Oden or Durant?

[BoSox34]

One more thing, please don't argue with me about the Celtics unless your name is yankshater213, because I doubt any one of you (excluding yankshater) have passionately followed this team since the glory days of vitaly potapenko, nervous pervis ellison, and dana barros and that includes going to numerous blowouts this season without losing hope and watching just about every painful minute of Celtics Basketball this season. Nobody wants this team to succeed more than the real diehards, not the ones who are suddenly jumping on the bandwagon because they hear names like Oden and Durant.

[BoSox34]

He's not a typical PF-SF player though...he has the skill set to be Kevin Garnett.

 

I'd take Garnett over Hakeem Olajuwon. He's a more complete player.

 

OK, first of all the fact that you would take Garnett over Olajuwon is irrelevant because Oden isn't an Olajuwon clone and Durant isn't a Garnett clone. You can't just base your opinion off of that...and also how many championships has Olajuwon won compared to Garnett?

[TheKilo]

One more thing' date=' please don't argue with me about the Celtics unless your name is yankshater213, because I doubt any one of you (excluding yankshater) have passionately followed this team since the glory days of vitaly potapenko, nervous pervis ellison, and dana barros and that includes going to numerous blowouts this season without losing hope and watching just about every painful minute of Celtics Basketball this season. Nobody wants this team to succeed more than the real diehards, not the ones who are suddenly jumping on the bandwagon because they hear names like Oden and Durant.[/quote']

 

OMG UR SO 1337. I don't follow the NBA, I'm offering my own opinions.

 

 

 

OK' date=' first of all the fact that you would take Garnett over Olajuwon is irrelevant because Oden isn't an Olajuwon clone and Durant isn't a Garnett clone. You can't just base your opinion off of that...and also how many championships has Olajuwon won compared to Garnett?[/quote']

 

I think it's a decent comparison. Garnett's played on some s***** teams, though no fault of his own.

[YanksHater213]

Durant is the sex.

So is Oden.

 

Durant is more flashy. Durant will average 30/9/2 for his career with maybe one championship depending on where he goes.

 

Oden is more gritty. Oden will average 25/12 with 2+ BPG with multiple championships depending on where he goes.

 

Durant may very well be a better NBA player, but these days everyone knows that players are measured in championships, and Oden most likely will have a better chance at winning them because of his dominance at his positoin.

 

You can't argue which is better at this point. Oden will obviously have a bigger impact, but who is to say Oden will be either David Robinson or Pervis Ellison. Who is to say Durant will be either Michael Jordan or Darius Miles.

 

They're in two completely different situations on their college team. Only when they get to the NBA will this debate be able to be solved.

 

Im going to the game tonight and I busted in my pants when I heard Pierce may play.

[BoSox34]

 

I think it's a decent comparison. Garnett's played on some s***** teams, though no fault of his own.

 

Let's take a look at the world champion 1993-94 Houston Rockets roster, shall we?

 

Name Jersey Pos Height Weight Age College

HAKEEM OLAJUWON 34 Center 6-11 250 30 Houston, 1984

OTIS THORPE 33 Power Forward 6-10 248 31 Providence, 1984

VERNON MAXWELL 11 Shooting Guard 6-4 190 28 Florida, 1988

KENNY SMITH 30 Point Guard 6-3 170 28 North Carolina, 1987

CHRIS JENT 21 Guard 6-7 220 24 Ohio State, 1992

ROBERT HORRY 25 Forward 6-10 230 23 Alabama, 1992

MARIO ELIE 17 Guard/Forward 6-5 225 29 American International, 1985

SAM CASSELL 10 Point Guard 6-3 185 23 Florida State, 1993

SCOTT BROOKS 1 Point Guard 5-11 165 28 UC-Irvine, 1987

CARL HERRERA 7 Power Forward 6-9 225 26 Houston, 1990

LARRY ROBINSON 20 Shooting Guard 6-3 180 25 Centenary, 1990

MATT BULLARD 50 Forward 6-10 228 26 Iowa, 1990

RICHARD PETRUSKA 3 Center 6-10 230 24 UCLA, 1993

EARL CURETON 35 Forward/Center 6-9 215 36 Detroit, Robert Morris, 1980

ERIC RILEY 42 Center 6-11 240 23 Michigan, 1993

 

So let's see, it looks to me like after Olajuwon, who averaged 27 and 12 that year, there was no other star, but instead many role players who came together to win it all.

[BoSox34]

Durant is the sex.

So is Oden.

 

Durant is more flashy. Durant will average 30/9/2 for his career with maybe one championship depending on where he goes.

 

Oden is more gritty. Oden will average 25/12 with 2+ BPG with multiple championships depending on where he goes.

 

Durant may very well be a better NBA player, but these days everyone knows that players are measured in championships, and Oden most likely will have a better chance at winning them because of his dominance at his positoin.

 

You can't argue which is better at this point. Oden will obviously have a bigger impact, but who is to say Oden will be either David Robinson or Pervis Ellison. Who is to say Durant will be either Michael Jordan or Darius Miles.

 

They're in two completely different situations on their college team. Only when they get to the NBA will this debate be able to be solved.

 

Im going to the game tonight and I busted in my pants when I heard Pierce may play.

 

Exactly, they both have the potential to be incredible talents but the effect of a dominant center in the sport of basketball is something that leads to wins and with the right circumstances in place, leads to championships. In that sense, Oden is a more appealing option than Durant.

[CrespoBlows]

WTF? "He's done growing"....OK.....he's 7'1''' date=' 280 pounds and he's only 19. I guarantee he'll get stronger, more agile, and become an overall better athlete in the coming years. .[/quote']

 

Look at Oden's body and physical features. You think he has the body of a young man? C'mon, he's physically advanced, years beyond what he looks like. Just because he's young, doesn't mean he's going to grow anymore.

 

For example, go look around your high school. Take a look at the kids who grew facial hair when they were freshman. I guarantee you 95% of them look exactly the same as they did their freshman year.

 

Hakeem Olujuwan was 7'0'', 255 pounds. Dikembe Mutombo was 7'2'', 260 pounds. Alonzo Mourning is 6'10'', 260 pounds. David Robinson was 7'1'', 250 pounds..Duncan...6'11'' 260 pounds. The point is that not every dominant game changing center has to be 7'6'' like Yao or a Tank like Shaq to have a legendary career at the center position in the NBA. One of the more appealing parts about Oden is his size and strength and to use his size against him is ridiculous

 

Oh, thanks for pointing out the obvious. That's a strengh of yours, isn't it? Where do I say that Oden won't be a great Center? I'm just saying, that this is the guy you're going to see in the pros. He's not going to get taller, and his frame is pretty much maxed out. He'll have trouble adding more bulk to his frame.

[BoSox34]

Look at Oden's body and physical features. You think he has the body of a young man? C'mon, he's physically advanced, years beyond what he looks like. Just because he's young, doesn't mean he's going to grow anymore.

 

For example, go look around your high school. Take a look at the kids who grew facial hair when they were freshman. I guarantee you 95% of them look exactly the same as they did their freshman year.

 

 

 

Oh, thanks for pointing out the obvious. That's a strengh of yours, isn't it? Where do I say that Oden won't be a great Center? I'm just saying, that this is the guy you're going to see in the pros. He's not going to get taller, and his frame is pretty much maxed out. He'll have trouble adding more bulk to his frame.

 

OK..great, and your point is still irrelevant because even if he remained 7'1'', 280 pounds, then he still could be a force and a massive presence down low. I just don't see how the point that you're attempting to make relates to anything. Size is on Oden's size and obvioulsy he's not going to grow another 5 inches but his size is good for the NBA right now so your point is nonexistant.

[See Red]

OK..great' date=' and your point is still irrelevant because even if he remained 7'1'', 280 pounds, then he still could be a force and a massive presence down low. I just don't see how the point that you're attempting to make relates to anything. Size is on Oden's size and obvioulsy he's not going to grow another 5 inches but his size is good for the NBA right now so your point is nonexistant.[/quote']

 

The point is, he's an NBA body playing against college kids. He's not going to get any bigger... the people he's playing against most certainly will. He'll lose his height, and more importantly, his strength advantage.

 

Meanwhile, look at Durant. He's nowhere near where he can, and eventually will be, in terms of his size. He can shoot, he can score down low. He's going to be a lot like Carmelo Anthony, as I mentioned earlier. Put a big man on him and you better have help because he's going to burn them with his speed. Match up a speedy player on him and he'll dominate him with his size. This is a guy who's fully capable of scoring from the low post and shoots 40% from three.

[CrespoBlows]

The point is, he's an NBA body playing against college kids. He's not going to get any bigger... the people he's playing against most certainly will. He'll lose his height, and more importantly, his strength advantage.

 

Meanwhile, look at Durant. He's nowhere near where he can, and eventually will be, in terms of his size. He can shoot, he can score down low. He's going to be a lot like Carmelo Anthony, as I mentioned earlier. Put a big man on him and you better have help because he's going to burn them with his speed. Match up a speedy player on him and he'll dominate him with his size. This is a guy who's fully capable of scoring from the low post and shoots 40% from three.

 

BoSox, this is called reading comprehension.

 

Try it.

[BoSox34]

BoSox, this is called reading comprehension.

 

Try it.

 

Just shut up, I completely agree with what See Red said about Durant because he actually knows what he's talking about. You don't know what you're talking about and you make minor points that are true but don't mean anything and then just argue about them when they don't make a difference.

[CrespoBlows]

Just shut up' date=' I completely agree with what See Red said about Durant because he actually knows what he's talking about. You don't know what you're talking about and you make minor points that are true but don't mean anything and then just argue about them when they don't make a difference.[/quote']

 

I'm making points that are true? That means I know what I'm talking about. Thanks, dumb ass.

 

I still think you're missing the point. Oden's done with his physical development. Durant's not even close to being at his peak. When he hits it, he's going to be so insanely good, that you can't pass on him.

 

That's my point.

[BoSox34]

I'm making points that are true? That means I know what I'm talking about. Thanks, dumb ass.

 

I still think you're missing the point. Oden's done with his physical development. Durant's not even close to being at his peak. When he hits it, he's going to be so insanely good, that you can't pass on him.

 

That's my point.

 

You can't pass on him...unless Oden's still on the board.

[god is a redsox FAN]

Oden

[TheKilo]

Let's take a look at the world champion 1993-94 Houston Rockets roster, shall we?

 

Name Jersey Pos Height Weight Age College

HAKEEM OLAJUWON 34 Center 6-11 250 30 Houston, 1984

OTIS THORPE 33 Power Forward 6-10 248 31 Providence, 1984

VERNON MAXWELL 11 Shooting Guard 6-4 190 28 Florida, 1988

KENNY SMITH 30 Point Guard 6-3 170 28 North Carolina, 1987

CHRIS JENT 21 Guard 6-7 220 24 Ohio State, 1992

ROBERT HORRY 25 Forward 6-10 230 23 Alabama, 1992

MARIO ELIE 17 Guard/Forward 6-5 225 29 American International, 1985

SAM CASSELL 10 Point Guard 6-3 185 23 Florida State, 1993

SCOTT BROOKS 1 Point Guard 5-11 165 28 UC-Irvine, 1987

CARL HERRERA 7 Power Forward 6-9 225 26 Houston, 1990

LARRY ROBINSON 20 Shooting Guard 6-3 180 25 Centenary, 1990

MATT BULLARD 50 Forward 6-10 228 26 Iowa, 1990

RICHARD PETRUSKA 3 Center 6-10 230 24 UCLA, 1993

EARL CURETON 35 Forward/Center 6-9 215 36 Detroit, Robert Morris, 1980

ERIC RILEY 42 Center 6-11 240 23 Michigan, 1993

 

So let's see, it looks to me like after Olajuwon, who averaged 27 and 12 that year, there was no other star, but instead many role players who came together to win it all.

 

 

Hmm...Sam Cassell...Robert Horry..those two alone are better than anyone Garnett's played with.

 

And I know Garnett played with Cassell, but Cassell was a lot younger back then. Besides, if Jordan's still playing, the Bulls would have probably won the title both years the Rockets did.

 

Kevin Garnett would kill to play with a roster like this. Too bad McHale's an idiot.

[CrespoBlows]

Thorpe was a 13 point a game player in the early 90's as well.

[BoSox34]

Thorpe was a 13 point a game player in the early 90's as well.

 

Weak, Garnett is playing with two other 13+ point scorers this season alone with Ricky Davis (16 PPG) and Mark Blount (13.5 PPG).

[BoSox34]

Hmm...Sam Cassell...Robert Horry..those two alone are better than anyone Garnett's played with.

 

And I know Garnett played with Cassell, but Cassell was a lot younger back then. Besides, if Jordan's still playing, the Bulls would have probably won the title both years the Rockets did.

 

Kevin Garnett would kill to play with a roster like this. Too bad McHale's an idiot.

 

He's played with Tom Gugliotta (20/9) in Garnett's rookie season, Chauncey Billups, Wally Szczerbiak, Stephon Marbury (who flirted with 20/10 assists for a couple years), Terrell Brandon (used to be a good guard), Ricky Davis, and Sam Cassell (the same one you said he'd die to play for) when he was averaging 19 points and 7 assists rather than his 6 and 3 with Olajuwon's Rockets. So to say that Garnett would kill to play alongside players like Robert Horry and Sam Cassell is wrong.

[CrespoBlows]

Weak' date=' Garnett is playing with two other 13+ point scorers this season alone with Ricky Davis (16 PPG) and Mark Blount (13.5 PPG).[/quote']

 

You claim that Hakeem won the championship on his own. Looking at the roster, there were several complentary pieces. Smith, Maxwell, and Thorpe, all were at double-digit points per game. (Cassel was at 9.6)

[TheKilo]

He's played with Tom Gugliotta (20/9) in Garnett's rookie season' date=' Chauncey Billups, Wally Szczerbiak, Stephon Marbury (who flirted with 20/10 assists for a couple years), Terrell Brandon (used to be a good guard), Ricky Davis, and Sam Cassell (the same one you said he'd die to play for) when he was averaging 19 points and 7 assists rather than his 6 and 3 with Olajuwon's Rockets. So to say that Garnett would kill to play alongside players like Robert Horry and Sam Cassell is wrong.[/quote']

 

Chauncey Billups was not good when he played in Minnesota.

 

Wally doesn't play defense.

 

Ricky Davis? lol

[Manny Goes Boom]

Starbury wasn't Starbury when he was in Minny. He got to the 20/10 status in NJ and PHX. Granted he was good but not like he was at his peak. Plus if you asked alot of guys around the league, they would say they wouldn't want to play with him. He's a shoot first PG. How do you expect to win with a shoot first PG? That's why we got rid of him. And I'm glad we did.

[YanksHater213]

Haha I don't know what this huge argument is about. Fill me in.

[CrespoBlows]

Haha I don't know what this huge argument is about. Fill me in.

 

BoSox34 is a gooch. That's all that needs to be said.

[BoSox34]

Haha I don't know what this huge argument is about. Fill me in.

 

The argument is retarded and really has nothing to do with anything. I'm just trying to say that a dominant center like Hakeem Olajuwon wins championships.

[CrespoBlows]

The argument is retarded and really has nothing to do with anything. I'm just trying to say that a dominant center like Hakeem Olajuwon wins championships.

 

I don't see what you don't get about this. It would be retarded if the two players were done with their physical maturation process, but only Oden is. Look at the motherf***er, does he look like a guy who's going to get taller, or stronger? Unless he jabs a needle into his ass, he's done. His game will improve, but I don't think it will be better than Durant's.

 

Look at Durant, he's not done. He's going to put at least 40 pounds of muscle onto that frame, and when he does, he's going to be freaking unstoppable. He shoots better than Garnett, and he's faster than Nowitzki. He'll be a guy who can take over a game in all aspects of it.

[YanksHater213]

^^I agree with that opinion

 

 

BoSox34 is a gooch. That's all that needs to be said.

 

I agree with this opinion too.

[CrespoBlows]

Just to set the record straight, I think Greg Oden will be a fantastic NBA player. I think he'll dominate on the defensive end. That being said, I do have doubts to whether he can dominate on the offensive end. That's why I'm leaning toward Durant.

 

Olajuwon was a great offensive center, as was Shaq. I think Oden will be good, but he's more of a 20/10 guy. Shaq and Olajuwon were more like 25/10 guys.

[BoSox34]

I don't see what you don't get about this. It would be retarded if the two players were done with their physical maturation process, but only Oden is. Look at the motherf***er, does he look like a guy who's going to get taller, or stronger? Unless he jabs a needle into his ass, he's done. His game will improve, but I don't think it will be better than Durant's.

 

Look at Durant, he's not done. He's going to put at least 40 pounds of muscle onto that frame, and when he does, he's going to be freaking unstoppable. He shoots better than Garnett, and he's faster than Nowitzki. He'll be a guy who can take over a game in all aspects of it.

 

Yeah, I agree with that. My point is that IT DOESN'T MATTER. THE GUY IS 7'1'' 280 POUNDS. That's kinda big if you haven't noticed and it's definitely an advantage for Oden.

[BoSox34]

The bottom line is that Greg Oden is the black jesus and hopefully he's our starting Center next November.

[BoSox34]

Chauncey Billups was not good when he played in Minnesota.

 

Wally doesn't play defense.

 

Ricky Davis? lol

 

Say what you want but all three of them were better than Cassell and Horry in the Houston days.