Is A-Rod a dirty player?

[jacksonianmarch]

I don't know who dropped the ball but whoever it was should be ashamed of

A. missing a routine pop up.

B. blaming it on an opposing player.

 

This happens many times during a season and the only time this would turn into a big fiasco is when it's A-Rod.

 

If manny did this, everyone would be saying, "Oh, that's just manny being manny.", and they'd be praising him.

 

Baseball is a game of the mind and everytime you can get a mental advantage on your opponent, it will always work in your favor. What about in the NBA, when players scream or yell during an opponent's shot or when a player will walk up to another and try to jinx him before a free throw. There's a mental side to sports and A-Rod used it to his advantage in this instance.

 

 

up goes the rep, solid post.

[TheKilo]

Fernando Vina is the first I've heard saying it happens everyday. The newspapers and radio shows all had quotes from big leaguers saying they haven't seen it since they were kids. And, if this happens all the time, why have I never, not even once, seen it happen on a broadcast.

 

Hell, if it's something that happens every day, why did he lie to cover it up? What's to hide? Clark heard, "Mine", and tape looks like that is what he said, but ARod covers it up with, "I said HA". And, lots of no comments, or I don't know about that, from his teammates postgame. If this is so normal, why didn't he say, "Yeah, I did it, and I'm glad it worked", and why didn't his teammates say, "Good stuff, I can't believe it worked." No, everyone was acting like there was something to be afraid of. I can understand why you like the "win at all costs" mentality. It's nice to know they care about the outcome. That said, this was bush league. Not as bad or blantant as the slap, but it was bush.

 

B-I-N-G-O

[schillingouttheks]

Is it just me or does it seem like BoSox34 likes to ballwash the Yanks for some reason?

 

BoSox, this doesn't happen all the time. It just doesn't. It doesn't even happen in high school as much anymore. Everyone on this board, minus one or two, have said it hasn't happened to them. Yeah, he should have caught the ball, but for some reason it seems like you love to glorify the Yanks despite your Red Sox fandom. Am I the only person that's noticed this?

 

Anyway, what ORS said is right on the money.

[BoSox34]

Is it just me or does it seem like BoSox34 likes to ballwash the Yanks for some reason?

 

BoSox, this doesn't happen all the time. It just doesn't. It doesn't even happen in high school as much anymore. Everyone on this board, minus one or two, have said it hasn't happened to them. Yeah, he should have caught the ball, but for some reason it seems like you love to glorify the Yanks despite your Red Sox fandom. Am I the only person that's noticed this?

 

Anyway, what ORS said is right on the money.

 

First of all, read this: http://www.talksox.com/forum/fights-crap/8756-yankees-suck.html

 

I give credit where credit is due and I like to have a balanced perspective. Some people are taking this thing way too far. Baseball is a mental game. Show me in the rule book where it says that yelling at an opposing player is foribdden...that's what I thought.

[schillingouttheks]

Good God. Here we go with the rules thing again. No one's saying it was CHEATING. No one. That was made clear many times. But it's a lack of maturity and common decency. Even some of the Yankees fans on here are saying it was poor judgment. Are you saying A-Rod was right to do it? Can you tell me why every Yankee is acting like it's a big secret and why A-Rod lied about what he yelled? What's the big secret here? If it's not a big deal, why are the Yankees themselves treating it like it is?

 

And you're blaming Clark for being pissed at A-Rod for yelling "MINE" at him? If it was done to you and you messed it up, you'd plant blame on him as well and be pissed.

 

I'm not saying you've never actually shown hatred for the Yankees, it's just that when they were doing well it seemed like you were all over their dicks praising their ability and achievements. It was never just a "good job," it was always like a "wow, Sox fans who chant Yankees suck are stupid because the Yankees are the best team in baseball year after year."

[ORS]

Actually, a strict application of the rules, which as we all know rarely happens, firmly puts ARod in the wrong.

 

INTERFERENCE

(a) Offensive interference is an act by the team at bat which interferes with, obstructs, impedes, hinders or confuses any fielder attempting to make a play....

 

MLB Official Rules - 2.00 Definition of Terms

[TheKilo]

Actually, a strict application of the rules, which as we all know rarely happens, firmly puts ARod in the wrong.

 

 

 

MLB Official Rules - 2.00 Definition of Terms

 

Yeah I was just gonna post that.

[yeszir]

Actually, a strict application of the rules, which as we all know rarely happens, firmly puts ARod in the wrong.

 

 

 

MLB Official Rules - 2.00 Definition of Terms

 

Well then it appears like he did in fact break the rules.

[BoSox34]

Actually, a strict application of the rules, which as we all know rarely happens, firmly puts ARod in the wrong.

 

 

 

MLB Official Rules - 2.00 Definition of Terms

 

Interesting...the only way I'd say this was dirty is if it broke the rules, which appearently it did.

[BoSox34]

"wow' date=' Sox fans who chant Yankees suck are stupid because the Yankees are the best team in baseball year after year."[/quote']

 

It's a personal pet peeve of mine when sox fans would chant that when they were 12 games back in September, it just made the Red Sox nation as a whole look unintelligent but we shouldn't have to worry about that for a while, so sox fans can chant all they want.

[Bam-Tino]

Well any player knows that a player outside the baselines gets called at. Meaning foul balls, the opposite team yells at you, as do fans.. Come on, to say Ha is nothing.. If you were concentrating as Howie Clark should have been, it never would have been an issue. He got played and now they are pissed. They all do it, this is the first it's actually come into to notice...

[kyahbean]

I don't care who did it, what team they play for, whether it's against the rules, or whether it's in the f***ing rulebook that it's OK to do. It's dirty! And even if he was supposedly yelling "HA!" why the hell was he yelling on the baseline? As far as I remember all the years I have been watching/playing baseball, part of baserunning is not yelling. Plain and simple.

[schillingouttheks]

Well then, he did break the rules. Even better.

 

Whatever. I don't care anymore. The league knows that A-Rod's a dirty player, and next time he faces a Toronto pitcher you can guarantee he'll be thrown at. I'm looking forward to it.

 

I'm also getting confused by all the people who say this happens all the time. Are you on the field? Do you know what happens? I've been on the field many times playing high school ball and sure, opposing fans will yell but players on the field don't. It just doesn't happen. It happens all the time when you're playing a fun pick-up game and messing around, but it does NOT happen all the time on the professional level.

[Mr Crunchy]

i dunno if dirty is the word as much as pussy that applies here

the man made an agressive move at tek and ate the mitt which turned that game and the entire season around

in the pennant he pulled the slap s*** with arroyo further looking like a f***ing dork

then last week the pedroia thing was really cheese dick but in the spirit of agressive play most of us dismissed it

last nite was just sad

 

we all know a guy like arod

the talented kid with the frail psyche who can be talked out of his game very easy or at least teased till he went home crying

 

april seems so long ago when the bronx faithfull were advising us that bonds record will be temporary and arod was going to win the mvp triple crown and hit 80hrs this year

[Thumper]

Well then, he did break the rules. Even better.

 

Whatever. I don't care anymore. The league knows that A-Rod's a dirty player, and next time he faces a Toronto pitcher you can guarantee he'll be thrown at. I'm looking forward to it.

 

Same here. Then I'm gonna laugh when A-Rod whines like a little bitch over it and try to go at the pitcer, then get his ass handed to him by the catcher. Seems familiar eh?

[schillingouttheks]

Same here. Then I'm gonna laugh when A-Rod whines like a little bitch over it and try to go at the pitcer' date=' then get his ass handed to him by the catcher. Seems familiar eh?[/quote']

 

Yeah, I just don't want Toronto's season to turn around and have them end up as world champs

[Thumper]

Yeah' date=' I just don't want Toronto's season to turn around and have them end up as world champs [/quote']

 

Good point. Let's just keep it to the fight part then.

[Cityofchampions33]

I don't know who dropped the ball but whoever it was should be ashamed of

A. missing a routine pop up.

B. blaming it on an opposing player.

 

This happens many times during a season and the only time this would turn into a big fiasco is when it's A-Rod.

 

If manny did this, everyone would be saying, "Oh, that's just manny being manny.", and they'd be praising him.

 

Baseball is a game of the mind and everytime you can get a mental advantage on your opponent, it will always work in your favor. What about in the NBA, when players scream or yell during an opponent's shot or when a player will walk up to another and try to jinx him before a free throw. There's a mental side to sports and A-Rod used it to his advantage in this instance.

 

Clark has nothing to be ashamed of besides being fooled. He didn't miss the routine pop up, it's not like dropped it by accident, he walked away thinking a teammate said "Mine". I honestly think this entire thing is not a big deal at all, because there are many reasons Clark still shouldv'e had it. I mean you think he would

a) Know the difference btw McDonald and ARod's voices,

and process that it wouldn't make any sense for anotehr player to call him off (assuming this play is very enar or close to 3rd base, I haven't seen the tape yet).

Still though, you can't compare it to anotehr player in the NBA distracting anotehr during a shot, as calling for the ball is meant for safety purposes, if this false 'Mine" thing turned into a regular thing, there would be far more collisions, and honestly isn't something that should be messed with.

[Mr Crunchy]

dicking around in baberuth ball i screamed I GOT IT when i was in right field to a ball hit to the left fielder....i ran for the rest of practice,seemed like 25 miles

 

its a no no

[Mr Crunchy]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2007/06/01/2007-06-01_yankee_image_is_now_ajoke.html

 

wow

the dwarfed smarmy mother f***er mike lupica just ripping arod a new colon

[kyahbean]

I just watched a video that showed the play, and then a quick clip of him after. He just kept repeating "it's been done to me a hundred times near the foul line" and "it's a trick, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't" and "we were desperate to win the game, and we won the game."

 

What a loser. He wasn't even looking at the camera or the people he was talking to...it was clear he knew it was a dirty play and he was trying unsuccessfully to justify it.

 

Man, I retract my earlier statement...I have lost any shred of respect I ever had for this scumbag.

[DirtDog]

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[Thumper]

The guys at FSN (Fox Sport Network) who cover the Astros, are having a gay old time with the A-Rod incident. Nothing but joke after joke from them today during the Astros Cardinals game. Got really annoying after awhile.

[rician blast]

On the one hand, he's doing something to try and help his team win...on the other hand, baseball players have certain codes they expect one another to adhere to.

 

This should be allowed to play out on the field...not in the media. So if the Jays have an issue with it, let them deal with it on the field...heh, heh, heh.

[Anuj09]

They mentioned in Moneyball that he looked at looked at the catcher's signals to the pitcher while batting.

[yankees228]

They mentioned in Moneyball that he looked at looked at the catcher's signals to the pitcher while batting.

 

In moneyball they mention that they watched a clip (one instance) where he looked at where the catcher setup, not at his pitch signal. Scott Hatteberg (a former catcher), made it very clear that many other players do the same thing.

[Beckett95]

Schill needs to put a fastball through his earhole today

[26 to 6]

I don't think of A-Rod as a dirty player, although I could understand why a lot of you guys do. I just see it as him being heads up and always thinking, although granted he might take it too far, specifically when he slapped Arroyo's glove. I cant get too worked up over his hard slide into Pedroia, or yelling "ha" on the bases; fact of the matter is that these things are most likely done regularily, but don't attract as much attention as when A-Rod does it. Bottom line is, I appreciate that a player of his caliber is grounded enough to keep his head always in the game and is always thinking heads up and aggressive. He's not just another one of those overpaid superstars who just goes about himself turning his cheek to anything not involving him. He's not like other big-time sluggers who just stand in there and hit, and thenrun out to the field or onto the bases not concerning themselves with anything else. He's in there doing whatever occurs to him to help the team win, and as ridiculous as my statement may seem to some of you, that's how I feel. There is nothing wrong with trying to be aggressive on the bases to prevent being an out. When any other player makes a hard slide to prevent a double play, he's praised; but when it's A-Rod, and particularily when it's againt the Sox, people seem to feel the need to take issue with it and blow it out of proportion.

[schillingouttheks]

Well...he did the break rules in doing it.

 

And even Joe Torre says A-Rod was out of line.

[26 to 6]

Well...he did the break rules in doing it.

 

And even Joe Torre says A-Rod was out of line.

I dont blame Joe, or anyone for thinking it was out of line. s***, i'd probably be prettu mad if it happened to me too. I just don't think it's as big a deal as it's been made out to be.

 

I was unaware that there was a rule against that. Seems pretty ridiculous to me.