Pedro Martinez Set To Sign 3 Yr 40 Million With...

[BoSox Rule]

That's kind of the bullcrap I was shooting for.

 

Jeter is great because of his stats, not because he runs around the dugout with pom-poms, smilies for the cameras, and pumps his fist after a 3rd inning single.

[Yankeesin05]

O great, now they are gonna go on about how Jeter is soooo over rated.......

[Yanksin2010]

Originally posted by Yankeesin05@Dec 19 2004, 09:48 PM

O great, now they are gonna go on about how Jeter is soooo over rated.......

No, we don't need to defend how great Jeter is. Even sox fan know he's one of the best SSs in the game today.

[BoSox Rule]

Originally posted by Yankeesin05@Dec 19 2004, 09:48 PM

O great, now they are gonna go on about how Jeter is soooo over rated.......

Because that's exactly what I said . . .

[ahhchon]

i'm done talking with yankee fans on this board. they are absolutely f***ing retarted.

 

why is it so necessary to come to the sox forum and spend time here. it's so stupid. i would never waste my time in a yankee forum.

 

you guys are stupid, period. you have no facts to back anything up. everything we say we back up with facts, numbers speak.

 

john

[Yankeesin05]

Get bent, you know s*** about baseball.

 

Your the one thats f***ing retarded, You are bias, and hypricritable.

 

 

By the way, i found the book i was talking about, People that actually know baseball, they anylise it for a living, came up with this list....I'll give you a head start.....Pedro isn't one...

 

The Top 100 Pitchers of all-time

Walter Johnson

Lefty Grove

Cy Young

Christy Mathewson

Greg Maddux

Pete Alexander

Roger Clemens

Kid Nichols

Tom Seaver

Sandy Koufax

Bob Gibson

Mordecai Brown

Jim Palmer

Hal Newhouser

Al Spalding

Carl Hubbell

John Clarkson

Steve Carlton

Warren Spahn

Ed Walsh

Randy Johnson

Tim Keefe

Robin Roberts

Pedro Martinez

Ted Lyons

Tom Glavine

Bucky Walters

Stan Coveleski

Bob Lemon

Burleigh Grimes

Amos Rusie

Eppa Rixey

Dazzy Vance

Charley Radbourn

Eddie Cicotte

Rube Waddell

Carl Mays

Juan Marichal

Tommy Bond

Hoyt Wilhelm

Jim McCormick

Whitey Ford

Bob Feller

Addie Joss

Don Drysdale

Orel Hershiser

Lefty Gomez

Wes Ferrell

Mel Parnell

Babe Adams

Hippo Vaughn

Dan Quisenberry

Billy Pierce

Bob Caruthers

Tommy Bridges

Guy Hecker

Candy Cummings

Mike Marshall

Jim Bunning

Vic Willis

Mel Harder

Gary Peters

Tony Mullane

Phil Niekro

Gaylord Perry

John Ward

Dizzy Trout

Joe Wood

Claude Passeau

Bruce Sutter

Bret Saberhagen

Bobby Mathews

Ferguson Jenkins

Dennis Eckersley

Don Newcombe

Nolan Ryan

Early Wynn

Frank Viola

Wilbur Cooper

Will White

Silver King

Bert Blyleven

Red Ruffing

Dizzy Dean

Joe McGinnity

Kevin Brown

Dolph Luque

Ewell Blackwell

Charlie Buffinton

Rich Gossage

Sal Maglie

Red Faber

Curt Simmons

Sam McDowell

Jack Stivetts

Spud Chandler

David Cone

Wilbur Wood

Mort Cooper

Jim Hunter

[BoSox Rule]

That has nothing to do with dominance you f***ing ********. That has everything to do with longevity. Bill James had Pedro has the 29th best pitcher ever, after his first 8 years!

[Yankeesin05]

Hey, guess who was involved with this list dumb ass

 

Bill James

 

 

Errr, Retard

[BoSox Rule]

Here, this list is based on TALENT and DOMINANCE.

 

Like you know what those are.

 

http://www.mlbcenter.com/forums/showpost.p...251&postcount=2

 

Look where Pedro ranks among STARTERS.

[Yankeesin05]

Sorry, that was the Wrong List....my bad guys. Here is the correct list.

 

 

1. Sandy Koufax

I’ve never seen anyone dominate the way Sandy did on a consistent basis. Best fastball in the game couple with the best curveball. That was it, and since the hitters couldn’t hit either of those, there was no need for another pitch. Every time he pitched baseballs fans’ senses were alerted to the fact, that something astounding might happen. A great clutch pitcher, as evidenced by his World Series feats. It’s a shame his career was curtailed by injury but like I used to say for years; he was the Beatles while Spahn was the Stones; short term brilliance vs. longevity marked by excellence. I went with the former in this case as it left the deepest indelible impression.

 

 

2. Bob Gibson

The black, right-handed Koufax? Was there ever a tougher pitcher to step on a mound? How many pitchers can have a line drive hit him in his leg, breaking it, yet pitch the rest of the game, a World Series shutout? Can you imagine a year where a pitcher throws a dozen complete game shutouts and finished with an ERA of 1.12? Bob took your breath away with his fastball and tenacity added to being the game’s greatest competitor.

 

 

3. Roger Clemens

Love him or hate him, you have to bow to the extraordinary mastery of his craft. Six times a Cy Young Award winner, he’s still throwing bullets at age 41.

 

 

4. Greg Maddux

Maybe the most knowledgeable pitcher in the history of the game. Four consecutive Cy Young Awards as the leader of the greatest trio to ever pitch together on one team. Go to your dictionary and look up the word “control.” When you get past all those pictures of historical dictators, you just might find a photo of Greg. And, like Clemens and a few others, he did it all in the midst of an offensive explosion never before witnessed in baseball.

 

 

5. Warren Spahn

A legend who now passes on to being an icon of the game. He won twenty games in 13 different seasons and finished with 363, the most of any lefty in history. This, after not winning his first one until he was 26 years old. An unforgettable windup which led many experts to believe prevented him from being affected by any kind of arm trouble, but also allowed him to pitch into his 40’s.

 

 

6. Juan Marichal

The “Dominican Dandy” had a high kick in his delivery similar to that of Spahn. Juan had an assortment of pitches, all of them mastered to perfection.

 

 

7. Steve Carlton

In the book I wrote, “Dem Braves,” I rated Carlton as the greatest lefty ever, above Koufax and Spahn. That shows you how volatile these ratings are. “Lefty” combined brilliance with longevity and racked up awesome numbers on a consistent basis.

 

 

8. Randy Johnson

He was nothing for a significant time but then was dealt to Seattle where he blossomed. He’s a scary sight on the mound, 6’ 10” of a gangly body, whipping 100 MPH fastballs by you (ask John Kruk what that’s like) and he might move up these lists if he can come back from injuries at age 40.

 

 

9. Pedro Martinez

Some, especially in New York, truly despise this pitcher. Pedro himself can come off like a selfish jerk. However, he’s also one of the greatest pitchers to step up and all you need to do is check one category: ERA, and then take into consideration that he’s done it when batters have gone steroid crazy and racking up artificial numbers that eclipse anything done before.

 

 

10. Tom Seaver

Like Maddux, a pitcher with super intelligence about the art of pitching. He used to explain his super exploits on Mets post game shows and it was a learning process for many, though boring to others. Dumbest move ever when the Mets traded him to Cincinnati.

 

 

11. Nolan Ryan

He holds a whole gaggle of significant records and would rank much higher if had a better won-lost record. He was blessed from above with an arm never seen before and seemed to get better and better as he aged, without losing any velocity off his fastball. Oh, and all those no-hitters!

 

 

12. Jim Palmer

A stylish hard thrower who was always one of my very favorites. I remember when he shut out the Dodgers in the ’65 Series at the tender age of 20. He went on to additional greatness.

 

 

13. Dwight Gooden

I remember, as a Braves fan, watching this youngster make his debut with the New York Mets and saying, “Oy vey!” Everyone agreed we were watching the beginning of a brilliant career. He was scary good and resulted, like Daryl Strawberry, as examples of what drugs and drink can do to your career. He now seems rehabilitated and much credit can be given to Yankee owner George Steinbrenner, a side to this despised man that most people ignore.

 

 

14. Robin Roberts

All Robin knew was how to pitch complete games and wins, not a bad combination. For many years he was considered the righty version of Warren Spahn as their great years seemed to coincide.

 

 

15. Whitey Ford

The Yankees “Chairman of the Board” who was was one of the greatest clutch pitchers in the history of the game. Purely a pressure pitcher with ice in his veins.

 

 

16. Herb Score

I can clearly remember the day in 1956 when Yankee infielder hit a line drive right into the eye of Herb, the brilliant young lefty of the Guardians. It ruined what portended to be a huge, forthcoming career. One of baseball’s great tragedies.

 

 

17. Jim "Catfish" Hunter

A great “money pitcher” for both the A’s and Yankees. “Catfish” was brilliant and had as much command as any pitcher I’ve ever seen. A great tragedy in that died young, suffering from Lou Gehrig’s Disease.

 

 

18. Denny McLain

The last pitcher to win 30 games in a single season. What a brilliant pitcher who turned into such a pathetic felon.

 

 

19. James Rodney Richard

6’ 8” and a blazing fastball, this was a pitcher that was in the process of rewriting record books when he was struck down by a stroke in mid season at the age of 29. He’d already established himself as a 20 game-winner with 300+ annual strikeouts when he was cut short and became one of the greatest tragedies in the history of the game.

 

 

20. Ferguson Jenkins

Tall, lanky and with the best control possible. He could hit spots all day driving batters whacky. A complete pitcher.

 

 

21. Dennis Eckersley

A fine starter who became, simply, the greatest reliever in the history of the game. Dennis control was unheard of and the rock the Athletics counted on for many years.

 

 

22. Don Drysdale

The righty complement to Sandy Koufax who was great in his own right. He and Koufax shocked the sports world one spring by linking themselves to each other in contract negotiations with the Dodgers, and won.

 

 

23. Tom Glavine

One has to hope he doesn’t ruin his high status by pitching for the Mets. A two-time Cy Young Award winner who taught us all the value of a pitcher being stubborn. Still has an outside shot at 300 career wins which would clinch his Hall of Fame spot.

 

 

24. Ron Guidry

“Louisiana Lightning” was the pitching ace of those great Reggie Jackson-Thurman Munson teams in the late 80’s. Wicked stuff that, at times, seemed impossible to hit.

 

 

25. John Smoltz

One of the gutsiest pitchers in baseball history and the heir apparent to Bob Gibson in the area of competitiveness. John has also fashioned his career after that of Dennis Eckersley, beginning as a great starter and then changing into a top reliever. My biggest regret was when Smoltzie got hurt near the end of the 2003 season because, at that time, he a shade better than eventual Cy Young Award winner, Eric Gagne. If Smoltz would have won he would have been the first pitcher in history to win Cy Young Awards both as a starter and reliever, a sure ticket into the Hall of Fame.

 

 

26. Phil Niekro

A workhorse and winner, year after year.

 

 

27. Jim Bunning

I was there when he threw his perfect game. Tough pitcher.

 

 

28. Rollie Fingers

A great reliever who saved a great team and dynasty.

 

 

29. Jim Maloney

Many never heard of him but he was one of the fastest ever.

 

 

30. Vida Blue

Busted into the league like he was going to be the best ever.

 

 

31. Gaylord Perry

Did he, or didn’t he? Who cares? He was one of the best.

 

 

32. Kevin Brown

People today don’t realize how great he really is.

 

 

33. Bret Saberhagen

A pair of Cy Youngs and a bad wing.

 

 

34. David Cone

A famous gun for hire with great stuff.

 

 

35. Orel Hershisher

A great pitcher or “Revenge of the Nerds?”

 

 

36. Dave Stewart

A truly great postseason hurler

 

 

37. Dave McNally

An ace of a brilliant Orioles staff.

 

 

38. Jim Lonborg

Yaz did the hitting; Jim did the pitching.

 

 

39. Mike Scott

Had years as an Astro where he was absolutely unhittable.

 

 

40. Luis Tiant

Dazzled batters with an assortment of pitches a’la Marichal

 

 

41. Curt Schilling

Another workhorse who improved with age.

 

 

42. Early Wynn

A 300 game-winner known for exceptional meanness.

 

 

43. Mickey Lolich

Great money pitcher always overshadowed by McLain

 

 

44. Frank Viola

Stylish lefty Twins ace who starred in money games

 

 

45. Jack Morris

Famed clutch pitcher who led Tigers and Twins.

 

 

46. Sam McDowell

Big guy, scary to bat against.

 

 

47. Mike Cuellar

Great screwball confounded major league hitters.

 

 

48. Vernon Law

Pittsburgh Pirates ace who led team to championship.

 

 

49. Camilo Pascual

I will never forget his curveball which fell off the table.

 

 

50. Dean Chance

Teamed with Bo Belinsky with Dean being better.

[BoSox Rule]

Funny, not one of those pitchers have better indexed numbers than Pedro.

[Yankeesin05]

OMG, baseball is not all about numbers. Its about how you play the game.

 

 

Get it through your heads.....Pedro is not the best of all-time, even a die hard Red Sox fans that is a Baseball fan as well, will tell you that.

[BoSox Rule]

I didn't say he was the best of all-time.

 

He is the most dominant, and you could never convince me otherwise until somebody comes along and has a higher ERA+.

[yeszir]

And the award for best spelling of the year goes to Yankeesin05 with this spelling of a made up word

hypricritable.

[BoSox Rule]

Originally posted by Yankeesin05@Dec 19 2004, 10:25 PM

OMG, baseball is not all about numbers. Its about how you play the game.

 

Keep telling yourself that.

[Yankeesin05]

Why is it that your analyzing my spelling when we are talking about baseball?

[yeszir]

Originally posted by Yankeesin05@Dec 19 2004, 10:29 PM

Why is it that your analyzing my spelling when we are talking about baseball?

It was too funny to pass up.

 

Some people here are talking baseball, others are spewing nonsensical gibberish.

[BoSox Rule]

Originally posted by yeszir+Dec 19 2004, 10:30 PM-->

QUOTE (yeszir @ Dec 19 2004, 10:30 PM)

[Yankeesin05]

Keep telling yourself that.

 

Tell me why numbers has to do with everything, and the way you play has to do s*** with Baseball?

[BoSox Rule]

Because that has nothing to do with anything? Yeah.

[Yankeesin05]

Wow, I just realized that this is the worst board i have ever been to. Since you cant argue any more that there were better Pitchers then Pedro, you have to talk about spelling, now in any other baseball board, im sure they dont bring up spelling. Your comments are rediculas and patronizing.

 

The only good thing about Talksox.com is the Sim League.

 

This board blows.

[yeszir]

Originally posted by Yankeesin05@Dec 19 2004, 10:37 PM

Wow, I just realized that this is the worst board i have ever been to. Since you cant argue any more that there were better Pitchers then Pedro, you have to talk about spelling, now in any other baseball board, im sure they dont bring up spelling. Your comments are rediculas and patronizing.

 

The only good thing about Talksox.com is the Sim League.

 

This board blows.

Ok, sorry that we're rediculas son. No need to get all worked up fella. Now leave.

[BoSox Rule]

Originally posted by Yankeesin05@Dec 19 2004, 10:37 PM

then Pedro,

rediculas

That's just too f***ing awesome.

 

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[Yankeesin05]

No need to get all worked up? Jezze, you try not to when a bunch of people are yappin about wrong stuff and wont let anyone get there 2 cents in.

 

Now leave??.....some admin

[yeszir]

Originally posted by Yankeesin05@Dec 19 2004, 10:42 PM

No need to get all worked up? Jezze, you try not to when a bunch of people are yappin about wrong stuff and wont let anyone get there 2 cents in.

 

Now leave??.....some admin

:shrug: What can you do. Oh...you can leave. Yes. That's it.

[Yankeesin05]

then Pedro,

rediculas

 

 

 

That's just too f***ing awesome.

 

 

 

WTF?

[BoSox Rule]

Originally posted by Yankeesin05@Dec 19 2004, 10:43 PM

then Pedro,

rediculas

 

 

 

That's just too f***ing awesome.

 

 

 

WTF?

THAN PEDRO.

REDICULOUS

 

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[Yankeesin05]

Do you see what happens when you dont listen to other people make there statement, they get pissed off and get the f*** off this shity board.

 

 

This board doesnt even give any info, just all retarded redsox fans( except a few i no) chattin about how great your rotation is going to be this year....Wells vs Johnson opening day? pshh.

[yeszir]

DO you have any more insightful commentary on this board by any chance?

[BoSox Rule]

Originally posted by Yankeesin05@Dec 19 2004, 10:46 PM

Do you see what happens when you dont listen to other people make there statement, they get pissed off and get the f*** off this shity board.

 

 

This board doesnt even give any info, just all retarded redsox fans( except a few i no) chattin about how great your rotation is going to be this year....Wells vs Johnson opening day? pshh.

You're kidding?

 

I must've given you atleast 20 different stats and you reply with 7 no-hitters and 27 years.

 

Wow. Good luck somewhere else.

 

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