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WIN. Beat those flappy winged Rays back into the sand where they belong. Hubby's home and in the mood to watch so going to watch w/him...since no offense, he's better company to me than forums or twitter or... Have fun y'all.

If there are tables of stats of a large sample size of pitchers who have, say, pitched 3+ years for one league then 3+ years for another, and the tables show a significant change in the pitchers stats (including their W/L) then I'll reconsider. By significant I mean very much so...not just a few tenths. Minor differences can easily be attributed to things like home ballpark, team psychology factors, aging, and so on. Edit: I'd assume such tables are probably rare/hard to produce since most teams lose patience within a year or less and trade the pitcher away.

Argh if only trying to comprehend stats/tech/math analysis didn't give me migraines. I have no serious arguments w/what most of you are saying re: other stuff besides W/L meaning more re: pitchers skill, since I wouldn't disagree. I think the issue is that you're misunderstanding a little what I was originally trying to say. Example: "Smoltz sucks, he can't get wins!" Smoltz goes back the NL, has a great start or two. "Penny sucks, he can't get wins!" ...let's assume he also does better his first few starts in the NL, maybe with a couple nice low-score wins. Average yoo-hoo responses are like this: "It's because he's in the pansy NL/couldn't hack it in AL, hahaha!" ...my point is that I disagree with that attitude. It's not about whether the NL or AL does better in interleague teamplay because of rule differences that lead to different gameplay strategies (say, more smallball vs huge sluggers). It's that a pitcher's overall record/ability ought to remain relatively equal no matter which league they're in. Maybe slightly better stats or W/L ratio in the AL, but a pitcher who does terrible for an AL team for 3 months...I don't believe that's just because "NL is easier."

No, I understand that point of view. You're missing my point of view that EVERY team usually has at least one or two people who hit for s***...the NL just replaces one of theirs with the pitcher instead of, say, the catcher (current Tek, haha) or a SS or an OF. There have been pitchers who can hit/bunt at least as well as (current) Tek in terms of getting on base perhaps, tho I know that's probably pretty rare, and it's sure not Penny, haha. Also, in terms of a pitcher's win/loss record, even if there is a small advantage because a batting pitcher=less runs scored, the other team they're playing will have the same advantage, right, so it could balance out and thus the pitcher's W/L record would not improve substantially. Lastly, in the NL, since they have to bat, pitchers are more exposed, maybe, to injuries and fatigue. Still feels to me that in terms of a pitchers W/L record that in the long run it would all kinda balance out.

I just don't see how overall, that alters the pitcher's ability to gain W's all that much. It's just 1 batter. Most teams often seem to have an 'automatic out' or two - or at least a poor batter - in their lineup somewhere, despite all the constant trading.

I selfishly don't like off days. No game to watch. They deserve days off tho, of course. More than a day, really, imo. Hubby said "I never realized they play nearly every frakking day, it's crazy." Yup.

Friend said the amount Giants have to pay is about 100 grand ... is that right? Is that all he had left on his 5million contract? If so, I guess he was really cheap, so even if it doesn't turn out that well, at least it was...well, cheap. Also, I don't get why the NL should be better for pitchers...besides the fact starters have to bat, there's no logical difference. Just luck of streak timing and/or team & stadium dynamics that can seem to change things, me thinks. That and whatever different training/confidence the player does, of course.

Oops, didn't see this before posting in the Penny Released thread. I'd say it wasn't a very good decision, but am trying to remind myself that sometimes seemingly stupid decisions actually work out.

Penny's going to the SF Giants. My first reaction: NOOOOOOOOOO!!! My 2nd reaction: Maybe he'll love our Bay Area and start winning games. And he's probably better than J. Martinez. Sigh.

Awesomesauce. Now I can go to the geek store happy.

Come on Twins...w/Tampa games coming up, we could sure use your help. Gogo.

Oops, Min.

I like the score...oh wait...I like the WIN! Nice, drama free game for the team.

That'll do, Wagner, that'll do.

:lol::lol: My theory was that Drew and Gonzo have an expensive bet about who can get the most hits the rest of the season, but I like yours better.

I like this score. Wait, I already said that a couple times. I really like this score.

Wagner....could be interesting.

He gets a good hit in now and then, and I love it when he does, but usually, lately, yeah.

Tek, I loves ya man, but you're kind of a hole in the lineup.

Yeah, I can imagine that...3's a crowd. I just occasionally miss Eck's silly humor I guess.

Love Remy in the booth, but I'm missing Eck. They should let all three be in there...

The bobblehead should be blowing a bubblegum bubble

Tek waltzed back to the dugout after being out at 1st like he's very familiar with the move. But I still respect him. And I'm still liking the score.

Phew.

Nice early score & Byrd seems to be doing well.