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Devers went 4 for 4 at Pawtucket yesterday including a HR and a double. Castillo didn't get a hit, Holt was 1 for 5 and Brentz was 1 for 5 to give some context. Just one solid hit in Fenway last night might have won it.

I was thinking an even more drastic change is in order until some guys show signs of coming out of their slumps. 1) Lin 2) Pedey 3) Beni 4) JBJ 5) Hanley 6) Betts 7) Bogey 8) Moreland/Travis 9) Leon/Vazquez Right now neither Marerro or Young are enough of a threat at the plate to consider starting them. We have Holt, Devers and Brentz in the minors or DL. Could any give us a spark?

Last night we had 48PAas got 8 singles, 4 BBs and 12 SO's. The Yankee SP was very good but hard to believe the RP was that good. The guys we expect to hit and rely on are not hitting and even the ones we get on are not running the bases that well. Is there an answer? Those that profess the idea that batting order doesn't matter should consider what has been happening. The guys who have put up somewhat threatening ABs are Pedey, Hanley, Beni, JBJ and Lin. Somehow we need to string those guys together and move those in slumps around so they don't kill every rally. Plate approach is also questionable and may be the cause of some of the slumping. The Sox coontinued to take multiple good pitches, only to put themselves into pitchers counts and swing at balls off the plate. I doubt we can find enough solid hitters either in the minors or through trade to make a significant difference, so we need to try to get more from the roster. Anyone with any other suggestions?

Mookie is struggling right now and isn't providing much in the way of offense and neither is Bogey.

It would be easier to take had Pablo had been our only big miss in the period.

Agreed. I had to turn the game off after 11 as just too frustrating to watch. Our top of the order guys with the exception of Pedroia just aren't hitting. The plate approach seems to be an unvarying willingness to take a couple of strikes and then swing at balls off the plate. Mookie, Bogey, Moreland and Hanley just weren't much of a threat although Moreland did drive in the only run we could manage in 16 innings. I was surprised that we threw away a chance to go from 1st to 3rd on a hit to right field. We would have won the game had that one play been executed by Beni. Kimbrel definitely made a mistake giving up the gopher ball but he is human and is entitled to an error. The Yankee bullpen isn't that good. We have too find a way to score to support a great starting pitching and to a large extent relief pitching outing. I think it is time to consider some lineup changes to help Pedey, Beni, JBJ and Lin have at least looked like threats while the others have not. We definitely need help.

I just quit watching the game at the end of the 11th. The Sox had many chances to score but haven't been able. I can't take any more tonight. Last inning Pedie got to 2nd with no one out. Our top of the order and 3,4,5 hitters look helpless. Beni has hit well but should have made it to third on JBJ's hit but didn't make the try and would have scored on a fly ball. I hope for the best.

Typical GM speak. The Red Sox do have needs but don't want to do anything stupid in acquiring them. We can use another bullpen arm and another hitter who can play 3rd base. We do have financial limitations and clearly don't want to trade away A prospects. I expect that DD already has talked to many clubs and has identified potential deals with only two weeks left until the trade deadline.

I forgot to mention the double steal last night which was also important to the win. Chapman, like a lot of closers, doesn't seem to hold guys well.

Just finished watching the game and was pleased with the win, although the Yankees gave it to us. We squandered several chances early on, including a bases loaded no out situation with the top of the order up. Smart hitting would have got us more than one run, but other than Pedroia we didn't look smart at the plate. Pomeranz made a mistake to Sanchez. Don't know why he threw a fastball down the center of the plate when he had him set up for his effective curve ball. Otherwise, Pomeranz had a good performance. The notable performances for me were #1 Hanley who hit a two run shot, a hard hit single and worried the Yankees enough to draw a pass in the 9th. Good to see him have a that game. #2 Pedroia is a smart player and hitter and tonight was important with his crafty hitting. #3 Lin came in and made a nice catch and put up a good at bat, even though he finally struck out. #4 Beni came in an put in a charge on a ball for an out but then also drew the final walk. I really think had he not been walked he would have hit a ball to the outfield and won it anyway. I came away still thinking the Sox need some help in the hitting department and that DD must see that and knows he has to do something. The Yankees put up an all star from triple A tonight and he was overmatched at the plate. Maybe Devers would also have a lot of trouble makeing the adjustment. I am hoping for a trade that will give us one more good bat, although Lin impresses me.

Jhonny Peralta was brought through the organization and released yesterday. What were they hoping for there? Now Sandoval is released. Finally they moved Devers closer to ML callup and you have to wonder about the status of Rutledge and Holt. DD says he wants to make any trades by the 31st which is now just about 2 weeks away. If I were JH, I would warn my decision makers on personnel that bad choices would be reason for dismissal.

Makes you wonder how the Sox FO could be that stupid.

My understanding of Chavis is that while he appears to have a chance of hitting ML pitching, the Sox are not happy with his progress defensively. I am not sure where he would fit in the organization, with Pedey and Devers in the positions he would most likely qualify for. If he is a second choice asset, wouldn't it be better to trade him for someone who could help us now?

Well reasoned and expresses the possibilities of dealing with the third base performance issues in the clearest light. Personally, I have given up on Pablo, even though he has tried to resserect his career. It just hasn't happened and looks like one of our worst personnel moves in our recent history. It's difficult to understand the Red Sox FO position on Devers. It appears that they are not sold on his ability to improve our performance at 3rd base this year. They do need to make a decision soon as the alternatives are to stand pat or to try to pick up help before the trade deadline. Standing pat to me means keeping Lin in the fold as at least a flexible utility infielder with at least some offensive capability. The second part is to decide on whether Marrero or Rutledge is a better option to stand pat with. i am leery of Holt coming back this year as his injury history is a red flag to me. Others may see the stand pat option differently as Lin is certainly not a proven commodity at this early exposure but there is hope for him. Hard to see a renta 3rd base option that can improve the team for a reasonble cost in tradeable assets. I would look elsewhere myself for a renta relief pitcher to bolster our bull pen for the second half and get team improvement in that way.

I agree with you about Young and would even go so far as to resign him for next year. Good defender and as good a hitter as a utility player is likely to be. I would not expect Holt to return to form as his injuries have been increasing in severity. Brentz is not a good defensive player but may be adequate as an emergency fill in and pinch hitter.

I wonder if letting Young walk would be a good thing for the club. He still is a good defender and he still hits fairly well. Good untility sub for us unless someone offers more. I don't see anyone in our minor league system that is ready to replace any of our outfield.

What I noticed is the bats tend to bend as the hitter accelerates the bat, putting a whip into the stroke. Contact only lasts for milliseconds, which is far faster than the human eye can see and process. That someone can hit a baseball over 500 feet supplying mainly their own power is very rare. Actually there are cases where softballs have been hit that far as well. Man, would I love Judge to play in a Boston uniform. Lets find our own kid like that, only they only come around once in a generation, if that.

Sorry to hear that. I get to play year round in Florida and NC. Guys are still playing in their 80's and I hope to keep it together to join them. My brother is over 80 and still at it.

I don't want to trade Devers or Groome period. I can't see any addition that is even remotely possible as being worth either of them. Beltre would be good but we would have to get him for less.

The Sox as constituted have a lot of really good field players, but by and large our guys are small and lack power as compared to some of the other HR hitting teams. When you look at Beni, JBJ, Mookie, Pedey and Lin, anyone 6 feet tall looks big. Also Bogey, while bigger doesn't hit big. I would like to see us try to develop some power in the minors. Devers is not huge but does have power. Also the idea of getting Beltre back for the rest of the season and possibly next is a dream but it is a pleasant one. Why did we let him go? Perhaps Beltre could offer an alternative to Hanley, who has talent but appears to me to lack the kind of game smarts that make guys like Pedroia so valuable. We will have to live with Hanley through 2018 and hope he can catch on and provide us at least a solid middle of the lineup guy. I hope that will be the case but don't really expect it.

I'm continuing to play softball in the old mens league and we get to use double walled carbon fiber bats. It is well known that the bats have a break in period in which some of the fibers break making the bats more flexible and springier. So the more flexible bat also tends to result in longer hits. I don't buy into the idea that a harder stiffer bat produces longer fly balls.

The futures game was staffed by the best young pitching talent in the leaague, with a lot of flame throwers including Kopech. The hitters at got to see each pitcher once, so it must have been hard to adapt. I watched Devers at bats. He got a single on a softly hit drive to right field on the first pitch on his first at bat. He looked overpowered on two more and hit a line drive to first base on another. I wouldn't draw too much of a conslusion from those results. I can believe he might not be aa answer coming up and playing third base right now. Either Lin or a rental might be the better solution until the later season roster expansion.

I don't put too much store in what DD says publicly. No GM is likely to show his hand and weaken his position. We all know we could use a 3rd baseman, whether it is Devers or a rental will depend on what DD is offered. Lin continues to show value at least as a utility player. In future, he may be a candidate to hit leadoff. We will need to wait and see if this short ML period for him is an abberation or a hit of things to come. He did have 3 hits today at a time when Bogie, Beni and Moreland had none. I sincerely hope we don't trade him away.

We have very good pitching that keeps us in games but we also have flaws in the hitting department. As I said before, one game doesn't bother me, but 3 games in 4 days with 5 hits or less signals a weakness and is something to be concerned about. We have seen this same weakness earlier in the year and have been concerned then as well. The plate approach where we took a first strike, many right down the miiddle, on batter after batter, gave Cobb a leg up. When he got ahead our hitters didn't do much. You talk about not being satisfied if we don't score 5 to 9 runs. Think about it again. We scored no runs and got 3 hits on a day when our pitcher held them to 1. I am for making adjustments at the plate and perhaps using pinch hitters when they are called for.

Any one game can go the way of poor hitting and scoring. When it starts to be a defining situation for a team, then you have to ask yourself why. Earlier in the season, we had that trend. Thats to some extent why this thread was put together. That is also why when we start to go back into that MO that it becomes a concern.