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I'm more inclined to have the core group for the future altogether sooner rather than later....I'd like to see Benintendi and Moncada for 2017 season to go with the killer B's. -Nick I really want us to do everything to avoid trading Moncada and Benintendi. I also really like Espinoza, but with him being so far away from the bigs, and our poor record developing top starting pitchers, I'd be okay moving him for the right pitcher. I'm also extremely high on Swihart as well, but we are going to have to give up something very good to get something very good. I've racked my brain trying to find the right team to match up in trade, but so far have not found a solid young starter under team control for 3.3+ more years on a team looking for the package I'd prefer to give up- something like Swihart, Devers, Travis, Kopech and Owens or Johnson. Let's assume we can do that. Here's how I see next year's roster shaping up: SP1) Price SP2) PLAYER from trade SP3) Porcello SP4) Wright SP5) ERod/ FA pitcher SP6) ERod/Kelly/Elias/O'Sullivan/Owens or Johnson Closer) Kimbrel RP2) C Smith RP3) FA or trade RP4) FA or trade RP5) Hembree RP6) Barnes RP7) Ross/Layne/Workman/Ramirez/Light/Martin/ or others C) Vazquez/Hanigan/Leon 1B) Ramirez (Shaw) 2B) Pedroia/Holt (Moncada) 3B) Shaw/Sandoval/Rutledge (Moncada) SS) Bogaerts/Hernandez/Marrero LF) Benintendi/Young (Moncada) CF) Bradley (Betts) RF) Betts (Young) DH) Moncada (Sandoval/Ramirez) I know missing Papi will be a huge loss, but this non-pitching roster looks very nice to me.

Most people know my views on the Kimbrel trade, so I don't want to open up that old can of worms. I realize Margot was "expendable" due to the presence of Benintendi (and maybe even Moncada possibly moving to the OF), but some of us suggested expanding the package to involve Swihart and/or Devers to get a SP'er not a closer. Giving up so many prospects for a closer is something I think should be avoided. The fact that Kimbrel was being paid almost as much as an open market free agent was just too much for me to support. I'm not going to use Kimbrel's injury to make any points. It's an unforeseen event. Getting Kimbrel certainly improved our odds on winning this year, and despite his struggles this year, he has helped us a lot so far. I hope he comes back int ime for the playoffs, but I'm not holding my breath.

Yes, and the supposed "good Basaba" is doing poorly.

Ooops. This is what MLBTR's had. I suppose we'll be sending Noe Ramirez down.

They say Kimbrel will miss 3-6 weeks. My guess is more than 6 and maybe the whole year. This sucks! Here's the 25 man roster as of now: (13 pitchers) Betts Pedroia Bogaerts Ortiz Ramirez Bradley Holt Shaw Leon Hanigan A Hill M Martinez Brentz Price Wright Porcello O'Sullivan Buchholz Uehara Ziegler Tazawa Hembree Barnes Ross Layne N Ramirez DL: Kimbrel, C Smith, Workman Swihart, Sandoval, Young, Rutledge

Many teams have multiple injuries; here's the list of our guys currently on the DL: Kimbrel C Smith Sandoval Swihart Young Rutledge Workman Holt just got back. HanRam looked very hurt last night.

Craig Kimbrel To Have Knee Surgery, Miss 3-6 Weeks By Charlie Wilmoth | July 9, 2016 at 12:34pm CDT Red Sox closer Craig Kimbrel needs surgery to repair cartilage in his left knee and will be out three to six weeks, Evan Drellich of the Boston Herald tweets. Kimbrel had an MRI after experience knee soreness yesterday. The 28-year-old Kimbrel, acquired at the start of the season in a big trade with the Padres, has a modest 3.55 ERA in his first year with Boston, but with his usual dominant peripherals — he has a ridiculous 13.6 K/9 to go with 4.1 BB/9 over 33 innings. He’s also recorded 17 saves this season.

That's gonna hurt us badly.

If it makes no difference on years of control, I'm more inclined to say yes, bring him up when the Sox management thinks he's ready.

This from MLBTR: Red Sox president of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski says that he still has hope that Eduardo Rodriguez can contribute to the team this year, as Alex Speier of the Boston Globe reports. That assessment could well have an impact on the team’s approach to the trade deadline. “If people would be looking to say we’re going to be getting someone more talented than Eduardo Rodriguez, it’s not going to happen,” said Dombrowski. “They’re just not out there. They’re not out there and available. Sometimes you’ve got to fix some things internally. We’ll see what happens.” Regardless of the Red Sox’ views on Rodriguez, the team figures to be in the hunt for at least one rotation arm. As Evan Drellich of the Boston Herald reports, Boston has been in touch with the Padres, who could market Drew Pomeranz and/or Andrew Cashner (though the latter had a really rough outing tonight). Also, senior VP of baseball ops Frank Wren is said to have watched both Rich Hill of the Athletics and Julio Teheran of the Braves recently.

,,, but he continues to keep getting hurt.

I tend to agree. However, if Sox management thinks he's ML ready, and we need his bat, I'm fine with losing a year of control to give us a better chance of making the playoffs AND having him on the roster for the playoffs. I'd look for other options before calling him up and losing the year.

He hardly ever lets up HRs. We needed a RP'er, so I guess I like the deal. I think the "other" Basabe might come back to haunt us, but deals like this need to be done. Here's more from MLBTR... Red Sox president of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski says that he still has hope that Eduardo Rodriguez can contribute to the team this year, as Alex Speier of the Boston Globe reports. That assessment could well have an impact on the team’s approach to the trade deadline. “If people would be looking to say we’re going to be getting someone more talented than Eduardo Rodriguez, it’s not going to happen,” said Dombrowski. “They’re just not out there. They’re not out there and available. Sometimes you’ve got to fix some things internally. We’ll see what happens.” Regardless of the Red Sox’ views on Rodriguez, the team figures to be in the hunt for at least one rotation arm. As Evan Drellich of the Boston Herald reports, Boston has been in touch with the Padres, who could market Drew Pomeranz and/or Andrew Cashner (though the latter had a really rough outing tonight). Also, senior VP of baseball ops Frank Wren is said to have watched both Rich Hill of the Athletics and Julio Teheran of the Braves recently.

I don't think I've ever been for rebuilding a rotation from the bottom, but I'm not sure we've ever had a contending team with such atrocious 4-5 starters. With the need for 2 SP'ers this summer, and the cost being so high, I think this is the first time I would suggest we get a (rental) guy like Hellickson along with a solid #2 type pitcher with several years of team control.

And, maybe all those IP'd at a young age is a precursor to future injury issues, especially with his poor mechanics. You could add Beckett's 43 IP in the playoffs to his numbers and it would close that gap somewhat. We could go on and on.

Helickson was showing decline with the Rays, so I'm not sure you can take his numbers vs the AL East at face value.

With HanRam recent resurgence, we now have 8 players with 140+ PAs and an .800+ OPS! 1.106 Ortiz .931 JBJ .867 Bogey .866 Betts (My mid May projection of Betts finishing top 3 is looking good) .846 Young .810 Pedey .801 Ramirez .801 Shaw (.780 Hill in 292 PAs w/ MIL) .724 Holt .583 Vaz With Hill, it's 9 guys over .780, but we do need a catcher. (I'm not sure Leon will still be over .800 after 140 PAs.) Looking at the teams just below us (the leader at 476 scored) in runs scored, let's see how "balanced" they are: 444 Cubs 4 over .800/5 over .780 440 COL 7 & 7 439 STL 4 & 5 (but 3 over .900) 433 TOR 4 & 6 430 BAL 5 & 6 426 TEX 3 & 4 422 SEA 6 & 6 413 CLE 4 & 4 OPS Splits vs RHPs: 1 BOS, 2 BAL, 2 STL, 4 COL, 5 SEA, 6 TOR, 8 CLE, 9 CUBS, 15 TEX vs LHPs: 4 Cubs, 5 BOS, 7 TEX, 11 COL, 14 TOR, 17 SEA, 20 BAL, 24 CLE, 26 STL Away: 1 STL, 2 BOS, 3 Cubs, 5 BAL, 8 SEA, 13 TOR, 17 TEX, 24 CLE, 26 COL As you can see, the Sox are the only team in the top 8 in all 3 categories listed. We are top 5 in each! Folks, we need PITCHING!

One thing missing here: Beckett's playoff performance in 2003: 42.2 IP 10 ER (2.11 ERA) 21 H 12 BB 47 Ks Including beating the Yanks in the WS. Beckett was a "money pitcher" and up until 2008 was on pace to become one of the best playoff SP'ers of all time. Then, the cliff. .

I'd have given him a shot, but I know DD and company know more about Wilkerson than I do, and I trust they felt they were selling "high", or that the need for Hill was much greater than what they felt the best Wilkerson could have given us. They may also have some cheap trade option on the table to get someone they view is better than Wilkerson.

My opinion? Shaw was my sleeper prospect pick many years ago, but then I gave up on him after his yo-yo'ing in AA and AAA that led to unimpressive numbers at those levels. In my opinion, his nice start to MLB is more "flash" than an incite into what will follow. He made some early adjustments that got my hopes up like everyone else, but I think I have held doubts longer than most posters. I still have serious doubts he will ever be a full time plus 3B or 1Bman. You have to be a damn good hitter to be a plus at those positions, although 3B isn't what it used to be offensively. If I had to bet, I'd say he will be a decent platoon corner IF'er and capable bench guy/PH'er. If he played for a team that could afford to play him FT, he might end up with numbers like this: .240 to .255 20-25 HRs and 70+ RBIs. As a platoon, his numbers would look better.

So, since DD is not the current GM, all that is done now is all Mike Hazen's fault. I never hear his name on this site or in any discussions, but clearly he's an example of how GMs are not always "in charge" of every or evena ny mov es..

I'm sure DD knows about Shaw's struggles vs LHPs throughout his minor league career. He's not fooled by a flash small sample size. It's Shaw's full portfolio, not just this season's struggles vs lefties, that brought about the search for a RH'd hiting 3Bman. Hill has been pretty good vs LHPs and RHPs, which is nice to have. Over his career he's .762 vs LHPs and .741 vs RHPs.

I totally agree, but I guess had he come up to the bigs for us and stunk, we wouldn't have Hill right now.

I think he did better vs LHPs back in 2012 (A or AA), but I'm not sure. Clearly he has had major issues vs lefties for his whole career. Expecting a player to have mastered something like that seemingly over night is probably more wishful thinking than logical projecting.

It worked "splendidly", as you said, and I pointed out that too, but we paid for 3 years of Vic and got one 3/4 season just in the nick of time. Dempster gave us a great present by retiring. I loved Napoli, and defended him through all his slumps, and the first signing was clearly a great one, but the second one-maybe not. Those were the "issues" I was referring to. There was also the "mixed bag" of signing Drew. (Note: I give Theo a lot of credit for the 2013 roster as well.)