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Haha suddenly those top catchers aren't as big of reaches now are they?

Keeper is up now I think.

Yankees228 is now up.

You're up Jbay.

No problem. JE has the pick in front of you, and he's online.

I'm going to go with Russell Martin C 5.05 million and Alfredo Aceves RP 435k JE has the next pick.

No problem. You have one pick due to your trade with JE, so JE will make his pick after I make mine.

Cmon Flynnatic, you only have 1 pick to make.

Point taken, anyway Flynnatic is up and he doesn't appear to be online at the moment. He has 1 pick, then after I make 2 picks, the next pick goes to JE to balance out the earlier trade.

There isn't an LF section on the chart, there's just 3 OF sections and 4 Bench sections. You can choose to put players whereever you want on your clubhouse post.

JBay wants Jason Motte RP Flynnatic is up.

Yankees228 is up but he said he was going to be out to dinner, however that he shouldn't be too long. He hadn't made up his mind on a pick yet so he didn't send me one, but he did say that he'd be back in the near future. I also have Jbay's pick so we could get to Flynnatic's pick when Y228 returns.

Haha wow, you weren't online when I posted a few minutes ago and when I checked again you came online. Go figure.

Keeper is up, and I do not believe that he's online at the moment. I'm probably headed to dinner soon as well, but I'll be quick.

While I agree that he is overrated and that his numbers are helped by his ballpark, I highly doubt that he is the biggest example of someone who is a mediocre pitcher that looks good because of their ballpark. One could list a lot of west coast starters (SD, SF, Oak, Sea) that would fit that list, and most of them don't have the stuff that Cain has.

It's JE's turn at the moment and he does not appear to be online.

I saw his Breslow pick a few hours ago. While it was certainly a very good pick. I was happy that it wasn't who I planned on taking, and coming from WB, that's a moral victory.

One could argue that I was a bit biased because my original strategy from day 1 was to save a lot of money with the best available cheap players and then use one of my last picks on Sabathia because I didn't think that anyone would have spent that much money on a SP that early. Oh how plans change throughout the redraft. Besides, I'm sure that one could come up with at least another 10 "reaches" and this was just my opinion. It's not like there's a rule whereby all of the picks that I thought were reaches had to count against the teams that drafted them. I'm sure that plenty of people would argue that some of my picks belonged there too.

No problem, go for it dude.

A700 is up next I believe.

You're up Forsyth.

The problem with calling someone's pick a "reach" is that a lot of people get defensive and think that I insulted them, in which I did not. In a lot of cases, people have to reach in order to make sure that they get a particular player. For example, WhiskeyBreath wouldn't take nearly as many people's picks if the people reached and picked them up a bit earlier. All that matters is the end product. What I meant about you being a Yankee fan is that I doubt that most of these Red Sox fans would have seen Sabathia in the same light as you do, in terms of being worth the money. In addition, I believe that there is a difference between spending 23 million on a middle of the order bat at a tough position to fill (someone like Tulowitzki or Hamilton if they cost that much money) and spending 23 million on a starting pitcher, since there should be about 75 SP's drafted in all, plus however many SP's are put in the bullpen. So I felt that due to the really deep SP market, the salary crunch that Sabathia would put on a $110 million roster, and that only 1-2 other Yankee fans in the redraft would have considered getting Sabathia at that point, that it was a reach. In addition, one of the Yankee fans wasn't in the position to spend that much money considering some of the other high priced players he had. I do appreciate your docile response, since a pick being labeled a "reach" isn't an insult. I'd rather have my entire roster be "reaches" than to miss out on everyone that I wanted because I thought they'd be a reach at the time of the draft. In addition, just because I didn't include any of my picks in the list, doesn't mean that none of my picks belong as "steals" or "reaches". I'm clearly guilty of reaching as well. I just didn't put any of my picks because I knew the logic behind why I drafted them which would obscure my listings, not to mention I'd look like an a****** if I listed any of my picks as "steals"

Anyway since Dipre is taking a while, I'm going to get started on my steals list. Steals: Justin Upton OF: This is in my opinion, the steal of the draft. Granted, the OF market is very deep, and I don't think he's worthy of a first round pick, but Upton was picked towards the end of the 5th round. He's a corner OF that can pretty much do it all and costs next to nothing. Kendry Morales 1B: While choosing a 1B as a steal doesn't sound like my ideals, Kendry Morales was taken in the 6th round and was the 12th 1B taken, even after Daric Barton. He's a switch hitting power 1B and costs very little. I'd have taken him before at least half of the 1B that were previously taken. Max Scherzer SP: This might be the toughest "steal" to defend, and to be honest I had trouble finding 10 steals, but I believe in this pitcher. He has better raw stuff than a lot of starters, and was taken in the 7th round, and I think was the 38th SP taken. Nick Swisher OF: Nick Swisher was taken in the 9th round and is a very good hitter. He didn't cost that much (especially considering that he's a Yankee) and has continued to live up to his potential in Coors East. Not surprisingly he went to a Yankee fan. Josh Johnson SP: He was a 2nd round pick, but he was the 7th pitcher taken overall. He was cheap at around 3.75 million, and I would have taken him over most of the 6 pitchers taken before him, perhaps even over the one that I took in David Price. He has great stuff and a big a** frame and shouldn't wear down any time soon. Matt Cain SP: I'll admit that I am a little biased towards Scherzer and Cain since they were both on my fantasy team, but Matt Cain costs about 4 million and was taken towards the end of the 3rd round, as the 17th pitcher taken overall. I really wanted him and would have made him my pick instead of Tommy Hanson if he reached it to me. Andrew Mccutchen OF: I really like this pick because he is a CF that can do it all. He has star potential and is very cheap, and for a 5th round pick, one could do a lot worse. Carlos Santana C: He was taken near the end of the 5th round, and showed great potential before getting injured. He's cheap and should easily rebound. He was the 5th catcher taken overall. David Wright 3B: Wright did cost a fair amount and was taken in the 3rd round, but there's no question that he is a top of the line 3B. His numbers are hurt by the Mets ballpark and the fact that the Mets suck so he has to carry the entire team, but he is a top pick to build your franchise around. Hanley Ramirez SS: Attitude problems aside, Hanley is a star player and usually the 2nd player taken in fantasy drafts. The SS market is incredibly thin, so that should have propelled Hanley Ramirez up the pick ladder, but he was taken with the 13th pick in the draft.

I'm in the process of typing it. I have 2 TS pages up so I can keep an eye on incoming picks and that I can type my steals list. Keep in mind that it's just my opinion.