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What are trades, Gom? I mean, strip it down to what's happening, what are they?

Oh, a lot, please tell us what we can expect.

Do you know what this means? Not the acronym, but the predictive value of it?

Gom, you don't come close to any discipline of logic I've read about. Your example is a misrepresentation of the facts presented by JHB. You want the caveat that 3 years isn't enough to judge a trade of prospects for veterans, and normally I'd agree, if.....and this is kind of important.... if the prospects look like they will eventually make the major leagues. That bus has passed for most of the guys in the previous trades. This is the kind of vital information that totally escapes your cursory and lazy examination of what's going on. And it's why your responses are nothing more than gibberish after the first step in the wrong direction. Seriously, dude. I'm beyond the point of even wanting to jab back an forth. Please start making sense.

You are new here, so you don't get that this is an inside joke. However, given the amount of drool you've put on display here, you probably still wouldn't had you been around awhile. You said you are reluctant to give Theo credit for the Foulke signing? The reason, he wasn't particularly good in '05. Do you have any clue what he did for this team down the stretch in '04?

For those of you new here and not familiar with the internet Kreskin known as Jacko, I'll provide a free translation: Hansen will be out of baseball by the end '09. Dorf on Baseball is selling shoes in Birmingham next July. Brandon Moss will play RF for the Pirates, and will continue his late development and blossom into a perrenial all-star in Pittsburg, only to be traded to the Yankees in a deadline deal for minor leaguer Shelley Duncan, who will be 34 and hitting .214/.325/.440 with 29 HRs and 4 IF singles. Manny Ramirez will continue to be a fruit loop both on and off the field. He'll help the Dodgers get past the Diamondback in that awful division, but the Dodgers lose their LDS in 4. Boras' silver tongue promises of $100M contracts never appear, and the attitude Manny demonstrated this month limits the years on the offers. He signs somewhere for 2-3 years at about $11-13M per season, and goes on the record saying he got tricked by Boras. Jason Bay will come to Boston and pretty much be the player he has been as a professional to date. Have fun, kids.

Gom, you asked why I defended some of the points he made in his post. I did so by giving an example of the level of discourse. Face it, you are intellectually too lazy to hang with someone like JHB who forms his opinions on the results of his research. He looks s*** up, compares it to other s*** he looks up, and then forms an opinion on the results. The opinion he presents and his description of how he got to it is reasonable and grounded in logic. You jump to conclusion without research, spout an uninformed opinion, demonstrate no discernable applicaton of logic (of any kind), insult the intelligence of the person you are in discussion with, and declare yourself the winner. It's really kind of funny in a pathetic way.

Drop the [stupid s*** you put in brackets, it's always an insult that you feign as an aside - basically if it shows up on the screen, you said it, you are fooling nobody]. Oh, so Hank's was bluster? Why wasn't Colletti's statement? Same situation, the best player exercises and option pissing off people in the FO. In both cases, the stated course of action is discarded after cooler heads prevail. The only way to see the two as different is to apply a double standard. I'm not defending JHB's point because he's a Sox fan, although it appears that is the only way you are able to see this. I see merit to his point because of the evidence and analysis he uses to support it, something you have yet to do. You are completely full of your own self importance if you think you've successfully discredited one of his claims, or that he agrees with a thing you've said on either issue. Here let me give you an example. JHB will say this deal is a win for so-and-so because the dollar-per-win value gained is x. You will respond with, LOL x sucks. About the only thing you deserve credit for is the fact that while the content of your posts is similar to those that post like this.... LOLz x suks, y def mo better you at least have the courtesy to type the words right.

Good trade for Tampa. I will say this, Nieman and Brignac are stale as prospects. Their hype probably peaked about a year ago, just like Tabata and Dorf on Baseball. This lends credence to the, "The Pirates Management is Retarded", line of thinking. It's like they picked up the '07 Baseball America Prospect Handbook for $5 onsale at Amazon.com last week and started making trades from there.

This Dodger management group has clearly shown preference for veteran players over their own system's products. Kemp put up a high .800 OPS last year in half a season, and they still went out and signed Jones to that horrible contract. Speaking of which, they are reportedly not looking to take on extra salary and are interested in shedding some off their own books. To this I say, offer to take Jones off their hands as a condition to trading Kemp, use him as a backup OF for the remainder of this season, and tell him he's got the offseason to right himself or he'll get cut. The $18M he's owed will be sunk cost if he shows up still eff'ed up, but I think that's well worth the cost of acquiring control of Kemp for the next 4 years. I think Kemp is a stud on the rise.

I'll entertain this nonsensical tangent for one more post, respond if you wish. Regardless of what happened when the Yankees were posturing like they were "out of the market for ARod", that all went away the moment they entered the game. There's nothing to gain by faking like you are out of it because once they get back into it, the other teams will act accordingly. Your concept of motivation for doing this is pure fantasy. I'm sure you could find something equally fantastic as motivation for Colletti, but I see you are holding the line that none exist. Seems like you are devoid of whimsical notions when it doesn't involve the NYY.

Ah, the old selective imagination, is it? I'm sure if you thought about it a second, you could come up with something. It's not like you'd have to rack your brain to come up with something as preposterous as the idea that Hank did that to drive the price on ARod down when he ended up paying more.

Now you are speculating as to motive, and doing it poorly, while attempting to shut the door on speculation as to Colletti's motives. You realize that, right?

Is this a serious question? Colletti's quote begat the Chass article, not the other way around. Chass doesn't write that article without Colletti's quote because he's perpetrating libel if he does. Colletti said what he said because that is what he felt at the time, just like Hank.

The only relevant bit in the Chass article is Colletti's quote. I've already addressed that. Here's a better suggestion. Combine the similarity of Colletti's quote to that of Hank's about ARod, and then read the Chass archives. Then tell me something. What's more likely, Colletti said something in the heat of the moment that amounted to nothing, just like Hank's bluster about ARod never playing for the Yankees, or Chass has an agenda?

No, it's no stretch at all. He was pissed and he made a strong statement. Hank was pissed and he made a strong statement. Given time to think about it, Hank came to his senses and changed his mind. Since no tampering charges were filed, Colletti apparently changed his mind after given time to think about it and "look into it".

Context matters. Look at what had just happened. Drew hasn't made his mind up yet, so he says he's happy in LA. Happy, not committed to staying. Colletti thinks there's a good chance his player is staying. Drew opts out, Colletti is miffed. It's kind of funny what people will do and say when they are miffed. I could have sworn the public figure for Yankee ownership said something of substance about ARod playing on the Yankees right after ARod opted out when he was miffed. How did that play out?

E1, he doesn't want the options picked up. At least, not now, not since he hired Boras. He met with Boras in LA right before the post ASG Angel's series. The drama has increased in intensity since then. I don't see that as coincidental. One of the caveats to him waiving his 10/5 rights, is the new club guarantees they don't pick up the option. Boras wants him on the market. IMO, he was in Manny's ear telling him to stoke the fire while promising him riches similar to his last big contract. He's really doing his client a disservice.

I can't believe how far you continue to epically miss the point people are making. It's bizarre. He hasn't said you won't find other references to tampering on the internet. In today's age, that would be impossible. His point, and if you follow the hyperlink trail you'll see he's right, is that all the blogs, forum posts, etc, all of it, tracks back to the Chass article. The source of all the crap you find on the internet is singular. The Chass article fizzled out quickly (and I might add, Chass has been let go by the NYT). Lots of smoke, little chance of fire.

Unless you know him, you've got your priorities all wrong. You are supposed to cheer for the letters on the front of the jersey.

Pretty weak effort by Lowrie. You know what that means? Cora Time!

You are torn whether or not to root against a guy on the Yankees?