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CC can't go much farther. He turns into a pumpkin at 70 pitches.

They need to trade Beni while his value is high. He is not more than a good MLB player...nothing special. JD is more an issue of what he does with his option.

Chavis is just the guy to hit CC. If he had gotten a CC meatball he would have sent it to Mars.

He never has anything. Has not had anything for at least the last 5 years.

39 pitches and CC seems to recognize he is in the 4th inning more than just having 39 pitches. "Gee Boonie am I still supposed to be out here?"

CC had one really bad start against us last year. One really good start against us where he looked like this for 7 innings and two ho-hum. Boone knows that when CC explodes its nuclear so he does not leave him in for very long once he starts getting tagged. Its an almost immediate response from Boone when it comes to CC. I hate Voit. He looks like a wounded Rhino barreling down the 3rd base line. Christ that is how I would look and I'm twice his age...Geez maybe three times his age.

Because he is a junker. We can't hit junkers. Give us one of these jet fuel merchants like Paxton and he's toast. Put one of these goofy spinners out there and we have no clue what to do with him.

f***ing fatso....33 pitching for 3 innings. He is going to get to go 6 at this rate which is a f***ing crime.

I hate replay...just hate it and after last night, they can't even get foul ball right??? Gimme a break. Waste of time. Would rather see managers out there howling and screaming and getting tossed.

Come on NESN...you have super slow. Give it to us

Nice play Michael

Fatbathia will do that to you. He is much more like Cashewnuts who would have very likely had as much success pitching against us yesterday as he had against the Yankmees. Its the Paxton's of the world with their FB velo nonsense that are meat to Red Sox hitters. CC does not last long though and when he does finally explode 4th, maybe 5th inning it will be nuclear.

Look at the flags. He hit that AGAINST the wind and look where it landed.

OB discovers the rocket ship 2/3 the way through the season.

Its already the toughest. The fall sun just makes it just that much tougher.

So you guys think what, that Mookie just woke up one morning and decided to start swinging at crap and letting good pitches go by or does it make more sense that Mookie was not getting enough good pitches early in the season and got anxious and confused by it? If you boys think it JUST HAPPENED then we better trade him because it can JUST HAPPEN again.

The Yankmees probably need Sanchez back at least if not Sanchez and Gardner. They have already proven then can survive without Stanton. Probably need a starting pitcher as well.

Its called Weighted Factoring. Not to be taken seriously outside of one weighted factor per statistic. OPS+ is already over the line. Two weighted factors, park and league. Now you want to claim that the rocket ship is in there. Claim it if you want to but you are already past statistical merit in factoring for park and league as that is two weighted factors. All you end up with is a stew. Have a venture capitalist visit your company with intentions to buy it and show him statistics with multiple weighted factors in them and he will be out the door faster than you can hail him a cab. It is in fact virtually the entire reason why even with all of the data crunching available today, a company "book" or annual report still includes a maddening number of separate line items because its money we are talking about and its the only way to present statistical data of merit. You want to have fun with numbers....be my guest. But if the team I root for is making player personnel decisions and trade decisions based on statistics that employ multiple weighted factors in a given statistical measure and I will ask for a new front office, one that can see the forest and the trees. On top of that you are trying to derive a weighted factor from a statistic that is already being weighted. The only way to do it would be to have a factor specific to the baseball itself. then you can develop a stat that employs that weighted factor. Even then you are kidding yourself if you think you can add it to a statistic that is already using two weighted factors. All you will have done is blended them into a mishmash of unreliable data added to what is already unreliable data as OPS+ already employs two weighted factors. Again, if you want to have fun with numbers, be my guest.But until Manfred admits what he is doing and provides you with the year by year weighting for the baseball, you are out of luck. You don't know more about the player in question using multiple weighted factor statistics. If anything, you know less.

OPS+ adjusts for park and league. That hardly gets it done. The rocket ship is a wholly independent element from park and league and Manfred has already changed it twice from the 2016 rocket ship. You are bastardizing your own stat to just claim "its covered". In fact, you cannot even calculate by how much you should factor it, But if you are going to fairly look at player seasonal stats and compare them to same player career and other season and then compare that player to other players using the same elements, you are done now unless somebody comes up with a real means to factor the rocket ship. You can use OPS+ to compare players in a specific season now and that is about it. In fact, OPS is out the window for that matter.

And your argument is what? Betts just decided to swing at crap earlier this year? I did not say a damed thing about one game against one pitcher. You stat guys need to get a life because as soon as you are challenged you turn rather bitchy about your binkie.

Tell Manfred that. He just blew the whole stat interest right out the window with his stupid meddling with the baseball. What are the stat masters going to do next, create OPS+RS for OPS+ including a factor for the rocket ship baseball? Good luck with that. You would have already had to change it three times just between 2016 and now. The favorite pastime of valuing players has been career numbers versus current season numbers and current season numbers vs recent season numbers. That is shot now. Write a letter to the league office if you don't like it. But if you don't acknowledge it, you have your head in the sand.

1. Aaron Hicks (S) CF 2. Aaron Judge ® RF 3. Edwin Encarnacion ® DH 4. Luke Voit ® 1B 5. Didi Gregorius (L) SS 6. Gleyber Torres ® 2B 7. Gio Urshela ® 3B 8. Mike Tauchman (L) LF 9. Kyle Higashioka ® C 1. Mookie Betts ® RF 2. Rafael Devers (L) 3B 3. Xander Bogaerts ® SS 4. J.D. Martinez ® DH 5. Christian Vazquez ® C 6. Andrew Benintendi (L) LF 7. Sam Travis ® 1B 8. Michael Chavis ® 2B 9. Jackie Bradley Jr. (L) CF

This year's beni is not last year's beni for one AND I am sure you know that. All pitchers especially in this version of MLB try to get hitters to chase including Mookie. Mookie WAS chasing much more early in this season. You can shimmy and shake all you want to...the notion that the batting order does not matter is a laughable absurdity. While you quoted my post, you did zippo to answer it. When Cora put Mookie, Rafi, X 1,2, 3 in the order Mookie's season turned around and the entire offense turned around. If you want to live in denial of that, be my guest.

Rafi might be seeing some better pitches to hit batting ahead of X. But he really does not need them. Neither does Bellinger for that matter. Devers dives across the batter's box because pitchers are not good enough at pitching inside to stop him and Bellinger does not have to dive across. He plants himself in the box with his lead elbow hung out over the inner third of the plate and pitcher's don't stop him either. As such both Bellinger and Rafi reach out as much as 3-6 inches outside the plate and can knock the rocket ship over the wall. They are allowed by the legions of s*** pitchers that occupy MLB unis these days to just cover the whole plate. Don Drysdale is likely turning in his grave. Point being I cannot even tell if Rafi is seeing better pitches hitting ahead of X. Rafi is out of the AB and on his way around the bases before most pitchers are even up to a 2-1 count. Mookie does not do that. That is not his swing and he is not going to convert to a Bellinger or Rafi-like approach at this stage of his career. Why should he? As long as he is seeing good pitches to hit and not wasting swings on pitches he can't hit (which is what he was doing earlier this year) he is fine. But he will always need what are for him good pitches to hit. Why do you think Mookie was swinging at so many lousy pitches to hit early in the year, pitches he could not even get a bat onto? Do you think the notion just struck him to swing at that s*** or do you think it more likely that he was just not seeing enough of the pitches he rakes on and started seeing pitches that really were not good pitches for him as pitches he maybe should swing at. You can guess at what point in the season I think Mookie started seeing more of what for him are good pitches to hit. Just as an aside, it does not matter the level of serious baseball a hitter is playing at when he starts to slump and knows he is not seeing the pitches he is used to seeing. He thinks in his own mind that he is NEVER again going to see the volume of HIS pitches to hit ever again, that the league has figured him out. As unrealistic and pessimistic an expectation as that might seem to people that have never faced that predicament, that is what happens in the hitter's head. He was seeing nothing hitting ahead of Beni and he knows it. So there is that as well, the effect hitting ahead of Rafi might have had in Mookies head is as real as the actual fact of seeing better pitches for him to hit....like it or not.

I would not immediately sell short CC's ability to shut down the Sox for whatever period of time he is out there. Frankly if Cashewnuts was pitching against us instead of for us, he likely would have done as well against us on Friday as he did v. the Yankmees. Tanaka simply had a bad start and he never recovers during a bad start. Paxton with all his 98 velo horse s*** never had a shot against this Red Sox team, probably the best FB hitting team in the AL. CC is much more Cashewnuts than Paxton and by a wide margin. How long Fatbathia can stay out there on the mound is always an issue for the Yankmees though. I would expect CC to be effective if not very effective up till the 5th or 6th inning and then fall apart entirely and all at once at that point.