Sox after Jermaine Dye?

[BSN07]

Having Dye means you can plug him in in LF,RF,DH. This give Manny, Papi and Drew rest down the stretch and keep them fresh. Drew might even beable to play some CF and put Dye in RF to give Coco time off. This is a good move. It's a nice insurance plan.

[Rdsxmbnt]

if theres another deal that lands Dotel for murphy or something than it would be a pretty good deal (DONT deal Masterson), id be ok with dealin MDC.

[Cocos Disciples]

Does Drew sit on the bench if we get him?

[BSN07]

I think Papi is ailing a little more then hes showing. maybe he goes on DL, The Dye will probably rotate between LF,RF and DH for the 5 days the guranteed him.

 

Kind of what the patriots do with the lineman. rotate them to keep the fresh for later in the season and PO.

[BoSox21]

I think Papi is ailing a little more then hes showing. maybe he goes on DL, The Dye will probably rotate between LF,RF and DH for the 5 days the guranteed him.

 

Kind of what the patriots do with the lineman. rotate them to keep the fresh for later in the season and PO.

 

thats exactly what I'm thinking they'll do with Dye but if MDC is a part of this deal, they'd better follow up with a deal with a good righty reliever cause with Donnelly out and Timlin's wonky shoulder, all they'd be left with is Tavarez and Snyder

[redsoxrules]

wasent to crazy about the dye trade idea at first , but when i saw ortiz's numbers against lefty pitchers and the fact we could get him without giving much, i definitley like the idea

[Cityofchampions33]

According to boston.com, the Sox are balking at giving up Masterson, which makes no sense to me, seeing as if Dye does leave he will give us a compensation pick back, and the fact that Masterson isn't in our top tier of pitching prospects. Seems like the Sox and the Yanks are overvauluing their prospects this deadline, and it's killed a few deals.

If we do get Dye though, it would be great to have him here to refresh Manny, Drew, and Ortiz. IMO we should start Dye over Drew, but I'm not sure how Tito will think about this.

[Rdsxmbnt]

Masterson IS in the top tier of our prospects

[Khan]

Dye for MDC and WMP = Nancy Drew is the highest paid water girl in the majors.

[Cityofchampions33]

Masterson IS in the top tier of our prospects

 

Let me re-phrase, he's not Buchholz, Lester or Bowden.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

Having Dye means you can plug him in in LF' date='RF,DH. This give Manny, Papi and Drew rest down the stretch and keep them fresh. Drew might even beable to play some CF and put Dye in RF to give Coco time off. This is a good move. It's a nice insurance plan.[/quote']

 

Agreed...especially since right now, I have a more valuable arm than Hansen. It's not much to give up for a guy who, if he continues to find his stroke as it looks like he has been, is going to be a juggernaut. Plus, he has post-season experience which is good as well.

[schillingouttheks]

Agreed...especially since right now' date=' I have a more valuable arm than Hansen. It's not much to give up for a guy who, if he continues to find his stroke as it looks like he has been, is going to be a juggernaut. Plus, he has post-season experience which is good as well.[/quote']

 

I don't see Hansen's name in the deal. It's WMP and Bowden/Masterson for Dye, right?

[schillingouttheks]

He may be as highly regarded as Bowden at this point.

[Khan]

I thought it was WMP & MDC/Masterson.

[mtbykr]

WEEI just reported that it's ceranno and either MDC or Masterson.

[mtbykr]

I just posted in another thread (which is basically the same thing). WEEI just reported it's either MDC or Masterson with Ceranno.

[ksushi]

definitely not worth masterson or our right handed set up man to get a bench player which is essentially what he will be.

[mtbykr]

definitely not worth masterson or our right handed set up man to get a bench player which is essentially what he will be.

 

i think he will play more, since that's part of the deal for him to waive his "no trade"....i think drew will become the bench guy. He is set to be a FA though.

 

 

 

EDIT: might want to change your sig, Lugo is playing great!

[riverside sluggers]

Previous reports had the Sox guaranteeing Dye at most 5 days a week of playing time. Masterson yes I would do. One of the reasons you build good pitching depth is that they are also good trade bait. I like Theo's hold on his young talent but cm,on not everyone of these guys will make the rotation and bullpen

 

Gordon Edes

There is a decent chance that the Red Sox will not make a substantive deal before tomorrow's 4 p.m. deadline, but stay tuned.

 

Ooh such warm feelings. That would be 3 straight years the Sox stand pat with what they have

[BSN07]

Last updated: 07/30

Dye's price too high for now

A major league source told the Globe's Gordon Edes on Monday that the price tag remained too high on a deal that would bring Jermaine Dye to Boston: "Remember, these situations are fluid, but while the White Sox remain hopeful of persuading the Sox to make a deal for outfielder Jermaine Dye, the price remains too high for Boston. Chicago would take Wily Mo Pena but want either Manny Delcarmen or Justin Masterson. The Red Sox will not part with either for a rent-a-player like Dye, who is eligible for free agency after the season. There is a decent chance that the Red Sox will not make a substantive deal before tomorrow's 4 p.m. deadline, but stay tuned."

[Cocos Disciples]

Good. I don't like this deal with MDC/Masterson. Unless Ortiz's injury is really bad, it seems pointless to me.

[BSN07]

I'd go for Masterson and WMP. Masterson isn't a top tier talent like Lester/Buchholz/Bowden. This a move that doesn't send our best prospects off, and helps us for a Championship run this season without comprimising the future of the team.

 

Plus Dye is worth 1/1s or 2 1s if they offer him arbitration and he denies, which he would most likely do.

[ORS]

The Sox are waiting it out. They want to do this without MDC or Masterson, and the deadline isn't until 4 pm tomorrow, so expect them to 11th hour it.

 

Couple of things. I don't want them to, or think they will, go for MDC unless they can trade for a replacement. He's, despite yesterday, shown his value, and you can't trade away a reliable BP arm when you are in GFIN mode. Masterson will be a bitter pill to swallow, but I can accept it because I think Ortiz is more hurt than has been reported. He's looked good because he's hitting the ball, but he just isn't the same. Not Papi good. Do this now, move Manny to DH, and get Ortiz surgery yesterday. It's supposed to be a 4-6 week recovery period, so there's even time for a hiccup to get him back by October. With Dye swinging a hot stick, our good staff, the 8 game lead, and the soft schedule (~.480 Opponent W% from here on out) I think they can manage to bring it home without him.

 

What I think they can't recover from is Ortiz getting hurt on Aug 1 with no replacement. I don't think WMP can approximate what a good Dye will bring.

[hoke3182]

Previous reports had the Sox guaranteeing Dye at most 5 days a week of playing time. Masterson yes I would do. One of the reasons you build good pitching depth is that they are also good trade bait. I like Theo's hold on his young talent but cm,on not everyone of these guys will make the rotation and bullpen

 

Gordon Edes

 

 

Ooh such warm feelings. That would be 3 straight years the Sox stand pat with what they have

 

I totally agree with you, what are the chances that all these pitchers are going to be succesful at the mlb level? Not that great. I've always supported Theo, but we could definitely use a boost this playoff run, he better do something.

[TheKilo]

Theo really should not drag his heel in on this one, but maybe he can throw in Lowrie to get this deal done?

 

WMP/Lowrie/Pauley? Is that enough?

 

Anyways, he really needs to do all he can to get this deal done because it's great injury insurance for Ortiz and Ramirez and our lineup becomes the best in the AL.

 

edit - I would give up Masterson to do this BTW.

[riverside sluggers]

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-070730soxbits,1,7017262.story?coll=cs-home-headlines

 

Always down to the deadline. The talks were still ongoing with Theo offering players (not MDC & Masterson) along with Wily Mo Pena. Kenny Williams will sleep on it ande decide what to do as the trade deadline comes closer

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/07/31/some_life_to_a_deal_for_dye/

The White Sox did create an open spot on their 40-man roster when they placed catcher Gustavo Molina on waivers, which could be interpreted as a prelude to a deal in which Chicago would receive multiple players in return. Molina was claimed by the Orioles.

[jacksonianmarch]

The could mean 2 players from the sox 40 man. MDC and Hansen?

 

Or it could mean the white sox are in the midst of another deal with another team, maybe Garland.

 

IMO, the sox have to deal Dye. With the season he is having, he may be at most a type B FA which wont give them much in terms of compensation. And with the sox being an older team with nowhere to go but down offensively, getting a guy like WMP could be a very solid move. At the same time, their pen is atrocious, so they would need an upgrade there as well.

[BSN07]

Jacko, the draft picks are based on the latest 2 seasons I believe. He is a type A and will net 1/1s or 2 1/s drat picks. He is very valuable draft pick wise.

[hoke3182]

Just a hunch, but I say this deal get's done.

[jacksonianmarch]

Jacko' date=' the draft picks are based on the latest 2 seasons I believe. He is a type A and will net 1/1s or 2 1/s drat picks. He is very valuable draft pick wise.[/quote']

 

ahh, forgot about that rule. I know they made sweeping changes to the comp list.

 

So, therefore, the sox would need to deal them the equivalent of 2 top 50 picks for them to break even and then would need to negotiate for their advantage. This makes it trickier.

 

I still think WMP is the center of that package, but now that you put it that way, I dont see how they could not deal Delcarmen for him. I think Masterson has to be on the table in the Gagne deal, or else he'd be considered in Delcarmen's stead.