seabeachfred

I know you're a young lad but young or not wake the hell up. Xander cannot hit with RISP unless you think 140 is a good percentage. As for Bradley we have had three chances to see this guy with a bat in his hands----for a short time in 2013, in this year's ST and in the first four months of the regular season. He is a s***** hitter, cannot get around on a good fast ball, has no power to speak of, no speed to steal bases, no bunting ability to get a few of those kinds of hits. In other words, he's a total turd offensively. The facts speak for themselves and getting all hot and bothered over it isn't going to cut it. If Betts has a good series vs the Yankees I expect Farrell to get his head out of his ass and install Mookie as our regular CF. We need offense and speed. Mookie gives us that...Jackie doesn't.

Was I right about Drew's signing being a disaster? Was I right from the beginning that Xander was pathetic with RISP? Was I right that Bradley simply cannot hit ML pitching? Stop giving me this high horse s*** and listening in for a change. When I'm wrong, I admit, something some of your friends are loathe to do so they flee the board until the heats off. And when I'm right I expect you to simply admit it and go from there.

Thank you Ted. I might peek at the score on my phone......I can dream, can't I?

I like that lineup SFF, especially since Bradley is nowhere in it. Betts can give us the speed and hitting Jackie couldn't do to save his life. However, I think you dissed Holt. He needs to be in there somewhere even if he has to spell one of the o thers every day. He can do that since he can play most every position.

Every time one of you start mouthing that we are going to kill this team or that pitcher we wind up getting the s*** knocked out of us. Please, save it SFF and just keep your fingers crossed that we drive in some runs and Renaudo pitches a solid game. Since you said what you said I have to counter that with...."we are still in deep s*** tomorrow and we need some luck and a lot of pride to pull out a game for a change." There that's the anecdote to what you said and gives us a chance to pick up a win tomorrow.

You keep saying that endlessly about Runs Batted In. Apparently you have been comatose with all those LOBsters we've amassed this season. We lead the league in runners left on base and I would think you would realize that some of those driven in would give us a better record than 48-60. Keep in mind that without those RBI's that Ortiz has accumulated in 2004, 2007 and 2013, we'd be the Cubs of the American League and be in the 96 years and counting.

Boy, some of you are really seeing the glass as three-fourths full......I salute you for that. However, I see a team that is led by people who want to save money and win on the cheap and thinks the fans will keep pouring into Fenway Park and singing Sweet Caroline. I think it's going to take more than just blind hope for the Red Sox to dig out from this debris. Just about every baseball commentator on ESPN were in shock and also in agreement that they simply couldn't understand how Prune Face refused to give Lester a new contract. Those who think he will now return to the Red Sox are setting themselves in for a bitter disappointment. Of course, if you guys turn out to be right I will wipe the egg off of my face and be grateful that I was wrong on this.

We can only hope. Remember, Cherington likes him as much as Farrell loved Drew. Besides, could we keep Shane in one piece long enough to put him in CF?

Sorry Ted, we need TWO pitchers. What we have right now is garbage. You know Webster is a penguin in the garden, Workman a advertisement for failure, and Buchholz a total disaster. I don't know about Kelly except that he should be better than t hose three stooges I just mentioned. Maybe we can trade for Hamels. The Phillies are hurting worse than us and they did nothing today at all. Amaro is on very thin ice over there because he has done an even crappier job this year than Cherington has. Perhaps we can make a big trade for Cole Hamels, then sign a free agent if Lucchintsyino will get Prune Face to open his damn wallet and let the moths come out. Today was a total disaster in my opinion and the only real hope is that tomorrow Anthony Renaudo goes out and throws a gem against the Yanks and g ives us some hope for the future. Since it will be mine and Linda's 44th Wedding Anniversary I would really welcome a in tomorrow.

Well said C!!!!!!! I will laud those on the board who want to see the positives in what went down today but to me these trades aren't worth s***. We lost two solid pitchers and now our rotation is fit for the outhouse. Unless we get two top notch pitchers by next Spring you can kiss off 2015 and most likely 2016 as well. And woe to those fans who act like idiots and buy into what Prune Face Henry is trying to do. He should fool no one with any sense. We took a bad hit today.

The old man as you put it said at the very beginning that this signing was a disaster. We weren't doing well before we signed him, after we did things sprang out of control with Xander falling apart while Drew couldn't get a hit to save his sorry ass. Since you like this move it means you now know t hat signing was also a disaster, so why not now simply say you were WRONG and I was RIGHT. Because that is a fact. At least you had enough guts to come back on board and say you liked the move. Late, but welcome to the party. I wonder where your friend User Name is though. He disappeared when things got rough and his ideas turned to s***. Drew should n ever have been signed and if there is anyone here who still thinks that signing was a sound one.....well, there simply can't be.

The sooner Bradley goes the better. He has shown in his short stay in 2013, his disastrous Spring this past March and his first four months this season that he simply is not going to hit for us. A great defensive CF? yes, but he can't hit, he has no power, he strikes out way too much, he has never learned to bunt for base hits and sure as hell can't steal bases. He is an offensive bomb. Betts, OTOH, can do those things. We need to keep him and get him ready to take over CF.

Without two standout pitchers, not one but two, this team is headed for the outhouse again next season. To me this is all so simple. Luchintsyino, the real GM, does not want to pay the going rate for players. They want to win on the cheap and Prune Face is once again allowing Larry the Louse to meddle and screw up what was a team that had a great future.

I gave an "F" too. I don't like any of the trades we made today save for Drew who needed to go to open up SS for Bogaerts' return there, not that I now feel that Xander is going to do a great job. His pathetic weak hitting with RISP is an alarming red flag for us but that could be overcome with determination and experience, but we now do not have an ace on the pitching staff and three of our starters are total duds in my opinion. Workman is a reliever, not a starter, Webster can't put it all together and Buccholz is a total mess and totally ill-equipped to shoulder the role as ace of the staff. Unless we deal for two top notch pitchers over the winter or maybe in late August, we won't sniff a division title for at least five years. As for Lackey, he demanded a trade. I mentioned this last night. A friend of mine on another board has an in with someone in the Red Sox organization who told her exactly that. When I mentioned that last night two colleagues made a joke of it . I reminded them of it today and will keep doing so for awhile. I also know that Lackey will not pitch for $500K. If the Cardinals insist he does that he will ask for a trade and retire. John will not pitch for that amount of money next season. You and the Cardinals can take that one to the bank.

Sorry my friend but I gave you the source of someone in the Red Sox organization who was a friend of someone on another board. It was a credible source and I gave it to you. Lackey asked to be traded and he was. With Lester gone and Lackey only on the payroll for half a million next season there was no rhyme of reason to trade him since that was exactly what Larry Lucchintzyino's game plan was.....get the most for very little. Lackey was disgusted that the Sox refused to offer a better contract and also their determination to trade his pitching partner and friend Jon Lester. Lackey wants to win.....that is why he demanded a trade. You were one of the first ones to know about that.

You and I wish!!!!!!!!! First of all Victorino is a walking MASH patient and secondly Cherington loves Bradley as Farrell did Drew. Now if Vic could play CF we could get that friggin' Bradley out of the lineup. The guy is never going to be a Major League hitter. Didn't his weak short term 2013 stats, his miserable ST this year, and his current 224 average with no power, no speed, no bunting ability, no stolen base talent, tell a full story. Make this guy a 4th outfielder for defensive purposes and then this winter get his ass out of Boston. HE IS NEVER GOING TO HIT !!!!

Spud, as I recall you were guffawing last night when someone sent you a missive panning my story of Lackey asking for a trade. Remember Spud, when you or someone else does that to me and I turn out to be right I am very determined to rub it in their collective faces. For the record I WAS RIGHT...LACKEY ASKED FOR A TRADE..and he got it. I also don't think he will pitch for $500,000 next season---and remember, if you laugh at that I will be all over you verbally when it turns out to be true. The Cards either rework his contract or they will have to trade him to a team that will pay him more, or he will retire. And I would advise you about laughing at that.

d-money, 700 Hitter has been saying that for a long time and so have I. Now others have joined in. Bradley has a few games where he get everyone excited only to fall back into his s***** habits of miserable non-hitting. He is a fourth outfielder and nothing more but the front office, in one of their multitude of f***ups, is determined to see this through and will try to convince themselves that Jackie is a ML hitter. He is not. He is a s***** hitter who needs to be somewhere else next season.

On Bosox Board, the other Red Sox site I post on, there was a post from someone with a friend in the organization who spilled the beans when they should have kept their mouths shut and it seems to have gotten out. The report is Lackey is pissed at the thought that they are not going to rework his contract and doesn't want to pitch for $500.000 next season, and if furious that the team has decided to trade Lester and is not intent on winning anymore. Where there's smoke there's fire and if this is true the whole edifice is coming crashing down.

Correction NS---what you need to do is save the hammer until you run into Larry the Louse Luchintzyino and smash him in the face with it. Once again he interfered with baseball operations where he had no business being and once again Prune Face Henry allowed that to happen and for the third time in the last seven seasons the result has been a disaster. For that person who doesn't think these coming trades are in Cherington's command, you're probably right. I see Larry the Louse's miserable and palsied hands all over this debacle.

The Red Sox have to get rid of Jerkman. He is inept and hasn't been worth a damn since he got suspended. He has all the makings of a loser. If we have to count on him for the rotation we are in deeper s*** than the Red Star Fertilizing Company.

What the Red Sox need very badly is a shot in the arm.......take Lester off the trading block and sign him to a new and lucrative contract. That might energize the team, but we know that will never happen because the guys are jumping ship and the rats are being left on board.....like Larry the Louse Luchintzyino who doesn't need a shot in the arm but a two by four to what passes for his brain. Now the news is that John Lackey has had enough and wants to be traded. Great work Cherington!!!!!! And there were those here who said all is fine and just have faith in the FO because they knew what they were doing. Haven't seen too many of that ilk around here lately, and for the record, the FO didn't know what it was doing. It was a total clusterf*** from the moment after the Red Sox won the WS last October 30. Their ineptitude knows no bounds.

You mean like Cherington and Farrell fall in love with the likes of Drew and Bradley? Yea, I get it Ted.

Somewhere between Portland and Boston it seems many of our prospects fall back or simply stagnate. We haven't really put a solid position rookie player successfully in the lineup since 2007 with Ellsbury who is now gone because we didn't want to pay him either. But that is for another argument. The fact is we guessed totally wrong on Bradley. The kid simply cannot hit. Oh, he will get us excited with a good few games but it's back in the hole for another couple of weeks. We may have guessed wrong on Bogaerts as well. He simply stinks with runners on base and he isn't a very good fielder as of yet either. WMB has regressed somewhat mainly because he can't stay healthy. On the farm we have Swihart, Cecchini, Betts for position spots but after seeing Bog and Brad puke up, who knows? Something is very wrong somewhere in the organization and thank God the gods of fate were with us last season when we stole a title.

There will be more than one bridge year Palodios if you want my honest opinion. Without an ace pitcher we are doomed until we get not only one but two game changers on the hill and I don't think Webster, Rubby, Barnes or Clay the Faberge Egg fit that description. Perhaps Owens and Renaudo could be those two. As far as the position players are concerned there is some duplication at key positions and the Red Sox must guess right and not pick the wrong guy in these spots.......catcher, shortstop, third base and center field. If they pick wrong and keep the weaker of the two we will be eating dirt for the next half-dozen years. What only our Yankee fans seems to understand is that if you sign someone for six or seven years and you get four solid ones from that particular player you have hit paydirt, especially if you get a WS Title out of it. Jacko mentioned the Yankees hurting over the CC signing NOW but overall they got their money's worth for four seasons and a WS Title to boot in 2009. If we could get another title from Lester it would be worth it IMHO. One more point. The Red Sox are acting like a cheap mid-level team all of a sudden when they are among the richest teams in baseball, a totally loyal fan base that attend games and pays the highest prices in the land, a marketing extravaganza that puts millions into the coffers every year, a RSD travel program that sells out every season. There is no reason for the team to act like a bunch of tightwads. Yes, they made a mistake with that contract to Crawford in early 2011 but each case is different. Jon Lester has been a stalwart and dependable starter since we brought him up, save one bad season, and there is no reason he could not pitch effectively for another four or five seasons. If got a couple of pennants and a WS Title in that time the other two years of ineffectiveness (maybe, maybe not) would be worth it. I just think this is a very bad move.