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Well, at least he doesn't apply the 7 Rs rule as a "tactic/strategy"

Did anyone notice the gesture in their (Ortiz, Gonzalez, Pedroia, youkilis, etc.) faces after the HR? This rotation literally killed the best offense in all BB in September just like that, they didn't need more time.

Gone by their rookie. 21 yo huh!

Almost every pitcher this season my friend, almost any pitcher.

What he has to try is with the pitching. Send Bard or Aceves or a kid from the farm. Our rotation is a blank check already, so...We have nothing else to lose.

Well, at this point Atchison is doing what our ace can't do anymore, throw strikes.

This could end with an epic score.

Papi's face said it all... "f*** these bums pitchers."

Embarrassing, simply embarrassing.

And here we go, again...dammit Oh Crawford!

This.

Really?, It made me vomit a bit. If there's no more options (unlikely), I would put Bard as a starter any single day above Miller/Wake/Lackey/Wieland/D-k But again, we don't need to be scientists in order to know that this rotation needs at least one solid/healthy SP.

Hell, it's shocking how this organization has wasted Those tons of money, wow!... simply unreal.

Sure, he is arguably a good/talented general manager, but still the pile of failures are out there. If the Sox miss the playoffs, the blame has to start with Theo Epstein (would have an accumulative of 3-years of failures in a row -- beyond isolated events like 2009 season --) -- the scope of the note is 3-4 years as well ---

SNAP!. Shocking!. Illustrative! Convincing !. Forceful.! Words more, words less; numbers more, numbers less; names more, names less; in the end, all our concerns and discussions about Mr. Theo Epstein for the last couple of weeks are here. Who is the brave and give him another 100 MUSD next season? Who says, I? Send this case to Harvard Business School and put it next to Enron's case.

Exactly. IMO if this team at least goes to the ALCS, Theo can continue but still, questions will have to be answered, and his permanence to 2013 will depend on his performance of 2012 season. On the other hand, if this team make the WS (notice that I didn't say win it, some around here have made me softer ), I would give him 3 more years, and E1 could go in peace. :harhar: No, we don't. As I said, we are putting 3 years on the table. The last three 3 years. Enough scope to me in order to make a considerable move in our foundations (GM/Coaches/players/farm,etc.). It doesn't matter how you split the W/L columns through time -- months/weeks/days --. The only thing that matters in order to rate his job will be the overall result through 3 years. We aren't considering isolated events in order to rate his job. It is not September 2011, It is not April 2011, It is not go out early in 2009 and It is not even make the playoffs in 2011 or 2010. What we are considering in order to rate his management, is a range of THREE FULL YEARS. Reason why we have to wait how this 2011 season ends in order to deliberate. That being said... One the other hand and regarding to your question, as I said, make the POs is a must to this team. It is not an achievement and it shouldn't be taken as a goal. This is not TB or KC baseball. You take the POs for granted since day 1 as an organization's milestone -- among a lot other during the season --. When do you start talking about an achievement? When you make at least the ALCS and IMO you can rate that achievement like this: LOSE ALCS Average WIN ALCS Good WIN WS Excellent Just for the record. I wish/hope/desire that Theo continues 3 more years or at least 1 year which would mean that we made this year the WS/ALCS. But again, the things are not deserved but earned.

E1, you are missing completely our point. Our point has been: if this team fails again this year -- don't make the POs or go early like in 2009-- this team would have achieved nothing but 3 years in a row of full failures, and the GM and Co. should go. Clear? On the other, you already agreed that Theo should charge the main load of our issues already discussed (FA, farm/pitching depth, etc) which have been the main cause of this 3-year-debacle. That being said, IMO (my point) we would have seen enough and the ship would be ready for another chief in command. Nobody is taking away his credit (WS), or doubting about his talent or wishing any bad to him. But a cycle could be end if we fail again this year. Any organization has cycles. The Boston Red Sox is not immune to that. As I said, 3 years in a row of failures would've been enough to me. The signs/results are there. You say no, give him more time (reason why I asked: what else you need to see in order to make a move). Sure, it ain't over (main premise of my argument since I began the whole thing with the word if, remember? ) We have to wait and see how it ends and deliberate. So... The only difference I can see between you and me is PATIENCE That's all.

Rays lost, for once and for all capitalize this opportunity for God's Sake.

Good point, and another good way to see the issue.

Nobody said it was easy; nevertheless, this is still his job and is very well paid in order to deliver RESULTS, just as any other job according with the resources available (plenty here) and expectations associated with the money deployed. Sorry E1, but I don't buy the 3rd-best-W-record thing as an argument since still the SECOND biggest payroll in the AL and as you said, they still have the 3rd in all BB. Make a good paper in the POs is at least their MAIN goal as long as they spend those tons of money. No excuses my friend, no excuses. BTW, this???... doesn't make your argument stronger but the opposite. 2011-- 3rd highest payroll 2010-- 2nd highest payroll 2009-- 4th highest payroll 2008-- 4th highest payroll

The name of the game is RESULTS, always. If he does right, he will be praised, otherwise lynched. Public characters are always in public scrutiny.

Cashman eating Theo's lunch...

Listen Gentlemen. Let's close the remain 6 games with victories. If we achieve that (complicated but I still got slightly faith) this team could come back form hell as the Phoenix bird and win it all. LETS GO RED SOX!