mvp 78
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Everything posted by mvp 78
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Pretty much. I'm not really convinced JD will get more $$$ just by waiting. There's a better chance that teams just move on and fill their roster without him.
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Yup, even if you have mathematical theory behind your belief, it's still a big unknown.
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There's is no indication that any other club has a better offer on the table than the Sox. If there was, we'd all be hearing about it.
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Platoon DH? Pass. Devers >>> Moose
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LoMo probably has more upside than Lucroy. Lucroy's bat took a step back this year and was more valuable since he played at a low offensive output position.
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He's eyeing to be ready, but he won't be. Players aren't the best barometer for their own timetable (i.e. remember Price's magically healing arm).
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I want JD, but if he's going to wait until ST, it's not in DD's best interest to hold off roster construction until March. There are other power bats out there. DD should start kicking the tires and send out smoke signals. Maybe it'd get JD to just sign the damn contract.
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Moose is cheaper, but you get what you pay for.
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But Heyward was a guy with a 20 OWAR season? He was no slouch. He didn't go into FA with a noodle bat.
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I would agree. Sometimes, I think he does his clients a disservice.
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Heyman is a Boras shill.
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Arrieta, Cobb and Darvish would all cost a lot of money and have a few drawbacks. What about a cheaper option like Chris Tillman? He's only 29 and maybe he'd be cheaper after his injury plagued down year last year? He's also only looking for a one year deal. Lance Lynn? Lackey?
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You asked me for some data, I gave you some. Why are you cherry pickin Encarnacion tho? 20M AAV last offseason doesn't seem like a low number for a guy in his mid 30's. If he was 30 last offseason (JD's current age), he would have most likely gotten a 5 - 7 year deal at more money.
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Heyman is never a reliable source as he is just a straight up shill for Boras.
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Chris Davis: 7/161 (15.1 WAR before new deal 11-15) Brandon Belt: 5/72 (11.6 WAR before new deal 11-15 and 2 years younger) Since then, Davis has had 3 WAR and Belt has had 6.6 WAR. The O's were paying a premium for Davis' long ball.
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OWAR Heyward 2010: 27 2011: 0 2012: 25.7 2013: 9.3 2014: 10.3 2015: 22 signs contract and loses his swing 2016: -19.2 2017: -8.4 JBJ 2013: -4.2 2014: -24.4 2015: 6.6 (the year he had the monster 2nd half and hit like Hank Aaron) 2016: 20.0 (I think most of us thought JBJ had a great offensive season this year) 2017: -1.8 Heyward 2013: 14/67/.427 2014: 11/74/.384 2015: 13/79/.439 Prior to his new contract, Heyward was a guy that was a 10 - 20 OWAR player year in and year out. He strugged in 2011 when he was 22. JBJ was still in AA when he was 22. JBJ didn't have a positive OWAR season until he was 25. By the time Heyward was 25, he was already averaging a 14.46 OWAR per season over the previous 5 years. If JBJ was 2016 JBJ year in and year out, yes he'd be known for his bat. For their careers, JBJ has a -3.9 OWAR and Heyward has a 66.7 OWAR. No, JBJ has not "done better than that." It's not even close.
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The expectation was that Jason Heyward would still be able to hit after signing his deal. He was a 22 OWAR guy when he played with the Cardinals. Heyward wasn't paid all that money for his glove. Ortiz was paid VERY well for the time he was here.
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I didn't underestimate anyone. At the time he was signed, Pedroia was comparable enough to Kinsler and got more money. It's not a below market value deal at the time it was signed. It also has nothing to do with Craig, Pablo or the overall value he has provided to the club since.
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Valuable to a player, not to the team. Player's with high offensive output typically get paid more.
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There is no way to know that. Maybe Pedey would prefer to be on the West Coast closer to his family?
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And all I’ve said is that when the ink dried on Pedey’s contract, it was not under market. Cano’s contract came later.
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FWAR isn’t the end all be all. Cano’s offense is more financially valuable than Pedroia’s much better defense.
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I was wrong about Cano’s age and edited my post to reflect that.
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He and Pedroia aren’t comparable. Also, mariners had to pay a premium to get Cano out of NYC.
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He’s the Kohl’s version of JD.
