SoxFanForsyth

Guys obviously my rotation isn't an ideal rotation, but you have to be realistic about things. 1. When (it's not even an if) we trade Beckett, we are going to get a B level prospect and eat money. That's just the way it is. We're trading him off a putrid season filled with DL stints. We aren't going to get a MLB caliber player, much less someone who can help this team in 2013. 2. Everyone wants to go out and get "an ace". Great. That's like in college when I wanted to go out and pick up some chicks. Like I could just go to the store and grab a couple and bring them home. It doesn't work that way. What pitcher is available that will come in and lead this staff? Because right now, I don't see it. And on top of that, even if someone like Felix DID become available via trade, I'm not too amped up about giving up a 19 year old phenom who is in AA ball already and hit a bomb in his 1st game. Nor am I wanting to give up Ellsbury's replacement in Bradley, and we all know that we have zero SP depth in the minors, so I'm certainly not going to deal Barnes or Owens. 3. People who want to trade Pedroia and Ellsbury. Why?? It makes no sense. It really doesn't. You're selling extremely low on both guys. Pedroia is having a career worst season. He took up for his teammate, realized he said something he shouldn't have, and then later apologized for it, saying he shouldn't have said that. Don't believe me? Here's his quotes. (Link here) And I'll tell you something else. After last season, I thought that Ellsbury was going to be a 150mm player. But now, I'm not so sure. I see absolutely no reason as to why we wouldn't let him live out his contract and then try to talk to him. He had 1 good season, sandwiched between two putrid, injury ridden seasons. You want to trade him? Great, you're not going to get much out of him because any bidder is going to constantly bring up his injuries and that his 2011 season was just a redux of Joe Mauer's 2009 year. You're simply not going to get an equal return for Ellsbury. And going back to trading Pedroia and putting Ciriaco at 2nd, come on guys. That's absolutely ridiculous. This is exactly what everyone was screaming when Nava was on a heater and was hitting well because of a .400 BABIP fueled hot streak. Ciriaco's BABIP right now is .406!!! That's ridiculous. And he's only hitting .341! With that high of a BABIP, he should be in the .360's or .380's. His BABIP will regress. They always do. On top of that, he's got a 17.1% K% and a 1.1% BB%. You want this offense to hit consistently? This is the exact opposite of what you need. You need guys who grind out at bats and get on base at a high clip because they have the ability to work walks. Not guys who strike out 17X more than they walk.

This team is just the most depressing thing in my life.

I had a dream last night that we won a series. There were unicorns there too.

Oh good, Aviles is up.

I'm sure Bogar would take the job. And he seems like the kind of guy who is a bit more of a John Farrell type who won't take much s*** from his players. I don't know why I feel that way, he just kind of carries himself that way IMO.

Well, I personally think so (Ablers is historically awful in the 2nd half, 6.08 career ERA in 2nd half vs 3.81 in 1st half). But regardless of that, Morales is better than Cook, and the Sox wanted 2 LHP. I still like the move.

Can't trade Lackey fresh off TJS. And besides, he's still got value in chewing up innings in the 5th slot to a 4.50 ERA. Rookie catcher who posted a career .382 OBP in AAA to replace Salty, who has posted a .288 OBP with Boston. Oh, and spare me on the whole "he isn't hitting well". He's had 13 AB. Please. SS who would have saved at least 2 runs so far this game alone. Sorry, but Aviles's .254/.281/.397 line isn't exactly inspiring. If we're going with a s***** shortstop, at least give me the one with a golden glove. I would argue that it's a big improvement over the 2012 Sox.

Aviles. Just pathetic.

That's the guy we traded Youk for.

Flip him and Gonzo, I don't care. I just think Gonzo will hit for more power next year.

Why the f*** do you let Salty hit here?!?!? WHY f***ING VALENTINE WHY?!?!?!

I wish they'd put in a LHP so that Salty wouldn't hit.

No Beckett. No Salty. No Aviles. Not really the same at all, actually. And besides, we'll have an offseason thread for "Go trade for _____, go sign _____". This is more of a basic starting point.

What do you want the 2013 Red Sox to look like? This isn't an offseason thread per se, since we don't know who is going to be available, but more of a discussion about what you want the '13 lineup, rotation, and bullpen to look like. Here's my ideal lineup and rotation: 1. Ellsbury, CF 2. Crawford, LF 3. Pedroia, 2B 4. Gonzalez, 1B 5. Ortiz, DH (Yup, I resign him, and the Sox will too) 6. Middlebrooks, 3B 7. Lavarnway, C 8. Kalish/Ross, RF 9. Iglesias, SS Rotation: 1. Lester 2. Buchholz 3. Doubront 4. Morales 5. Lackey Bullpen: LHP Miller LHP Breslow RHP Aceves RHP Bard RHP Bailey RHP Tazawa RHP Wilson

I've never wanted to punch a group of 25-30 grown men in the face as much as I want to this group of players. Say what you want about whether or not the sellout streak is legit (hint: it's not), but even so, Fenway is packed to the brim almost every single night. From a rainy, 42 degree night in early April to a humid, 97 degree day game in August, the fans absolutely go nuts for this team. The fans deserve better than this complete f***ing hack of a ******** team. And it's not just this year. It's the past 3 years. And it likely won't be changed next year, either. The problems on this team are locked up.

This team never ceases to amaze me.

How the f*** do you call that 1st pitch to Crawford a strike?!?

When Ortiz returns Ciriaco should be the everyday SS.

Whewww. I don't know. I think that may have gone right over the front corner of the bag.

Holy s***. Ubaldo has a 30+ minute wait and Salty can't even watch 1 strike. That's ridiculous.