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Duplicate post.

OK you hypocrits, this is what I said -- CONSISTENTLY -- about Anderson at the time we were talking about signing Teixeira. And the piece de resistence:

Umm no, you're revising history to fit your memory. When you do that I reserve the right to correct the record. My belief in Lowell being able to fill his role had at least as much to do with my reluctance to bid the farm on Teixeira. To the point atht I was accused at least twice in the various Teixeira threads of either being Lowell or Mrs. Lowell. I certainly never said that Lars would reproduce Teixeira's numbers if moved to the majors now, to the point that I went out of my way to avoid doing so. Feel free to keep trying to skewer me for taking a position I never took -- I guess everyone needs a hobby. That dog doesn't hunt though. There are 8 starting 1B (based on games and plate appearances) around the league with .780 or lower OPS. A .750 OPS is bottom third in the league among 1B, it doesn't really "blow." I was tyrying to avoid exactly this conversation at the time. The whole argument is moot anyway -- if Lars is our starting 1B for any length of time in 2009 it's because the Sox have punted the season. Lessee if I follow the chronology of this fiasco. a700 posts in here a post that might, if twisted in just the wrong way, be perceived as vaguely critical of Lars Anderson. He says that a 21 year old kid with 150 at bats in Portland looke3d overmatched against big league pitchers. A horrible shock, that, I mean seriously, the guy wasn't born swinging a bat at the major league level... geeze, what's the point then? Following the predictable dogpile on a700 I point out that Lars Anderson is in fact still quite young and really could use some polish, much like a700 said, and the front office's approach in dealing with Anderson reflects exactly that reality. There is nothing in this statement that is inaccurate, or even particularly critical of Anderson. My only crime is agreeing with a700, for which I get the book thrown at me. Apparently I didn't get the memo when someone nominated St. Lars of Anderson for deification because apparently noting the facts about a prospect that I'm pretty high on myself makes me a rank blasphemer in some parts. Oh, and the funny part? I'm probably Lars' biggest fan on the board, and have taken some heat for exactly that, as has been noted by my persecutors in this thread. You'd think that they'd bear that in mind when reading what I say about a guy. I guess critical thinking is a bit too much to ask given the people in question.

If you want to think so. I do think he could put up a .750 OPS or so right now. A bit of a stretch from that to me claiming he's a superstar though. At least 10 teams around the big leagues would probably have Anderson in the bigs as a full-time starter by the end of this year.

So what you're saying is that you want to call me on something you can't prove I said. That's fine, but why then are you still talking?

All the standard excuses apply after losing the first post-deadline game. THey're just getting their chemistry after the trade deadline, etc.

He started it. I mean... yeah... Anderson...

They do the same thing if you tout underrated guys they don't like. It's just a good ole boys thing I guess. Guess how I found that out.

Lucic-Savard-Kessel -- top line but I worry sometimes about this line's defensive ability Wheeler-Krejci-Ryder -- solid #2 line Recchi-Bergeron-Kobasew -- puck possession line with good scoring ability and some physicaility/checking prowess Bitz-Yelle-Thornton -- heck of a well balanced 4th line with a defensively responsible centerman, good scrapping RW and a LW who creates scoring chances by going to the net with authority. Perhaps our best-balanced line. Chara-Ferrence Wideman-Montador Stuart-Ward Trying to pair a more physical/offensive player with a responsible stay at home type Thomas Fernandez Scratches: Axelsson -- still worth something but hard to see what he brings to the 4th line (duplicates Yelle's strengths too much) and The BYT line creates enough offensive pressure and cycles well enough that it dilutes Axelsson's defensive advantage, especially replacing Bitz who makes that line work offensively by being a good cycling presence along the boards and going to the net well. Sobotka -- probably deserves more of a chance than he's getting thanks to the emergence of Bitz and Boston's overall depth -- he gets the call especially if Bergeron goes down.

Maine's come a long way. There's actually cable internet there now -- in rural Washington County no less where there's only 3 cities in the whole county with actual street lights. That doesn't mean you can get a job as an English Major in Maine though. Don't I know only too well. In Maine you know there's a depression only because your out of state friends are complaining about unemployment too.

Nah -- I'm just your garden variety English major. Thought you guys knew that.

Wow, Diony the voice of reason? I *must* be going insane.

I'd like to see you quote me on that. Even in your paraphrase above, the key word is "probably." And it's not like it's likely to get proven either way. How well do you have to hit to "handle" big league pitching anyway? I certainly didn't specify, so any definition you choose to provide now will be at least a little specious That's a pretty ambiguous standard for this amount of high dudgeon from you.

h at the plate. Not a lot of present power but does have decent power potential. Above average speed. In the field, he has excellent range, a slightly above aveage arm, and average accuracy, but needs to work on his decision making. Tough competitor with a mature demeanor. Kalish tends to be a very popular player with fans. Could project as a center fielder or a right fielder -- it all depends on how much he fills out. Missed part of 2007 season with a wrist injury, which seemingly lingered throughout the 2008 season. Don't see much bias there. The numbers and performances Kalish has given us since his return from the DL match the hype for the most part -- good plate approach, decent range and fielding, not sold on his arm, decision making, or power. The only thing to sort of fret about is how quick they are to blame his lack of 2008 power on a wrist injury rather than on him never having that much power to begin with. Redditk: Again, I see no particular bias. Reddick makes good contact and is a power hitter, and is an excellent toolsy defender, but he has Francoeur like plate discipline and the fact that it hasn't improved much over his tenure in as OBP-friendly a system as ours suggests he might have coachability issues that could trip him up if he doesn't correct them. So where's the unreasonable bias here?

You see worse biases than Soxprospects.com's every day just reading the newspaper. Just take their reports with the requisite grain of salt remembering that the site is written by people who like to follow propspects. They get their basic facts right and their projections are usually conservative, if anything (remember, SP.com talks about ceilings, not necessarily projections)

No, I said he could probably have a decent year now. There is a not particularly subtle difference there. You put him up here now he'd probably have a year like Billy Butler's 2008. Adequate, but not exactly elite and with no shortage of things to criticize. Anderson was more my counter to the whole "we need Teixeira for the future" argument. Anderson is our future at first base, at least for right now.

What exactly that I have said challenges or contradicts that earlier statement? I said that coming down hard on a guy who said that Lars isn't ready just yet was a little silly because he probably isn't -- which is true since the guy has only had about a hundred bats above the AA level. He might be advanced enough to get away with it, but if you threw him into the majors now it'd be a rush job, no doubt about it. Which is humorous because at this point you're not contradicting what a700 said at all, just what you're reading into what he said. You've set up a nice little strawman to beat down so have fun I guess.

Hey, if they didn't care about prospects they wouldn't cover them. If they get the facts right I don't care about their biases. And if anything they're a bit cautious about most of our guys -- sure you'll find guys in the forum who are devoted to this or that prospect beyond reason but as a whole and especially in the reports themselves they tend to be doubting Thomases more than true believers. They were sold on neither Pedroia, Lowrie nor Youkilis and there were some sharp arguments about even Lester and Ellsbury.

C'mon guys, people should know where Soxprospects.com is by now. Read, DipreG. It's good for you. http://www.soxprospects.com/players/tazawa-junichi.htm

I'll cop to that if you own up to your trollbaiting in this thread.

I dunno, I think he has a point -- a few of us are a bit too eager to defend Anderson in this thread. What started this was a personal opinion based on a snapshot of at bats seen by one poster. Not a scouting report, not really presented as if it should be taken as one. Basically it's just 700's opinion, one backed by his impressions upon seeing Anderson, and not an unreasonable one IMHO considering where the kid is in his career. The actual quote made no attempt whatsoever to project into Anderson's future so take a step backward and recognize that all we're getting is an opinion of where the kid is at, right now -- and considering that he is not pencilled onto the 25 man roster in any way, shape or form, it's an opinion that might not be limited to a700hitter. In context, it makes sense that a 21 year old kid who has barely poked his head above A ball would be a bit overmatched against big league arms and would still have some learning to do about the finer points of his position defensively. You can say all that and make no comment at all about where he'll be 5 years from now. So I recommend that those who are being overdefensive of Anderson, and yet decry those who call them on it by telling them to get off the pulpit, have a soap box to descend themselves.

If we could move Bergeron and Axelsson, bring in a LW, and promote Sobotka to play third line centerman, I think that's the best we're going to be able to do. I don't want to bring in a #3 Dman with a large contract because I think that's bad long-term planning. If you're going to pay a lot, pay a lot for the best -- don't be Peter Angelos.

Yeah and Joel Pineiro's fine spring really set him up to dominate the American League East didn't it?

I don't see the Bruins improving their defense this before the offseason. I'm not saying that Chara and Wideman will take us all the way, but I doubt what we get via trade will be a worthwhile improvement over Hnidy, Ward, Ferrence, Stuart and Hunwick. I think any move that's made will be on the forward end -- with Cole being the closest to a "no-brainer" this market offers.

If you clear Bergeron's deal, Pronter makes sense and sets the B's up well for the future. Something tells me though that Bergeron is damaged goods and you'd have to see a couple Bruins prospects going the other way on that deal.