected to be a 'fierce ace' just yet. Besides, he probably wouldn't even start a playoff game unless there was an injury.

 

Quality starts this season:

 

Pettitte 15 (24 starts)

Matsuzaka 15(23 starts)

Beckett 14 (21 starts)

Wang 13 (21 starts)

 

*Clemens, Hughes do not have enough starts to make the list.

 

your being generous with pettitte , i give him 12 at the most , actually i have him at 11

 

actaully this is what i came up with

 

beckett (15)

dice k (15)

wang (11)

pettitte(11)

[das11209]

I think of late those quality starts for the Yankee pitchers have been few and far between - but the bats have picked them up nicely. I still find it hard to swallow that Clemens did not get a loss in his outing against the white sox after giving up 8 runs in the second innings.

[jacksonianmarch]

actually, of the last 10 games, our starters have put up 6 QS's. 60% is not too bad from an entire staff. It is just that the other 4 games were assisted with massive offense as well. You put up a QS when your team is scoring 6,7,8 runs a game in stretches, then those are victories.

[jacksonianmarch]

your being generous with pettitte , i give him 12 at the most , actually i have him at 11

 

actaully this is what i came up with

 

beckett (15)

dice k (15)

wang (11)

pettitte(11)

 

Who cares how many they have had, the big deal is the QS percentage since most of the yankee pitchers have missed some time. Here it is..

 

Beckett 67%

Matsuzaka 65%

Pettitte 63%

Wang 62%

Clemens 58%

Mussina 53%

Schilling 50%

Wakefield 48%

[jacksonianmarch]

And considering the top 4 in each rotation right now (As Hughes and Lester have only made 3 starts apiece)

 

BOS

48 for 83

57.8%

 

NYY

45 for 76

59.2%

 

Pretty damn similar if you ask me.

[redsoxrules]

Who cares how many they have had, the big deal is the QS percentage since most of the yankee pitchers have missed some time. Here it is..

 

Beckett 67%

Matsuzaka 65%

Pettitte 63%

Wang 62%

Clemens 58%

Mussina 53%

Schilling 50%

Wakefield 48%

 

beckett and wang both have 21 starts pettite has 24 and dice k 23

 

 

so QS percentage

beckett 71

dicek 65

wang52

pettitte 45

[das11209]

'Quality starts' could be a matter of opinion :

 

July 29th vs Baltimore W 10-6 Wang 6 IP 9H 3ER

July 31st vs Chicago W 16-3 Mussina 6IP 6H 3ER

Aug 1st vs Chicago W 8-1 Pettitte 7IP 6H 1ER

Aug 2nd vs Chicago L 13-9 Clemens 1.2 IP 9 H 3ER

Aug 3rd vs KC W 7-1 Wang 7IP 7H 1ER

Aug 4th vs KC W 16-8 Hughes 4.2IP 7H 6ER

Aug 5th vs KC W 8-5 Mussina 6IP 9H 2ER

Aug 6th vs Toronto W 5-4 Pettitte 5.3IP 6H 3ER

Aug 7th vs Toronto W 9-2 Clemens 6IP 2H 1ER

AUG 8TH vs Toronto L 15-4 Wang 2.2IP 9H 8ER.

 

Most important part is they are 8-2 as the offence scored 107 runs ( 10.7 runs/game). The only ace like outing in my opinion was by Clemens vs Toronto on 7th. The rest (July 31st, Aug 1st and Aug 3rd) was decent at best considering the opponent they faced and the number of hits they gave up.

 

All I am saying is the starting pitching has been anything but great of late - but they are winning with their offence anyway - do you disagree? Obviously if the offence can maintain these kind of momentum against far better teams - Yankees will have no problem making the play-off irrespective of pitching.

[jacksonianmarch]

beckett and wang both have 21 starts pettite has 24 and dice k 23

 

so QS percentage

beckett 71

dicek 65

wang52

pettitte 45

 

check ESPN.com, they have the QS's listed and the QS%. Your %ages are way off.

[jacksonianmarch]

'Quality starts' could be a matter of opinion :

 

July 29th vs Baltimore W 10-6 Wang 6 IP 9H 3ER

July 31st vs Chicago W 16-3 Mussina 6IP 6H 3ER

Aug 1st vs Chicago W 8-1 Pettitte 7IP 6H 1ER

Aug 2nd vs Chicago L 13-9 Clemens 1.2 IP 9 H 3ER

Aug 3rd vs KC W 7-1 Wang 7IP 7H 1ER

Aug 4th vs KC W 16-8 Hughes 4.2IP 7H 6ER

Aug 5th vs KC W 8-5 Mussina 6IP 9H 2ER

Aug 6th vs Toronto W 5-4 Pettitte 5.3IP 6H 3ER

Aug 7th vs Toronto W 9-2 Clemens 6IP 2H 1ER

AUG 8TH vs Toronto L 15-4 Wang 2.2IP 9H 8ER.

 

Most important part is they are 8-2 as the offence scored 107 runs ( 10.7 runs/game). The only ace like outing in my opinion was by Clemens vs Toronto on 7th. The rest (July 31st, Aug 1st and Aug 3rd) was decent at best considering the opponent they faced and the number of hits they gave up.

 

All I am saying is the starting pitching has been anything but great of late - but they are winning with their offence anyway - do you disagree? Obviously if the offence can maintain these kind of momentum against far better teams - Yankees will have no problem making the play-off irrespective of pitching.

 

Their pitching has been respectable, their offense has been unbelievable. When the pitching has been bad, they have been really bad. When they have been good, which is most of the time, they have been pretty good.

[redsoxrules]

check ESPN.com' date=' they have the QS's listed and the QS%. Your %ages are way off.[/quote']

 

it all depends on how you rate a QS , theres no f***ing way pettitte should be at 63 , look at his game log

[jacksonianmarch]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/pitching?split=0&league=al&season=2007&seasonType=2&sort=QSPct&type=pitch2&ageMin=17&ageMax=51&state=0&college=0&country=0&hand=a&pos=all

 

here is the link.

 

Beckett is 12th in the AL at 67%

Matsuzaka is 14th in the AL at 65%

Pettitte is 19th in the AL at 63%

Wang is 21st at 62%

Clemens is 26th at 58%

Mussina is 33rd at 53%

Schilling is 37th at 50%

Wakefield is 51st at 48%

[jacksonianmarch]

it all depends on how you rate a QS ' date=' theres no f***ing way pettitte should be at 63 , look at his game log[/quote']

 

How you rate a quality start? A quality start is 6+IP with 3 or less runs. It is an actual stat.

[redsoxrules]

How you rate a quality start? A quality start is 6+IP with 3 or less runs. It is an actual stat.

 

so lets say pettitte pitches 6 innings and allows 8 hits and walks 3 batters and allows 3 runs , you would call that a QS ? i wouldn't, i know its a stat but i dont find it a good one cause it dosent consider all the runners you let on base , runs only

[das11209]

And quality start does not take account of the opponent also - if they are good or they really suck.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

so lets say pettitte pitches 6 innings and allows 8 hits and walks 3 batters and allows 3 runs ' date=' you would call that a QS ? i wouldn't, i know its a stat but i dont find it a good one cause it dosent consider all the runners you let on base , runs only[/quote']

 

I wouldn't either but it's not just something he is saying, it's a real stat.