2004 Minor League organizational rankings

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i was just browsing through the Yankees media guide yesterday and noticed that the Yankees were ranked 10th IN FRONT of the Red Sox who were either 14th or 16th...i just thought i would inform you guys considering you guys are always talking about how bad our farm system is.

[yeszir]

Unpossible. Tell us who your best prospects are again?

[riverside sluggers]

???

 

yeaa about that, (1) was in the Yankee media guide and (2) everyone on ESPN and every other sports outlet there is; have been touting that Yankees had nothing to offer for big trades because of their depleted farm system

[CrespoBlows]

i was just browsing through the Yankees media guide yesterday and noticed that the Yankees were ranked 10th IN FRONT of the Red Sox who were either 14th or 16th...i just thought i would inform you guys considering you guys are always talking about how bad our farm system is.

 

I don't blame you for thinking that one media source is right, but you have to consider the source.

 

BTW

 

It's better to keep your mouth shut so people think your an idiot, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

 

"Walt Whitman"

[yankeessuck013]

FOX said we have the 2nd best farm system in the AL East, you have the 5th as in last.

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FOX said we have the 2nd best farm system in the AL East, you have the 5th as in last.

maybe thats this year without Navarro, but thats what the book said.

 

And BTW...i doubt the Yankees made this up, this came from the official rankings, just get over it and stop crying about it.

 

Yo Crespo, get over your feelings about a guy who was up and down between Boston and Pawtucket last year and is now in Nashville with the Pirates, get a new name...Idiot

[CrespoBlows]

I'm sitting here at work, bored. So I'm going to compare position by position. Red Sox vs Yankees

 

C: Kelly Shoppach > Jonathon Poterson

 

Why: Shoppach has much higher power potential, not to mention the fact that he might call the best game in the minors. He will be a regular for a major league team soon, he would likely be starting for the Rockies had the Bigbie trade gone through. Poterson could still be a good prospect, but he isn't a catcher anymore, and Mike the Headless Chicken (look that up, very entertaining story) probably could catch fly balls better than Poterson.

 

1B: Jeremy West = Kyle Larsen

 

Why: Both aren't great prospects, West might still be a reserve, but injuries constantly nag him. Larsen isn't good period.

 

2B: Dustin Pedoria = Robinson Cano

 

Why: Cano will hit for a higher average, and might hit more HR's in Yankee Stadium, but Pedoria is better with the glove, has a much better eye, and will hit a ton of doubles at Fenway.

 

SS: Hanley Ramirez > C.J Henry

 

Why: Hanley could be an allstar, or he could be a super-utilty guy like Chone Figgins, C.J Henry hasn't gotten 50 AB's in rookie ball, but he could be a good prospect. He's good, but he's not even close to Hanley's league.

 

3B: Kevin Youkilis > Eric Duncan

 

Duncan strikes out a lot, he can't field, but he might hit 20 HR's. He's overrated, he shouldn't even be in the top 100 for prospects. Youkilis has a great eye, good pop, and has been very good in the field postinga +6 FRAA in '04. and a +2 in '05.

 

OF: Jacoby Ellsbury > Melky Caberra

 

Ellsbury is a Johnny Damon clone, he's an excellent fielder, and has a better arm. Melky Caberra can't field at all, and doesn't have great speed. He's a 9 hole hitter, while Ellsbury could be a very effective leadoff hitter.

 

SP: Jon Papelbon > Wang

 

Papelbon throws 4 plus pitches, Wang just throws 2. Papelbon could be an ace at best, and at worse, he's a domiant 3 starter. Wang highest ceiling is a 4 or 5 starter, he can't strike anyone out, and with that porous Yankee defense behind him, he needs to strike people out to succeed.

 

SP: Jon Lester > Philip Hughes

 

Hughes will be good, but Lester is just flat out better. He sits on a 94 mph fastball, and throws 4 excellent pitches. He's dominating AA ball, and every baseball expert has this guy ranked into their top 20.

 

Throw in Sanchez, Delcarmen, and Hansen, > your sorry ass prospects

 

That was exhausting, Enjoy.

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I'm sitting here at work, bored. So I'm going to compare position by position. Red Sox vs Yankees

 

C: Kelly Shoppach > Jonathon Poterson

 

Why: Shoppach has much higher power potential, not to mention the fact that he might call the best game in the minors. He will be a regular for a major league team soon, he would likely be starting for the Rockies had the Bigbie trade gone through. Poterson could still be a good prospect, but he isn't a catcher anymore, and Mike the Headless Chicken (look that up, very entertaining story) probably could catch fly balls better than Poterson.

 

1B: Jeremy West = Kyle Larsen

 

Why: Both aren't great prospects, West might still be a reserve, but injuries constantly nag him. Larsen isn't good period.

 

2B: Dustin Pedoria = Robinson Cano

 

Why: Cano will hit for a higher average, and might hit more HR's in Yankee Stadium, but Pedoria is better with the glove, has a much better eye, and will hit a ton of doubles at Fenway.

 

SS: Hanley Ramirez > C.J Henry

 

Why: Hanley could be an allstar, or he could be a super-utilty guy like Chone Figgins, C.J Henry hasn't gotten 50 AB's in rookie ball, but he could be a good prospect. He's good, but he's not even close to Hanley's league.

 

3B: Kevin Youkilis > Eric Duncan

 

Duncan strikes out a lot, he can't field, but he might hit 20 HR's. He's overrated, he shouldn't even be in the top 100 for prospects. Youkilis has a great eye, good pop, and has been very good in the field postinga +6 FRAA in '04. and a +2 in '05.

 

OF: Jacoby Ellsbury > Melky Caberra

 

Ellsbury is a Johnny Damon clone, he's an excellent fielder, and has a better arm. Melky Caberra can't field at all, and doesn't have great speed. He's a 9 hole hitter, while Ellsbury could be a very effective leadoff hitter.

 

SP: Jon Papelbon > Wang

 

Papelbon throws 4 plus pitches, Wang just throws 2. Papelbon could be an ace at best, and at worse, he's a domiant 3 starter. Wang highest ceiling is a 4 or 5 starter, he can't strike anyone out, and with that porous Yankee defense behind him, he needs to strike people out to succeed.

 

SP: Jon Lester > Philip Hughes

 

Hughes will be good, but Lester is just flat out better. He sits on a 94 mph fastball, and throws 4 excellent pitches. He's dominating AA ball, and every baseball expert has this guy ranked into their top 20.

 

Throw in Sanchez, Delcarmen, and Hansen, > your sorry ass prospects

 

That was exhausting, Enjoy.

No arguement in the catcher department. Thats something we have to take care of.

Edge: Red Sox

 

well lets see.....West will be better than Larson, but Duncans gonna be switching to 1B within the next 2 years (we kinda got sum1 at 3rd right now).

Edge: Red Sox (but lets not forget Duncan is moving to first)

 

Please, Cano is doing a great job in the Majors, lets let Pedoria play a ML game before we make him out to be Joe Morgan or Ryne Sandberg.

Edge: Yankees (for now)

 

Henry was just drafted, nobody knows for sure wether or not Hanleys gonna be that good, though he prolly will be. But you can have the better MiLB SS, we have Jeter.

Edge:Red Sox

 

Shut Up, Duncan is going to be far better than Youk. Hes not a bad fielder, so whoever told you that is wrong, though he has struggled a little, hes a pretty good fielder. And he can hit, in the prime of his career he will hit way more than your projected 20 homers. if Youk was so good he'd be a fulltime player, not a roster replacement when someone gets hurt.

Edge: Yankees

 

Melky batted 9 because we have other guys in the MLB lineup who deserve to be batting where they are. Melky is a 4 hitter in the minors. And he can play the OF, just because he messed up in Fenway doesnt mean he's bad, thats a tough CF to play. And give him more time to adjust to Yankee Stadium dementions.

Edge: Yankees

 

Again, SHUT UP. Wang has been very successful this year and was our #3, and his ceiling isnt just a #4 or 5. Lets have your guy throw a game for Boston first before we say hes better than Wang.

Edge: Yankees

 

Hughes is just playing A ball right now, so this isnt a fair comparison.

Edge: Even

 

Hansen vs Cox: Lets get them some Minor League time first. Hansen will probably be better, but Cox was outstanding this year in the CWS. He will be Mariano's replacement.

Edge: Even

 

Sanchez vs Henn: Sanches is better so far, but Henn can improve, he has had a decent MiLB season.

Edge: Red Sox

 

Delcarmen vs ??: I dont know who to put up against him. I would throw DePaula in there, but after his Tommy John last year he hasnt been great in the minors this year. He had a dominant ML debut in 2003 (7 1/3 PERFECT innings against the Orioles, or at least i believe it was the Orioles). He made the rotation out of camp last year. He was pretty good and when he is completely recovered from his surgery he could improve

Edge: Red Sox

 

So according to my UNBIASED projections, you guys beat us out 5-4 in the comparison of the players listed. But our lower level prospects are far better than yours, ask any analst. We have great Single and Double A prospects. (our rookie league team, as well as our High A team won their league's championships last year.)

[yankeessuck013]

Again, SHUT UP. Wang has been very successful this year and was our #3, and his ceiling isnt just a #4 or 5. Lets have your guy throw a game for Boston first before we say hes better than Wang.

 

papelbon threw last night vs radke, who is a good pitcher. papelbon went 5 1/3 inings, 4 hits, 7 SO, 2 ER.....I think that's a pretty good ML debut

[ORS]

So according to my UNBIASED projections

Bitch, please. You look at the world through pinstriped glasses.

[bigpapi349]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/3832842

 

AL East system rankings

 

1. Devil Rays

2. Red Sox

3. Blue Jays

4. Orioles

5. Yankees

[bigpapi349]

Hansen vs Cox: Lets get them some Minor League time first. Hansen will probably be better, but Cox was outstanding this year in the CWS. He will be Mariano's replacement.

Edge: Even

 

how is this even?? Hansen is 10 times better than cox. Cox has an attitude problem and also has trouble throwing strikes. he has an average fastball (about 90 mph) and his best pitch is his slider which is good. But all in all hansen is going to be much better.

[CrespoBlows]

Hansen vs Cox: Lets get them some Minor League time first. Hansen will probably be better, but Cox was outstanding this year in the CWS. He will be Mariano's replacement.

Edge: Even

 

how is this even?? Hansen is 10 times better than cox. Cox has an attitude problem and also has trouble throwing strikes. he has an average fastball (about 90 mph) and his best pitch is his slider which is good. But all in all hansen is going to be much better.

 

Everyone quit responding to this, notice how it says 2004 and not 2005. I'll give you the same puzzle I gave Soxfan, 26 to 6

 

D_MB

 

A_S

[bigpapi349]

DuMB?

AsS?

[riverside sluggers]

if Youk was so good he'd be a fulltime player, not a roster replacement when someone gets hurt.

 

wow you really dont know anything, huh, youkilis is going to become the starting 3rd baseman next spring, yes it has been confirmed as well as Mueller will be a free agent at end of season.

[Boogie]

I'm tired of Sox fans masturbating over their farm system, its good but not great. Its better than the Yankees, but not as far as you say.

 

Overall the Sox have more legit prospects, but being the way the Yankees draft, they're prospects have more upside, which is about all I can say. Obviously...

 

Shoppach > Poterson... but Poterson has far more potential because of his simply ridiculous power. RS

Pedroia = Cano... is ********. Pedroia hasn't touched major league soil yet, and Cano has more obvious power and will hit for a much higher average. Yanks

Hanley > Carl Henry/Marcos Vechionacci... only as of right now, because Henry has just as much potential as Hanley if not more. Vechionacci also has a huge upside but no where near as much as Hanley. RS

Youk > Duncan... is also ********. Duncan is much younger and has much more power. The difference is the strikeout numbers and defense, but Duncan takes his walks, but K's a ton. He's non-contact at this point. Yanks

Ellsbury > Melky... ain't gonna even touch that. RS

Lester > Hughes... is very, very debatable. Sorry, but it isn't as simple as that. Hughes is probably rated under because he has less innings racked up, is right-handed, and has been injured a few times. Even

Papelbon > Wang... Papelbon has more upside, but Wang is MLB proven and pressure proven. Even

Sanchez > Henn/Clippard... Obviously Red Sox. Henn and Clippard are nice, Henn could be an OK back of the rotation starter and Clippard could be a Wang type pitcher in a few years, but Sanchez has ace potential. RS

Hansen > Cox... Cox played in a tougher league and is pressure proven but Hansen is just plain better. RS

Declarmen > Morrison... Won't even touch that one either. RS

 

So, by my analysis the Sox win 6-2, with a couple of splits mixed in.

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papelbon threw last night vs radke, who is a good pitcher. papelbon went 5 1/3 inings, 4 hits, 7 SO, 2 ER.....I think that's a pretty good ML debut

i appologize, ive been somewhat out of it, i should have known that he pitched last night. But you cant argue Wangs success.

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I'm tired of Sox fans masturbating over their farm system, its good but not great. Its better than the Yankees, but not as far as you say.

 

Overall the Sox have more legit prospects, but being the way the Yankees draft, they're prospects have more upside, which is about all I can say. Obviously...

 

Shoppach > Poterson... but Poterson has far more potential because of his simply ridiculous power. RS

Pedroia = Cano... is ********. Pedroia hasn't touched major league soil yet, and Cano has more obvious power and will hit for a much higher average. Yanks

Hanley > Carl Henry/Marcos Vechionacci... only as of right now, because Henry has just as much potential as Hanley if not more. Vechionacci also has a huge upside but no where near as much as Hanley. RS

Youk > Duncan... is also ********. Duncan is much younger and has much more power. The difference is the strikeout numbers and defense, but Duncan takes his walks, but K's a ton. He's non-contact at this point. Yanks

Ellsbury > Melky... ain't gonna even touch that. RS

Lester > Hughes... is very, very debatable. Sorry, but it isn't as simple as that. Hughes is probably rated under because he has less innings racked up, is right-handed, and has been injured a few times. Even

Papelbon > Wang... Papelbon has more upside, but Wang is MLB proven and pressure proven. Even

Sanchez > Henn/Clippard... Obviously Red Sox. Henn and Clippard are nice, Henn could be an OK back of the rotation starter and Clippard could be a Wang type pitcher in a few years, but Sanchez has ace potential. RS

Hansen > Cox... Cox played in a tougher league and is pressure proven but Hansen is just plain better. RS

Declarmen > Morrison... Won't even touch that one either. RS

 

So, by my analysis the Sox win 6-2, with a couple of splits mixed in.

Boogie, Vechionacci is playin 3B and OF this year

 

And I still guve CF to the Yanks, Melky is going to be great.

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for now i feel its even. Both were good in college, Cox played in a tougher conference, but i still like Hansen better, i have it even because neither have suffiecent Minor League time. But there have been players who were supposed to be great out of college and didnt make it, thats why i said its even for now.

 

 

Riverside Sluggers:...Good for Youk, but Duncan is going to be better, he is more highly touted around baseball and is a better bat. Youk is good, but while Duncan is playing third, he gets the vote.

[yankeessuck013]

duncan is stinking up the joint in AAA right now, guarantee he gets traded as long as steinbrenner is at the helm. in fact most of the guys you mentioned will get traded except hughes....still feel lester is better than hughes....he threw a CG yesterday in AA...he is going to be special.

[CrespoBlows]

I'm tired of Sox fans masturbating over their farm system, its good but not great. Its better than the Yankees, but not as far as you say.

 

Overall the Sox have more legit prospects, but being the way the Yankees draft, they're prospects have more upside, which is about all I can say. Obviously...

 

Shoppach > Poterson... but Poterson has far more potential because of his simply ridiculous power. RS

Pedroia = Cano... is ********. Pedroia hasn't touched major league soil yet, and Cano has more obvious power and will hit for a much higher average. Yanks

Hanley > Carl Henry/Marcos Vechionacci... only as of right now, because Henry has just as much potential as Hanley if not more. Vechionacci also has a huge upside but no where near as much as Hanley. RS

Youk > Duncan... is also ********. Duncan is much younger and has much more power. The difference is the strikeout numbers and defense, but Duncan takes his walks, but K's a ton. He's non-contact at this point. Yanks

Ellsbury > Melky... ain't gonna even touch that. RS

Lester > Hughes... is very, very debatable. Sorry, but it isn't as simple as that. Hughes is probably rated under because he has less innings racked up, is right-handed, and has been injured a few times. Even

Papelbon > Wang... Papelbon has more upside, but Wang is MLB proven and pressure proven. Even

Sanchez > Henn/Clippard... Obviously Red Sox. Henn and Clippard are nice, Henn could be an OK back of the rotation starter and Clippard could be a Wang type pitcher in a few years, but Sanchez has ace potential. RS

Hansen > Cox... Cox played in a tougher league and is pressure proven but Hansen is just plain better. RS

Declarmen > Morrison... Won't even touch that one either. RS

 

So, by my analysis the Sox win 6-2, with a couple of splits mixed in.

 

So average is the know-all and end all? What Cano lacks is secondary playing skills, he doesn't walk much, and isn't very good defensively. Pedoria is much more polished all around, he'll walk much more then he'll strike out. Just look at all the AB's Cano has struck out on, you can easily get him out with changeups, he doesn't have the discpline to lay off them. While Cano will be very good, I think Pedoria will be very good as well.

 

You know how Red Sox fans rip Bellhorn? That's how the Yankee fans will be ripping Duncan. I've seen Duncan play a lot of times, and against the old SaraSox. Papelbon, and Lester, on consecutive nights made him look like Mark Bellhorn. He's hitting .233 right now, and while he may be good, Youkilis is the much safer bet to be better.

 

As for the whole Wang story, Yankee fans are so quick to annoit him a star, and how he shows poise in a May start against the Delgadoless Blue Jays. He's K to BB ratio is LESS THAN 2. And his K/9 IP is less then 4. Sounds like a Carl Pavano waiting to happen, your own Michael Kay said so himself, and he's more biased then PETA is on issues.

 

I'm going to agree with you on the Hughes/Lester debate, I believe both will be very, very good.

[CrespoBlows]

maybe thats this year without Navarro, but thats what the book said.

 

And BTW...i doubt the Yankees made this up, this came from the official rankings, just get over it and stop crying about it.

 

Yo Crespo, get over your feelings about a guy who was up and down between Boston and Pawtucket last year and is now in Nashville with the Pirates, get a new name...Idiot

 

I felt like bumping this thread, in case any Yankee fans want to start agreeing with my new motion. Robinson Cano, sucks. So does Wang, but I won't throw any serious facts out, until someone tries to defend that Cano and Wang are perennial all-stars.

 

As for me changing my name, first off I don't want to, it's been that way since May of last year. I'm sorry I'm not one of your faggot friends, who change their screen name every five minutes. Good God, I hate people who do that.

 

And besides, why the f*** would I even care what you say. You're IQ probably doesn't even equal a respectable Earthquake.