Future's so Bright Gotta be Youk!!!

[Texas_Red_Sox_Fan]

This is a excellent example of the Red Sox maturation schedule. Youk has prooven he is ready for the big leagues. Delcarmen is due in to Toronto, he could be the next starter in the 5 spot till they get this settled. Hansen could be next and Abe as well. Youk leads the charge........Future so Bright ...Gotta wear shades...

 

Tessie!!!...Nuf Ced, ... McGreevy shouted....

[TheRivernator]

I think you might be a bit premature. 17 games into the yr, Youk and Trot have been your best hitters and Manny has been pedestrian. Youk will likely revert to norms by the end of the yr, although his norms are rather good with that high OBP.....

[ksushi]

Delcarmen is not a starter. What is with everyone all of a sudden loving Abe Alvarez? Am I missing something here?

[jsinger121]

If the Sox thought highly of Alvarez he would already be in the rotation now. They don't think highly of him. He is an organizational guy and if the sox are lucky will be able to use in a trade sometime.

[MANNYHOF24]

Delcarmen is not a starter. What is with everyone all of a sudden loving Abe Alvarez? Am I missing something here?

 

I see nothing in Abe Alvarez that excites me, He will probally never be as good as Bronson was, like that other idiot in another thread was pointlessly trying to argue

[ksushi]

Thank God. I thought he all of a sudden developed a respectable fastball or uhh, stopped being blind. Right.

[hoefdj18]

Youk is going to be solid all year. He will have a slump or two, but what MLB hitter doesnt? And for the rest of the prospects, they are just that: prospects. Stern, Mohr, Alvarez, and Delcarmen... Though they have a bright future and I am psyched to see how they progress. As for Youk and Papelbon, I think everyone can agree that they are no longer prospects.

[YazYaz04]

I agree, Youk is going to be great. And we always have snow on the bench incase he breaksdown. This guy is maturing at a fast rate.

[ksushi]

Dustin Mohr is not a prospect... the guy is 30 years old. He is a backup player not a prospect.

[mtbykr]

Youk will be good all year if he stays healthy. He plays the game the right way (9th inning ab on patriots day:D ) He paid his dues in AAA and is now in the show---I think his D at first is what has impressed me the most! -- he has dug out a lot of balls that Millar would have missed last year! Our infield is getting a lot of credit for their D, but let's not forget that without Youk digging a lot of those throws, they don't look as good!

[hoefdj18]

my bad, i forgot he was an "elder".

[ksushi]

What surprises me about our prospects, is we have prospects to fill nearly every hole we could have except in the rotation. Our bullpen could be very deep going into the playoffs with Big Edgar, MDC and potentially Hansen.

[TheRivernator]

What surprises me about our prospects, is we have prospects to fill nearly every hole we could have except in the rotation. Our bullpen could be very deep going into the playoffs with Big Edgar, MDC and potentially Hansen.

 

You would best be served to let them mature and not overexpose them. Just because Papelbon came out with balls of stone doesnt mean they are all like that....

[ksushi]

You would best be served to let them mature and not overexpose them. Just because Papelbon came out with balls of stone doesnt mean they are all like that....

 

You don't keep prospects in the basement. Exposure is crap. If they're major league pitchers, by the time they reach the age of 24, with a reasonable amount of seasoning, they should be battle tested. Edgar and MDC are both ready for the majors. MDC needed a little more seasoning, but if he can help, he can help. Same with Edgar. He throws gas, has developed a good slider and has really surprised people this year and last. Read Gammons last article, I'm not the only person on earth who expects them to get looks in the majors. I'm not the kind of guy who touts every minor leaguer in the system, I'm not sold on all of them, but I know that we have prime talents in Hansen and Martinez, and MDC has potential if he has control. These are guys you bring up. Maybe not Hansen.

[TheRivernator]

You don't keep prospects in the basement. Exposure is crap. If they're major league pitchers, by the time they reach the age of 24, with a reasonable amount of seasoning, they should be battle tested. Edgar and MDC are both ready for the majors. MDC needed a little more seasoning, but if he can help, he can help. Same with Edgar. He throws gas, has developed a good slider and has really surprised people this year and last. Read Gammons last article, I'm not the only person on earth who expects them to get looks in the majors. I'm not the kind of guy who touts every minor leaguer in the system, I'm not sold on all of them, but I know that we have prime talents in Hansen and Martinez, and MDC has potential if he has control. These are guys you bring up. Maybe not Hansen.

 

Gammons has about ZERO credibility as a "non-biased" ESPN analyst. Every other word is about the red sox, and I think it is in his contract to pick against them in his predictions, yet tell everyone how amazing they are all yr long. Over exposure is a real thing. Stuff can only get you so far. If you have a guy go out there with his great stuff and is not mentally prepared to face the best the game has to offer, then they will get shelled and their confidence can be ruined. A great example is Henn, who is a lefty with a plus slider and a 96mph fastball who dominates in the minors. The kid was not ready last yr yet was forced into duty and was rocked. His stuff was great, his game plan wasnt. These kids have to be eased into the game, brought into blowouts and worked in slowly. Paps is a good example for the kids to follow, but it is very seldom that you see that type of composure from a rookie. Not all of them turn out that way and many of them need to be on the shuttle for a few yrs before they reach their potential. Throwing them out there when you have veteran options is more than likely going to be a detriment to your club and to your farm....

[ksushi]

Gammons has about ZERO credibility as a "non-biased" ESPN analyst. Every other word is about the red sox, and I think it is in his contract to pick against them in his predictions, yet tell everyone how amazing they are all yr long. Over exposure is a real thing. Stuff can only get you so far. If you have a guy go out there with his great stuff and is not mentally prepared to face the best the game has to offer, then they will get shelled and their confidence can be ruined. A great example is Henn, who is a lefty with a plus slider and a 96mph fastball who dominates in the minors. The kid was not ready last yr yet was forced into duty and was rocked. His stuff was great, his game plan wasnt. These kids have to be eased into the game, brought into blowouts and worked in slowly. Paps is a good example for the kids to follow, but it is very seldom that you see that type of composure from a rookie. Not all of them turn out that way and many of them need to be on the shuttle for a few yrs before they reach their potential. Throwing them out there when you have veteran options is more than likely going to be a detriment to your club and to your farm....

 

 

You're being very general. While stuff can only get you so far, what is to say that just because a guy is young, that he doesn't have what it takes to play in the major leagues? It is fact that if the sox bullpen needs bolstering come mid-july they will dip into the farm system. It is fact that the Sox have a great deal of pitching talent in their farm system. Why not give prospects a chance to be proven? Believe it or not, most major leaguers make their debut around the age of 25. I think this has more to do with you not admitting the sox pitching depth in their system, and less to do with sort of good points against bringing up pitching talent. Gammons is bias, sure, but I'm not talking about him really and that has nothing to do with the point I'm making.

 

Lets say the Yankees bullpen is in rough shape come june, hypothetically. They've just converted a catcher to a pitcher a couple years before and since he has been throwing smoke at a few different minor league levels. He's 24, he's done nothing but impress and succeed, what would you think then? You bring up the talented kid.

 

Sure talent and stuff can only take you so far, you've gotta have a mental game, but thats a moot point here. That applys to a person of any age and level of experience. If they can help, you give them a shot, if they proove me wrong, I'll admit it here. I'll make a big thread about how wrong I am. My point though, isn't that they will succeed and all become the next Eckersely or whatever. My point is that if the bullpen needs a boost, they'll get the call. I think Edgar Martinez, MDC, or Hansen will some how, in some way factor into this bullpen this year if the Sox are going to be competitive. I think there will be a spot open come july or earlier, and one of these kids will get the call. Sure seasoning has its upside, but not every player (especially talking about pitchers) is a Wily Mo. Not every player needs to stay in the minor leagues forever. Believe me, I am not raving because of Papelbon. 2 years ago, I was raving about Papelbon. I've been a big minor league buff since I was in 8th grade, and not just the Sox system either. The sox have guys with a lot of upside. Bowden comes with a rep that Lester, nor Papelbon ever had. Martinez has a grade A fastball with great location and Hansen had the best breaking ball in the 2005 draft and a 94 mph sinker to go with it.

 

These are things the Red Sox will take advantage of.

[Rdsxmbnt]

Delcarmen is ready for the majors, possibly to stay permanetly there if things go well for him and the veteran guys continue struggle. Regarding Martinez, I dont think sticking him in the majors at the moment is the right move. If he was put in the majors right now he'd probaly be ok, but realistically he has pitched ZERO AAA innings, id promote him first to AAA first. Remember hes been a pitcher in the minors for 2 full years, this being his 3rd, id give him time to get everything worked out and I think he will be very successful in the near future. Knowing hte Red Sox, the most likely move ahead of them is probaly JVB or even Meredith, or Hansen, but that would seem kind of like a desperation move since hes still working on his changeup in AA, and no need to rush him like last year without a big reason. But right now im guessing JVB, Delcarmen, Meredith are the guys in the minors they are going to use first.

[TheRivernator]

I see your point now. Okay. If the kids are 25 then yeah bring them up, but you cannot assume they will fill the need and put all your chips into their basket. Also, I will not downplay the prospects in the sox system. They have stacked a few together that have potential, and the thing is, I think their best is not even going to sniff the majors this yr (Hansen). I have heard great things about DelCarmen and okay things about Martinez. One other thing you have to consider as well is, if the sox plan on making any acquisitions this trade deadline, they'll be playing a risky game by bringing up their minor leaguers. If they fall apart then their value drops. There is NO way that all of them stay in the bigs with the sox, no way. They have too many OF prospects and too many pitching prospects all coming of age at the same time. They may want to keep a few a mystery and shop them....

[ksushi]

I see your point now. Okay. If the kids are 25 then yeah bring them up, but you cannot assume they will fill the need and put all your chips into their basket. Also, I will not downplay the prospects in the sox system. They have stacked a few together that have potential, and the thing is, I think their best is not even going to sniff the majors this yr (Hansen). I have heard great things about DelCarmen and okay things about Martinez. One other thing you have to consider as well is, if the sox plan on making any acquisitions this trade deadline, they'll be playing a risky game by bringing up their minor leaguers. If they fall apart then their value drops. There is NO way that all of them stay in the bigs with the sox, no way. They have too many OF prospects and too many pitching prospects all coming of age at the same time. They may want to keep a few a mystery and shop them....

 

I don't think the Sox have any plans to part with their arms right now. Lester is off limits, Hansen is off limits and I think Martinez just about will be. Bowden might make that list soon. You probably haven't been hearing the same things about Martinez that I have, because he is quite the prospect. We don't know if Hansen will see the majors this year, if he does, look out because hes crazy good. I'd like to see him stay down as long as possible, but if we don't get Roger his call up might be unavoidable after a while.

[Rdsxmbnt]

I wouldnt call Lester completely off limits, if the Marlins are trading Willis or better yet Cabrera, and the Sox are interested then any offer would start with Lester. But like any player if the right offer came along then no one is off limits so it would take a great deal for them to consider trading Lester. I really like this teams front office and they realize what talent they have so its reasuring that our top guys everyones been waiting to see are pretty safe. The farm system is going to offer a ton of options in the very near future, while still allowing us space to make a move if we have to.