moonslav59

Rock-em-sock-em.

The point was about you not Vince or Bloom. Yes, WOW!

I'm well aware of that fact. It was actually near .500 when Bloom was fired, but certainly the record after he left should count. For four years, all we heard was it's all about the W-L record, but now, we should believe we were really worse than our losing record indicated. Go figure.

You never get the point.

I never said anything about you saying 2021 did not count. You said this.... 22 games over 500 in 2021, which was the outlier for Bloom makes the overall record better than things really were. It didn’t cover up the two losing last in the Div teams though. Were you saying the actual and final W-L record does not reflect just how bad things were under Bloom, or not? It sounds to me like his W-L records wasn't bad enough for you, so you had to "make excuses" why we shouldn't look at just wins and losses, because 2021 made things look better than they really were. You still don't see the hypocrisy, do you? By the way, say I felt the 2022 team was better than it's record indicated due to a tough schedule was not whining or crying: it was stating facts. If you do think it's whining and crying, then so is your comments about 2021 skewing Bloom's record to make him look not as bad as you think he should.

Excuses are fine by you: I see.

Sounds like a bunch of excuses not allowed to be used for the next GM. Who needs "context?"

Too bad my Packers hired a coach with no head coaching experience without interviewing anyone else.

We know what you mean by your overused fork in the road comments. Your post was no where near related to what my comment was about, and I think you meant "So was..." not "So wasn't..."`but I don't want to be accused of "over analyzing your posts."

loom= Bloom. I was trying to type from my phone. For years you blased us for trying to say maybe the team was better than their record indicated- due to a tougher schedule/division, and that it's only about wins and losses. No excuses. Now, you try to say Bloom's record is not as good as the wins and losses indicated, because one big season skewed the results and made him look better than he really was. You don't see the concept being presented? If yes, you do understand, you won't answer to get point, but instead go off on some unrelated concept or something we got wrong. Try just responding to one actual point being made with an answer related to the point. Just once.

Great analogy. Does a fighter who does fight with one hand tied behind his back and loses a bad fighter?

Again, this has nothing to do with my point. You bashed us for adding context to the Wins and Losses, then do it yourself, by trying to say loom was worse than his record indicated because of ‘21. Just once. Try responding ding to that instead of defecting.

Huh?

your fork in the road and 3rd fork comments were stale a year ago.

No, like making excuse about how he was worse than what his final record indicates, when all along you are always about just wins and losses. Any context we add is “making excuses,” so if think your comment about the 2021 record is doing a similar thing to those you criticise

How is this even related to my point?

Lmao!

Never an answer- just deflections.

How is this not just like making excuses?

He might have done better, but I just don't get this whole idea that the circumstances would have changed, because DD stayed. I think the friction started between DD and upper bosses, soon after 2018. The changes in budget and prospect trading strategies seemed to change at the time the friction happened. Coincidence? Maybe. I am very certain, there is no way DD wins a ring with BOS from 2020 to 2023, unless some parameters changed drastically. He didn't get them to change their minds back in 2019, I doubt he'd have done it in 2020 or afterwards.

If winning is all that matters, we just need to win and this "light" thing won't matter anymore.

No doubt, many will fail or fall short of many of our expectations. It's hard to imagine many farm systems can reproduce a Betts, Bogey and Raffy in such a short period of time. I don't think any of us are thinking that is what we should expect. Yes, our young players who looked good, this year, still need to prove it was a not a fluke, but it's more encouraging to see so many do well than poorly. Even guys we gave up on, or nearly did, showed signs of life in 2023, namely Duran, Crawford and Wink, so early discouraging signs can't always be believe, either. I think you are wrong to say a better ranked farm only means it might be better than before. It also means it looks better than most other teams, at this moment, and that is much more encouraging about the future than being ranked 26th to 30th. They may all be duds. They may all end up like ben's farm that was traded away. That is true, but all a GM can really do is to try and improve the possibilities of positive outcomes. Nothing is certain in MLB. I happen to think our possibilities have improved over 4 years. Some think otherwise or don't want to be bothered with even thinking about this. To each his own. All I can say is I think our future looks better now than it did after any season since 2019, except for before 2022, due to our fine showing in '21.

I'm not "confident" the team leadership will switch gears, anytime soon, but I do think the foundation of our roster and budget have improved noticeably since 2020. It's not just about the farm. Although there are still many questions about our younger players and what we can expect from them going forward, we have a a lot of them, who have already shown glimpses of high abilities. Yes, we can be fooled by players like Dalbec and Duran, before 2023, but we don't need them all to do as well or better than they have shown. While Wong and McGuire sort of ended the season on a sour note, along with the whole team, they look more promising, now, than this time, last year (to me, anyway.) Casas looks like the best case for saying he has proven he belongs as a FT MLB player. His D needs a lot of work, but I am confident in his bat. I feel 10 times better about him than this time last year. EValdez looks scary on D, but has shown some promise he can transfer his minor league offensive numbers to the bigs. Reyes and Urias both have show skills, at some points in their careers- Urias for 2 full seasons.) Our OF took leaps and bounds forward from its pitiful 2022 showing, but mostly from vets (Dugo, Duvall and Japan vet Yoshida,) but Duran looked like a different person in 2023. Rafaela and Abreu showed some skills in limited time. With Dugo, Yoshida and Ref still on the roster, we don't need all 3 to be great in 2024- just maybe one, or two to be just good. What most excites me is how well some of our younger and pre-prime pitchers did, this year. Wick and Crawford look way better than we thought, this time last year. While Bloo struggled at the end of 2023, I'm not sure a single poster felt more highly about him, last October than this one. Houck and Whitlock took steps back, and it's hard to know what they will give us, next year, but I'm guessing at least one will be good, especially if neither are in the rotation. Devers, Story, Yoshida, Dugo, Martin and Jansen are the vets. (Devers may be younger than some of the "kids" I mentioned, but he's a vet.) I like our base, but we have 4 gaping holes (and they are doozies): SP1 SP2 SP4 Big RHB (CF? or 2B?) Maybe LH RP can make it 5, but I don't count our 5th or 6th best RP'er as "major."

I've thought about that, too. If that was the "long term plan," all along, the Story, Yoshida and Devers contracts still fit into that window. All the others were just placeholders, including Jansen and Martin. I had hopes 2023 would be "the year," and I see 2024 as promising, but only if we go "all in" on the rotation, which seems doubtful. We'll still need pitching in 2025, so maybe we go for a young one, this winter (and punt 2024) and add another in 2025. Like I've said, I'm done expecting it to happen, ever. I'm not saying I think JH will never spend, again, but I'm not going to expect it to happen for any "next season." I believe it when I see it.

Espinoza was a top 20 pitcher nationwide. How many of those do we get?