Manny to Mets

[Manny Goes Boom]

Better be a helluva lot better than this "plan A"

[DrewDaGreat]

Smokescreen?

 

 

No, just crap spewed by ESPN's s***** baseball analysts.

[MC Hammer]

No, just crap spewed by ESPN's s***** baseball analysts.

 

Hey Gammo is the senior baseball analyst for ESPN. Watch your mouth.

[bigpapi349]

jayson stark sayd the redsox asked the mets for a "key piece" on the mets and the mets walked away. wonder who the key piece was the red sox wanted and mets wouldnt give up.

[MC Hammer]

From what I've heard Plan B might be Cameron, Looper, and Kris Benson

[bigpapi349]

From what I've heard Plan B might be Cameron, Looper, and Kris Benson

whered you hear that? i think thats the trade the redsox wanted and the mets backed off from.

[MC Hammer]

whered you hear that? i think thats the trade the redsox wanted and the mets backed off from.

 

I didn't hear it directly. My friend said he heard it on ESPN Radio

[bigpapi349]

i just dont want to give up anibal and manny for average guys

[ORS]

I don't think Sanchez was included in the Cameron/Looper/Benson for Manny rumor.

[Manny Goes Boom]

Thats better than this other Huff and Cameron ********. But why would we want Looper? He's a good closer but not great. Maybe part of the Burnett deal??? :dunno: Didn't they want a pen arm? Either way...Im not jumping for joy at the thought of not having Manny in our lineup. Hes a great hitter and my favorite player, I would be very sad to see him go.

[bigpapi349]

i think we should just leave manny alone. theres no trade thats going to benefit the redsox involving Manny.he'll probaly say he loves boston in 2 weeks

[example1]

i think we should just leave manny alone. theres no trade thats going to benefit the redsox involving Manny.he'll probaly say he loves boston in 2 weeks

 

Do you know why he's so against Boston? Is it the press? The fans?

 

If its the press I say fire Dan Shaugnassey and let's move on. If that's all it takes. Its probably not though.

[bigpapi349]

bensons a #4 starter who probaly isnt worthy of being in the redsox rotation. looper is an ok reliever. I think they should package those two guys for a burnett or wagner.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

i think we should just leave manny alone. theres no trade thats going to benefit the redsox involving Manny.he'll probaly say he loves boston in 2 weeks

Who really cares. If Manny doesn't want to be here then he get get the hell out. I'm seriously tired of his act. Are we all supposed to bow down, I don't think so. He's a self centered mental morone. All he does it hit the ball, when he feels like it.

[DrewDaGreat]

bensons a #4 starter who probaly isnt worthy of being in the redsox rotation. looper is an ok reliever. I think they should package those two guys for a burnett or wagner.

 

 

Bronson is definitely worthy of being in the rotation. He is a legit #3 IMO.

 

Who really cares. If Manny doesn't want to be here then he get get the hell out. I'm seriously tired of his act. Are we all supposed to bow down, I don't think so. He's a self centered mental morone. All he does it hit the ball, when he feels like it.

 

The only reason you guys are saying things like this is because you think he's gonna be traded and you guys wanna act like its a good move. It's an awful move. No Manny trade would benifit us. The guys leads in RBIs and HRs in the AL. He's one of the best hitters in the game. He's awesome. He was MVP of the World Series. So, he's a bit nuts, who cares. If we do trade Manny, I'll be pissed at our management. The guy is an absolutely amazing hitte.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

Bronson is definitely worthy of being in the rotation. He is a legit #3 IMO.

 

 

 

The only reason you guys are saying things like this is because you think he's gonna be traded and you guys wanna act like its a good move. It's an awful move. No Manny trade would benifit us. The guys leads in RBIs and HRs in the AL. He's one of the best hitters in the game. He's awesome. He was MVP of the World Series. So, he's a bit nuts, who cares. If we do trade Manny, I'll be pissed at our management. The guy is an absolutely amazing hitte.

What exactly does this have to do with Manny ?

[MC Hammer]

bensons a #4 starter who probaly isnt worthy of being in the redsox rotation. looper is an ok reliever. I think they should package those two guys for a burnett or wagner.

 

Don't forget that Benson is injury prone, and has never lived up to even half of his hype. He's not having that bad of a year though 7-3 3.14 ERA 62K/25BB. Looper isn't all that bad, he just isn't a closer.

[DrewDaGreat]

What exactly does this have to do with Manny ?

 

 

What does talking about Manny in a Manny thread have to do with Manny?

 

If you're talking about the Bronson thing, I meant to type Benson.

 

But, that deal would still suck.

[MC Hammer]

What does talking about Manny in a Manny thread have to do with Manny?

 

If you're talking about the Bronson thing, I meant to type Benson.

 

But, that deal would still suck.

 

Any trade with the name Kris Benson invloved is a bad trade unless you're the team trading him.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

What does talking about Manny in a Manny thread have to do with Manny?

 

If you're talking about the Bronson thing, I meant to type Benson.

 

But, that deal would still suck.

That I'll agree with.

[DrewDaGreat]

That I'll agree with.

 

yeah, that's what I meant. Sorry about the confusion.

 

IMO, Bronson > Benson(since I accidently brought up Bronson).

[Tek4pres]

The original Looper-Benson-Cameron deal sounds a lot better. All three are very good players and none of them has a very bad deal.

 

Money sox taken on by Sox

Looper - balance of his $3.5m in 2005 plus a club option for $5m in 2006 ($0.25m buyout)

Benson - balance of $4.5m in 2005, $7.5m in 2006, $7.5m in 2007, $7.5m club option in 2008 ($0.5m buyout)

Cameron - balance of $6m in 2005, $6m in 2006, $7m club option for 2007 ($0.5m buyout)

Ramirez - $1 million owed to him if traded (perhaps since this is done at his request, he may waive this)

Max taken on: $6.5m in 2005, max $18.5 min $13.75 in 2006, max $14.5m min $8m in 2007, max $7.5m min $0.5m in 2008

 

Money lost by sox

Ramirez - balance of $20m in 2005, $19m in 2006, $18m in 2007, $20m in 2008, $20m club option in 2009, $20m club option in 2010

 

Total savings- $3.5m in 2005, min $0.5 max $5.25m in 2006, min $3.5m max $10m in 2007, $19.5m in 2008

Total - $27m-$37.25m

[Sox fan in Tex]

This just in: Sox, D-Rays & Mets agree to limit this trade 'til 12 noon tomorrow (Saturday). Meaning that if this deal isn't done by then, it won't be done at all.

[Tek4pres]

Everybody here is way too attached to Manny and Bronson to see the logic here. If this was as bad of a deal as you folks are saying, then why did the Mets turn it down.

 

Benson? Not worthy of being in the Red Sox rotation? He has a better ERA, WHIP and BAA than ANY of our starters. And it's not even by a slight margin. He's a run better a game than anyone we have. He's signed for $10m less than Pavano and for one less year.

 

Looper would come in and have the second best ERA on the team behind Timlin and the second best BAA against behind Myers.

 

With Schilling and Foulke healthy this would give us:

Starters:

Schilling

Benson

Wells

Clement

Wakefield

 

Bullpen:

Arroyo

Bradford

Myers

Timlin

Looper

Foulke

 

This is a significantly better starting rotation and bullpen. Plus we'd have an above avg fielding outfielder.

 

I say the only sticking point here is the prospects involved. But since Tampa Bay has the most to gain in this situation perhaps they are willing to make some concessions and take lesser prospects from the Mets and perhaps someone other than Sanchez from the Sox. Even if we have to give up Sanchez, I still think this helps us. It gives us a team that we can win the World Series with THIS year, plus a significant amount of savings further on down the road.

 

Edit: Fixed a typo.

[DrewDaGreat]

This just in: Sox, D-Rays & Mets agree to limit this trade 'til 12 noon tomorrow (Saturday). Meaning that if this deal isn't done by then, it won't be done at all.

 

Why are they even talking about it?

 

Noone is worth trading Manny for, nevermind sending Shoppach and Sanchez too!

[Tek4pres]

Oh and one more thing about Benson, imagine seeing Anna Benson sitting in the player's wives section:http://photos1.blogger.com/img/196/2653/1024/167b_anna_benson%5B1%5D1.jpg

 

If a guy that goofy looking can get her, he must have some game!

[Sox fan in Tex]

Saw that on SportsCenter, DrewDaGreat

[DrewDaGreat]

Saw that on SportsCenter, DrewDaGreat

 

What are you gonna do if they make this deal?

 

I can't even explain how pissed I would be.

[JohnnyDug]

What in the hell has caused Theo to be so preoccupied with this Manny crap that he has lost all sight of our desperate bullpen? A deal for two outfielders (and/or very average 1st basemen) for the top man in our RBI pair is INSANE. not meant to state the obvious, but what the hell?

[boomer]

That's just stupid. Why would Papi turn on the Sox if Manny WANTS to be traded. The Red Sox wouldn't have ever considered a trade had Manny not asked out.

 

My problem with this trade - not only do we lose Ramirez and get two mediocre outfielders - which blows - but we give up TWO TOP PROSPECTS in Anibel Sanchez and Kelly Shoppach.

 

OK Listen here f*** THE RUMOR of him being traded..

2. Manny made Ortiz he helped his hitting.

3.Manny is the 1-2 punch with Ortiz.

4.Ortiz and Manny are best friends.

5.f*** the trade