jacksonianmarch

8.25 with escalators that he'll likely reach, so i rounded up

Couple of interesting stats Manny Ramirez OPS in clutch situations over last 3 yrs then this yr Close and Late- .823 over last 3 yrs and .917 this yr RISP- 1.057 over last 3 yrs and .968 this yr RISP with 2 outs- 1.080 over last 3 yrs and .859 this yr Jason Bay Close and Late .706 over last 3 yrs and 1.054 this yr RISP .902 over last 3 yrs and .644 this yr RISP with 2 outs .872 over last 3 yrs and .749 this yr

This is a lateral move for this yr. Without the pen help, you guys are sunk. Aardsma isnt the answer in high leverage games and Masterson needs to be considered a RH specialist for the time being in high leverage spots. This trade, while helpful for the sox fiscally and in terms of the headache factor, does not address their primary need.

Well, this is the price of an extra yr. Bay is a 29 yr old OFer capable of playing both corner OF spots and CF in a pinch. He has high OBP numbers as well as good power. He should experience a nice boost from playing in the Fens. Bay is due 9 mil or so next yr and then will be a FA. But wow, the sox are giving up a lot. Once again, entire picture. And the entire picture starts with Manny. Manny has a 30 point OPS lead on Bay this season and both play in pretty favorable parks for righties. Manny has also proven to be a damn good hitter for the sox and a clutch one at that. He also proved to be a headache. Lets call the Manny for Bay move a wash for this yr. For next yr, one should assume that Manny and Bay would likely be heading into opposite directions, but not by much. To be honest with you, in a perfect world without antics and only looking at performance, Manny and Bay are likely to perform equally until the end of 2009 which is when Bay's contract is up and they could have gotten him as a FA. The money standpoint is an issue as well. Bay is due 2 mil this yr and 9 next, so the total price is 11 mil just on Bay. Throw in the 7 mil the sox are paying for Manny and you have an 18 mil price to be paid for your left fielder. If Manny's option was picked up, he'd be owed 27 mil, so a savings of 9 mil. For that savings of 9 mil and likely equal performance, the sox had to give up their 2005 #1 draft pick as well as one of their top outfield prospects (who has been killing the ball in AAA this yr). The draft pick haul from letting Manny walk is the same as it would be for letting Bay walk as well, so that is a wash. So, this deal breaks down as such. If Bay can continue to play like this in the spotlight of Boston, then the sox essentially are getting the same production through 2009 with less headaches. They essentially trades Brandon Moss and Craig Hansen for 9 million dollars.

Sox pay off the remainder of the salary too, wow

Wow. ESPN and SI are now reporting it too. Sox deal Manny, Hansen and Moss and get only Bay in return

This is a poor trade for the sox

Hansen, Moss, LaRoche and AA pitcher from Dodgers to Pitt Dodgers Ramirez Sox Jason Bay

Depending on what else the sox gave up, this is a good deal for next yr. If they dont get a pen arm, though, this is a lateral move this yr

Nick Cafardo "Jason Bay is a Red Sock"

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/07/31/manny.sweepstakes/index.html?eref=T1

It is on NESN right now. Take a look

A deal has been made for Manny, Edes is reporting.

Yep. That ship has sailed. Whew. Now any deal the sox make will be a downgrade at least this yr

right, but with Manny making his comments and insinuating that he'd never play with the sox again, coupled with the fact that the Marlins are trying to bilk the sox out of more money and the Pirates are trying to get a ridiculous amount for Bay, and the sox are in trouble. The Dodgers now are the only team in this thing with 58 minutes to go.

I dont see how the dodgers even consider dealing Kemp

Rosenthal and Stark are now reporting that the 3 way deal is dead. Manny looks to be staying in Boston

Manny said he was not going to play in Boston anymore. They have to deal him

Manny cannot go back. He has f***ed the sox here.

Depends on the Manny deal IMO. If the sox deal away Manny and dont get Bay, you should keep Moss since he might even end up beating out Hermida in the long run. if the sox get Bay, then you should do it

Cusick adds depth. Has some pop, has a good eye and a good glove. Not a bad move. Not a top flight prospect, but no slouch either

So to recap. After I worked a depressing overnight shift, I get to see that nobody really knows what the f*** is going on. I have read that the sox are giving up Manny and a deal has been submitted for the commish to sign off on. SO all we really know is Manny is leaving and greater than 1 mil in cash is involved. But the rest? Who knows. I have heard Grabow and Bay to the Sox with Manny going to the Marlins and the sox giving up 2 top prospects. I have heard Manny and Lowrie leaving with Bay and Wilson coming to the sox. I have heard Manny to the Marlins for Hermida and two top prospects. Right now, the rumor mill is swirling.

Lots of moving parts but a foundation for a deal seems to be in place with Manny to the Marlins, Hermida to the Pirates and Bay to the Sox. Rumors have it that the sox may be in line to get Jack Wilson as well. If so, Lowrie is being discussed and another prospect as well, since Bay is cheaper, just as good and much younger than Manny