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Assuming the "two A prospects" are Devers and Groome, I wouldn't do that. That's a huge package to give up for a guy who also comes with almost $300 million left on his contract...it's more than we gave up for Sale, who doesn't have much in the way of injury history and whose contract is an extreme bargain. The Marlins are going to want to shed the salary first and foremost, and I don't think they'd be able to insist on anything near that kind of haul.

Great job, Dumbrowski! Who'd we even get for him, anyway?

Sale has a 0.61 ERA and 0.71 WHIP in his 4 no-decisions this season and 2.64/0.85 in his 4 losses...it's amazing to think he could pretty easily have 6 or 7 more wins right now than he does (11). He also may hit the 200 strikeout mark tonight as he's only 9 away. What a remarkable season he's having.

If we can find another under-the-radar gem like Ziegler and get him for a reasonable price, sign me up, but something tells me we won't get that lucky again.

I could live with this, too. Travis may never hit for a lot of power, as you mentioned, but I think his bat will be more than adequate nonetheless. While I appreciate how Moreland has tried to play through his foot injury, I wonder if placing him on the DL and giving Travis an extended tryout these last few weeks wouldn't have been a better idea.

The remaining 3B on the market (with the possible exception of Moustakas, if available) look pretty blah to me. Not sure any of them would move the needle for us much more than Devers could. As solid as Moreland was early on, he's been sinking like a rock over the last month-plus, and I'm coming around to the idea that the biggest upside may lie in upgrading at 1B...

Moustakas has a .299 OBP...he's better than Frazier, but not nearly enough that I'd give up Devers for him.

Jon Heyman‏Verified account @JonHeyman 9m9 minutes ago red sox scouted 3 mets -- flores as well as asdrubal and (tj) rivera -- as 3b alternatives. lowrie, harrison, solarte also seen as in mix

I was up in the air about getting Frazier - fine with it if the price was reasonable, but also fine with moving on if it was not. Given that we saw another, much better rental bat (Martinez) dealt last night for an underwhelming return, there's every reason to suspect that Frazier alone would not have cost a lot -- but it also looks like the White Sox wanted to package him with Robertson and Kahnle to maximize the return, which they certainly did. Rutherford is a very good prospect. The Red Sox likely could not and should not have tried to match what the Yankees gave up here. I'm not sure the "just stand pat and call up Devers" crowd should take too much encouragement from this, though. If the Red Sox really did want Frazier, I'm not sure what makes people think Dombrowski will just give up on making a trade after losing out on him. From reports last night, we're still considering a number of different names...if anything, I worry about us overreacting and doing something even more foolish out of a perceived need to "counter" what New York did. This isn't over yet...

Jon Heyman and Ken Rosenthal are reporting the Yanks are close to a deal for Frazier, Robertson and Kahnle...if true, it'll be interesting to see what that cost. Step back from the ledge, Moon!

Lol, I saw that. Last summer one of them had me thinking we were getting Quintana for about 5 seconds.

Phil Rogers‏Verified account @philgrogers No word on Frazier trade (yet) but he's in dugout doing round of hugs and handshakes. 5:02 PM - 18 Jul 2017

It's easy to forget now, but Masterson did have a couple of pretty good years and there was a time when people bitched about us trading him. (Though, to be fair, someone on BDC bitched about literally everything.) And if we're not just talking about starters, I'd count Bard as a successful one, even if he lost it later on. You know it's not a good sign when you have to go back to 2008-09ish to find our most recent pitching development success stories, though.

Martinez is great, but I don't know what we would have done with him...much as you might wish Hanley wasn't here, he is, and he's not been nearly bad enough to justify a Pablo-style banishment and writing off of his salary.

Frazier is a healthy scratch from the White Sox lineup tonight... Bruce Levine‏ @MLBBruceLevine Todd Frazier a healthy scratch from the lineup .? Boston appears close to getting him and David Robertson Money appears right as well. 4:38 PM - 18 Jul 2017

"Don't f***ing talk to me about Limbo."--Rusney Castillo

Agree.

You guys have just about talked me out of Frazier... the Big D may not be reading this forum, however: Bob Nightengale‏Verified account @BNightengale 28m28 minutes ago The #Redsox moving closer to acquiring #Whitesox 3B Todd Frazier. Be interesting if Boston can get David Robertson as setup man in package

Alex Speier @alexspeier With Fister not starting on Tuesday after yesterday's 50-plus pitch relief outing, Brian Johnson & Hector Velazquez are candidates to start. 11:15 AM · Jul 16, 2017

Devers is 4-for-4 with a 2B and a HR in his Triple-A debut.

Frazier for a couple of B/C-list prospects would probably be fine with me, but what I'd be willing to give might not be enough for the White Sox. (Although, skimming through the first few pages of that WS fan thread Harmony posted, their expectations hardly seem to be over the moon...)

Lol f*** you, Chapman lololol.

? Kind of an odd place for this comment...even after his recent slump (and keeping in mind he has been playing through an injury), Moreland has been very solid on an unobtrusive 1-year deal.

Pablo gone and Devers to AAA...what a time to be alive.

The team has announced Pablo Sandoval has been designated for assignment.