Jacoby_Ellsbury

The player has no control over whether runners are on base ahead of him, so crediting if those runs score (and blaming him if they don't) is total ********. Nobody ever said a walk is as good as a run. Walks seperate on-base percentage from batting average. Team on-base percentage correlates pretty closely with total runs scored. I strive for accuracy. Just like you FAIL with this ridiculous argument.

Nobody cares. Clutch doesn't exist. Stop trying to quantify it. Yeah, he's the anti-RBI man and the 'lineup scores 1000+ runs if I take every at-bat' man. The latter is all that counts here, chief.

RBI >>>> runs, slugger.

Fail. Seriously, how's about addressing the shitload of evidence in this thread against this asinine theory of yours? As opposed to just clinging to it and covering your ears whenever someone makes a logical point or twenty against it?

Getting on base doesn't matter as long you can get those ribeez, lad. Baseball 101

Magic.

This is basebawl! What the hell would a scholaship from Hayverd do for you here?! This a game for men, not little poindexter nerd boys who think they have somethin to say about buildin a ball klub!

Care to respond my other post, by the way?

Very true. That's why he signed J.D. Drew. wut I don't even know what macro to use for this post.

Theo's an uneducated excel addict who wants to blow Bill James. He's worthless.

Oh good one, how about the fact that RBI when it comes to individual player analysis is as unreliable as it gets? Just because RBI's are issued to a player via an idiotic scoring system doesn't mean they're deserving of them. Players are unduly credited for this, when they have zero control over it. Every last RBI situation is sheer luck. To the RBI geeks, the following must all be true: -Player X did a lesser job if he gets a bases-empty base hit, than if he got a base hit with a runner in scoring position. Player X is at fault for runners not being on base. -Player X did a lesser job if he hits a solo home run as opposed to a three run home run. Player X is at fault for runners not being on base. -If Kevin Youkilis hits a left-center double at Fenway, and Dustin Pedroia was on first and went to third, Youkilis somehow did a lesser job than if Ellsbury was on first, and scored on said double. Youkilis should have used his magic powers to warp Ellsbury to first in Pedroia's place. -Player X succeeded if he hits a grounder to second with a fast runner on third. Even though he made an out, he still succeeded. You believe in RBI as a legitamite way to analyze a player, you think the above actually holds any water and makes sense in this dimension. Which is hilarious. And the 99.999% has gone down quite a bit since 1970 or so. Baseball fans actually think for themselves now as opposed to listening to dullf***s like John Kruk and Fernando Vina. As for the second half of that Einsteinean equation, how can not making outs ever, ever be a bad thing? Are you seriously going to tell me that a walk is a lesser, inferior accomplishment than a grounder to second that happened to plate a runner from third?

Oh do explain.

Good. He's never going to get the experience you so desire out of him if you never give him the opportunity. This could either be an elimination game or the chance to clinch a series. Buchholz has already overcome adversity in figuring it out after last season's antics. I'm fine with him.

What/who the f***?

RBI doesn't matter.

Who cares? 2 stinkers after 6 straight good outings, and 9 out of 10 good outings. The 2 stinkers being in meaningless games. O noez.

What in f***'s name...? NL WEST, PETCO PARK??? He got worse upon moving to the NL CENTRAL. I think we unloaded him at the right time.

Exactly why it was an awful move. A player who wasn't even starting at the end of the previous season, and who's never been respectable, getting a 4/$36mil contract? At the expense of that first round pick? That is f***ing awful. BUT, it was only one move stacked up against some very good ones for Theo.

Mirabelli for Loretta? O yea that was a s***** trade, Loretta was such an awful player. Oh you mean Josh Bard for Mirabelli? The failure of a knuckleball catcher for the established one? I lol at the thought of Arroyo pitching in the AL east right now. This was the right move to make. Gagne simply didn't pan out. If I have the option to make a similar move in the future, I do it every time. Smoltz - ok Penny - Was signed to be a low-cost innings eater, that's what he proved to be Lugo - ok failure to sign Tex - You are, like everyone who looks at this way, f***ing delusional failure to resign Bay - Lolwut? Ever think they're looking at Holliday as his replacement? Holliday > Bay. Sure its risky, but you can't steal second with one foot on first. overpaying for Drew - With his production these days, we didn't overpay. Especially with MLB's recent contract inflation. Overpaid in 2007 =/= overpaid at the end of his contract. Carlos Pena - Was a journeyman first baseman who never panned out anywhere he went. You mean you would have looked at this chump as a buried treasure and pulled out all the stops to re-sign him? Where the f*** would we have even put him? Youkilis and Lowell ringing any bells for you? lol

Packers.

I'd imagine he ends up back in Oakland with Billy. San Diego might also be a possibility, since an ex-apprentice of Beane's (Paul Depodesta) has a front office job there, so there might be a small Moneyball reunion. Who knows. Good post, basically what I was going to say. In Oakland, he was in a system that preached (or was forced to) spend as little as possible for underrated players. Once the owners in Toronto gave him money to work with, he went hog wild and spent it wrong.

Of course they do. But by the time the Yankees would have drawn the line on Teixeira, he would have been a burden to the Sox no matter what his on-field production was, since he'd be eating up a massive, disgusting portion of our payroll. This is also a slightly different scenario, since Carlos Beltran going to the Mets (or Astros or wherever else he was rumored, don't remember Boston being in the running) only . Teixeira going to the Yankees' biggest competition would hurt them more, and they'd be more inclined to stretch their limits.