4-way deal?

[ORS]

Well, according to the article that you replied to, it would be Joey Gathright who, in everyone's opinion, is the next Willie Mays

 

The sox should get someone else in the deal. Tejada is as valuable as Manny according to VORP/WARP etc., but Gathright is likely nowhere near Marte. I could see Shoppach for Gathright, or even Shoppach and Abe Alvarez, but Tampa turned down a deal for Marte already so they can just suck it.

Right on about Gathright not being enough for Marte. I wouldn't even offer Shoppach. I'm pretty sure that Stern can give you more than Gathright. They have similar contact and OBP numbers through the same levels of the minors, but Stern has more power. There's no sense trading away something valuable to the big club's roster for something they already have, and I'd much rather see Shopp being worked in as the backup C than watching Huckaby or Flaherty at the plate. Plus, it appears Ellsbury is on the fast track, so Gathright wouldn't be around for long anyway.

 

NOTE: If anyone is going to bring up Stern's numbers from his only MLB exposure, last year, be sure you take notice of the extemely small sample (15 ABs) it took to compile them.

[ksushi]

Els - Sweeney just got locked up in a long term deal i believe, which is why not much has been said about him recently. I don't think he is going anywhere.

 

I personally wouldn't mind dealing manny for Prior though if we had the choice I'd perfer Zambrano, but not all things work out so nicely, but Prior is a guy who I would love to have. He won't be hurt his entire career. I agree it is something that could potentially get done if ever sat down and talked about. I think the only way to replace what manny does with the bat is by getting an ace pitcher in return and i stand by that. You won't replace his runs, so you have to stop the other team from scoring them.

 

one nit pick: I highly doubt Hansen will start in AAA. Delcarmen may, as he needs to learn first pitch strikes, but Hansen is a monster hes got it all.

 

EDIT - One Red Seat, good call with the Gathwright stuff, him and stern have similar stuff. And yeah, Gathwrights biggest selling points are his speed and his potential. His speed is moot considering the sox just don't run, and his potential doesn't matter to us as you said because Ellsbury is on the fast track. I think Gathwright is a valuable guy, but so is Stern, and so is Ellsbury. No reason to fix what ain't broken. Well, CF is broken, but at least don't fix it with parts we already have.

[DrewDaGreat]

The Daily News is reporting that some sources are telling them of a talked about, yet far-fetched 4-way deal with the Sox, D-Rays, Mets, and O's. This is how it would break down...

 

Sox get Joey Gathright and Miguel Tejada

O's get Julio Lugo, Matt Clement, and possibly Kris Benson

Mets get Manny Ramirez and Danys Baez

D-Rays get Andy Marte, Jae Seo, Aaron Heilman, and Kaz Matsui

 

According to the article, on exec of a team involved called it "far-fetched" but another said they were ready to float it out there. One other note from the article is Baez doesn't want to setup and 2 Met sources said they would "absolutely" not part with Heilman for Baez.

[Cityofchampions33]

That deal basically seems like what we wouldn't want to do. It's baiscally Manny for Tejada (wash) and Marte for Gathright (Marte's mucho better) which doesn't make sense to me.

[DrewDaGreat]

at first I thought it didn't involve Marte, which still wouldn't be great, but Manny/Clemment for Tejeda/Gathright is better then almost any trade I've seen.

 

Too bad it has Marte.

[Beckett95]

take away the marte for gathright part of the deal and im ok with it. Like everyone else was saying, stern would be just as fine as gathright in CF. They both have exactly the same numbers in the minors, except for gathright has more SB's. Id rather see

 

Sox get Miguel Tejada and Victor Diaz

O's get Julio Lugo, Matt Clement, and Kris Benson

Mets get Manny Ramirez and Danys Baez

D-Rays get Jae Seo, Aaron Heilman, Kaz Matsui and Anderson Hernandez

[ksushi]

Yeah right, if you're going to deal Manny, no team in their right mind includes their best prospect on top of it. Forget it. Won't happen.

[26 to 6]

I dont think thats a good trade for the Sox. Gathright is pretty overrated. Getting Gathright doesnt warrent giving up Marte.

I dont think so either...buit hey, as a Yankee fan I wouldnt mind, and as a Mets fan (behind the Yankees) I would be ecstatic to get this deal done to get Manny in Queens.

[a700hitter]

I don't know if Gathrait is worht Marte, but he can really go get the ball in CF. He has some elite, burner speed.

[Cityofchampions33]

Yeah, I'd love to see him in fenway, but it all depends on how much we give up.

[jsinger121]

gathright is not worth marte at all. hes a 4th outfielder and could barely crack the drays starting lineup. the drays value him too high for no apprent reason. he has speed but he makes terrible reads on balls hit to the outfield.

[Cityofchampions33]

I'm not sure that he's that bad, they do have a log-jam of OFs in TB but I agree they overrate him. What I like in him is that he can hit .280 for you, hit a few dingers, but aloso get on base with his speed and can steal a base almost on demand. If he can focus on OBP instead of AVG then he could be vauable to us in the sense that he can provide RBI chances for Papi who can hit those singles to RF.

[riverside sluggers]

Im not a "Gathright" guy myself> A leadoff hitter he would not be, more like #8 or 9 if he came to Boston. Mark Loretta is a viable option to lead off games, who bodes a .career .299 batting avg and .366 OBP when leading off.

 

Gathright In 95 career games played

.271 batting avg

.316 OBP

.322 SLUG

.638 OPS

0 Hrs

14 RBIs

12 Walks

 

They seem to be more inclined to give Huff away, who'd Id glady take over Gathright.

[yankeessuck013]

If we're gonna give up Clement, Manny, and Marte, we better be getting Baldelli over Gathright.

[ORS]

They seem to be more inclined to give Huff away, who'd Id glady take over Gathright.

At the expense of Marte? No thanks. I'd rather sign Snow short-term, see a Youk/Petagine/Snow platoon, and make a big offer to D-Lee next offseason.

[Cityofchampions33]

I'm not even sure if I'd want Baldelli over Marte, just doesn't blow me away. He's somehwat of a liability in CF, considering he doesn't know when to back off and just let it bounce. However if we got Huff, Tejada, and Gathright I would be happy, especially if we can keep Marte and just give up Clement and Manny.

 

Sox get: Huff, Tejada, Gathright

Sox send: Ramirez, Clement

 

Mets get: Ramirez, Baez

Mets send: Seo, Hielman, Matsui, Benson

 

Devil Rays get: Hielman, Seo, Matsui

Devil Rays send: Huff, Gathright, Lugo

 

Orioles get: Benson, Clement, Lugo

Orioles send: Tejada

[Cityofchampions33]

That would give us a pretty deep lineup power-wise

 

1) Loretta, 2b

2) Nixon, rf

3) Ortiz, dh

4) Tejada, ss

5) Huff, lf

6) Lowell, 3b

7) Varitek, c

8) Youkilis, 1b

9) Gathright, cf

[empirestrikesback26]

I'd put gathright at the top of the lineup.

[Cityofchampions33]

He doesn't have the average or obo for it

[Beckett95]

I'm not even sure if I'd want Baldelli over Marte, just doesn't blow me away. He's somehwat of a liability in CF, considering he doesn't know when to back off and just let it bounce. However if we got Huff, Tejada, and Gathright I would be happy, especially if we can keep Marte and just give up Clement and Manny.

 

Sox get: Huff, Tejada, Gathright

Sox send: Ramirez, Clement

 

Mets get: Ramirez, Baez

Mets send: Seo, Hielman, Matsui, Benson

 

Devil Rays get: Hielman, Seo, Matsui

Devil Rays send: Huff, Gathright, Lugo

 

Orioles get: Benson, Clement, Lugo

Orioles send: Tejada

 

the d-rays would want more in return. maybe bannister and Anderson Hernandez could do it. This trade is a good idea for the Red Sox who would be filling all of their needs with solid players.

[riverside sluggers]

At the expense of Marte? No thanks. I'd rather sign Snow short-term, see a Youk/Petagine/Snow platoon, and make a big offer to D-Lee next offseason.

 

i meant to put him in the outfield, not 1st base. And i didnt say anything about trading away Marte.

 

Plain & simple: Huff or Gathright as our center fielder. Huff please

[ACL BoSox]

If its good for the sox it probably won't happen.

[Cityofchampions33]

Its a bit realistic but then again, i have no idea what the GMs are thinking

[ORS]

i meant to put him in the outfield, not 1st base. And i didnt say anything about trading away Marte.

 

Plain & simple: Huff or Gathright as our center fielder. Huff please

Sorry about the mix 'up, but Marte was going for Gathright in the 4-team rumor that everyone was discussing, and since you put your $0.02 about Gathright in, I figured you were discussing the same scenario.

 

Huff has never played CF in 736 games played. He'd be a good candidate to play LF if Manny is moved for Tejada, but I don't think he'd be worth what Tampa would expect. The D-Rays are under new management, so this isn't the same group that raped the Mets for Kazmir. That said, their new FO has said that they know they have a glut of young position talent and need pitching, but they aren't making any moves unless the deals blow them away. They know they need some time to build, so they aren't desperate, which means they are unlikely to jump the gun on a deal.

[guapo34]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Huff can't hit. If he replaces Manny in RF with tejada at short we'd be better off with Manny in left and alex cora at short. There is no way Huff can play center. We might as well sign Millar to do that.

[riverside sluggers]

??

 

um do I need to show you Huff's stats? He's proved to be capable of having 20-25 HRs/90+ RBI seasons.

 

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He'd be a good candidate to play LF if Manny is moved for Tejada, but I don't think he'd be worth what Tampa would expect.

 

True, if they are expecting Marte for Gathright... Just imagine what they would want for Huff, who is an all around better player.

[DrewDaGreat]

I don't think that trade is realistic at all. Tampa would never do it.

 

Lugo, Huff, Gathright for Hielman, Seo, Matsui. They'd never do that.

[ORS]

If he replaces Manny in RF with tejada at short we'd be better off with Manny in left and alex cora at short.

Not true. Cora had a 1.7 VORP in 116 PA last year. Multiply that by 6 and you get 10.2 VORP runs in 696 PA (Edgar had 692). Manny produced 68.6 VORP. That's 78.8 VORP runs for Manny and Cora. Tejada and Huff were good for 87.8 VORP runs last year. VORP is offensive contribution only, so when you consider defensive ability, the case is even stronger for Tejada/Huff.

[Beckett95]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Huff can't hit. If he replaces Manny in RF with tejada at short we'd be better off with Manny in left and alex cora at short. There is no way Huff can play center. We might as well sign Millar to do that.

 

thats why hes averaged 27 hr per year since 2002 with a .290 batting average. Huff in LF and Tejada at SS is much better than Cora and Manny.

[pats55sox45]

so how much of a poss is it that we do this trade for miggy and gath

 

i cant believe we might trade edgar and clement for gath, kinda dumb