Pedro Martinez Set To Sign 3 Yr 40 Million With...

[sarasoxfan]

I cant answer you...

 

you said...

 

please, if you want to bash on pedro make another thread, we are trying to remember the greatest pitcher who ever lived. don't ruin our thing.

 

 

Unlike ralphie I would never disrespect the Bada--Bing.

[Yanksin2010]

Originally posted by schillingouttheks@Dec 10 2004, 12:14 AM

lol...best case scenario

 

we sign pedro

Rj stays in ARI

and beltran doesnt go to yanks.

 

i love it.

 

thank the lord.

2 out of three went wrong.

[stocker323]

Only one so far, Randy's not a Yankee yet.

[Yankeesin05]

RJ will be a Yankee, one way or another.

 

Its not if but when.

[Yanksin2010]

Originally posted by stocker323@Dec 18 2004, 04:44 PM

Only one so far, Randy's not a Yankee yet.

and people said pedro isn't a met yet....

[schillingouttheks]

im well aware of being wrong, but its what i would have LIKED, not my prediction.

 

and we said pedro was a met before it was official. RJ is as good as a yankee, but isnt yet. and thats the fact.

[2090]

Originally posted by sarasoxfan@Dec 16 2004, 10:51 AM

I cant answer you...

 

you said...

 

please, if you want to bash on pedro make another thread, we are trying to remember the greatest pitcher who ever lived. don't ruin our thing.

 

 

Unlike ralphie I would never disrespect the Bada--Bing.

greatest pitcher who ever lived? :lol:

[BoSox Rule]

Only pitcher ever in the top 3 in WHIP, ERA+, H/9, K/9, and Opponents Batting Average.

 

He also had the best season ever, best 2 consecutive season, and best 7 year stretch

[ahhchon]

Originally posted by 2090@Dec 19 2004, 07:17 PM

greatest pitcher who ever lived? :lol:

i know, what was i thinking. mussina is so much better than pedro.

 

name one pitcher that put up better numbers than pedro.

 

john

[Yankeesin05]

Only pitcher ever in the top 3 in WHIP, ERA+, H/9, K/9, and Opponents Batting Average.

 

He also had the best season ever

 

 

There are plenty of pitchers that have had better seasons then Pedro.

[BoSox Rule]

No, there really aren't

 

Do you know much more impressive an ERA of 1.74 in Fenway 2000 is than anywhere else?

 

This should give you an idea. http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/...us_season.shtml

[Yankeesin05]

Well, I shouldn't say plenty, but there were better seasons.

[Yanksin2010]

You re seriously saying pedro is the best pitcher ever?

[BoSox Rule]

How do you define best?

 

Most talented: Easily

Most dominant: Easily

Most valuable: Easily. For Walter Johnson.

 

Would you say that is a fair analysis?

[Yanksin2010]

Just when I think iv'e heard it all...

[BoSox Rule]

I really don't think you can deny that Walter is the MV, and Pedro is the most dominant and talented, unless of course you're not even looking at numbers.

[Yanksin2010]

I'll give you he's in the top 5 for 3 or 4 seasons. But when his whole career is done, he won't make the top 10 for greatest pitchers ever.

[BoSox Rule]

You're nuts if you believe that. If anything, Shea will add to his greatness, and dominance. And 3 or 4 seasons? Try every season from 1997-2003 was amazing, and he was a top 5 pitcher in AL, top 10 in MLB this year.

[Yanksin2010]

Originally posted by BoSox Rule@Dec 19 2004, 08:18 PM

I really don't think you can deny that Walter is the MV, and Pedro is the most dominant and talented, unless of course you're not even looking at numbers.

Most dominant is Nolan ryan. No question about it. tell me when pedro has over 5,000 k's and 7 no hitters.

[BoSox Rule]

Originally posted by Yanksin2010+Dec 19 2004, 08:21 PM-->

QUOTE (Yanksin2010 @ Dec 19 2004, 08:21 PM)

[element1151]

Can the Yanks fans here back up what they say with some evidence and examples of other pitchers better seasons/careers.

[Yanksin2010]

Originally posted by element1151@Dec 19 2004, 08:23 PM

Can the Yanks fans here back up what they say with some evidence and examples of other pitchers better seasons/careers.

It's too early to say he's had the best career and I am saying he's had some of the best seasons.

[Yanksin2010]

Originally posted by BoSox Rule+Dec 19 2004, 08:22 PM-->

QUOTE (BoSox Rule @ Dec 19 2004, 08:22 PM)

Originally posted by Yanksin2010@Dec 19 2004, 08:21 PM

[Yankeesin05]

Of couse Nolan Ryan is A LOT better than Pedro.

 

 

Nolan Ryan:

no hitters-7

1 hitters-9

2 hitters-23

3 hitters-19

 

Pedro is one of the best Pitchers of our generation, but certainly not THE best.

[BoSox Rule]

Give me a second, this is going to be a long post.

[Yanksin2010]

Originally posted by Yankeesin05@Dec 19 2004, 08:26 PM

Of couse Nolan Ryan is A LOT better than Pedro.

 

 

Nolan Ryan:

no hitters-7

1 hitters-9

2 hitters-23

3 hitters-19

 

Pedro is one of the best Pitchers of our generation, but certainly not THE best.

He's the best in red sox history, one of the best in the last 20 years. Best in history of the game? NO.

[Yankeesin05]

Dwight Gooden ad a better season also, in his second year!

 

Gooden-24-4, 1.53 ERA, like 260 SO

Martinez-23-4, 2.07 ERA, 313 SO

 

 

Ron Guidry had a better season also

 

25-3, 1.74 ERA, 250 SO

 

 

Im not even going to get into the 50's and 60's.

[BoSox Rule]

Those are all UNADJUSTED STATS.

[Yankeesin05]

What do you mean?

[Yanksin2010]

Pedro is also obviously on the decline. A 1.68 gain in ERA from 03 to 04. Granted it will go down moving to the NL and shea, but it won't be very significant. I expect him to have about a 3.5 ERA.