Farrell

[BSN07]

Speaking of Red Sox-Guardians, with Cleveland manager Eric Wedge now former Cleveland manager Eric Wedge, speculation is focused on Boston's pitching coach John Farrell as a possible replacement. Farrell has a clause in his contract that doesn't allow him to become a manager until 2011, but as a league official told the Boston Globe, “All it does is create a compensation opportunity for the Red Sox."

 

Anyone have any idea what the compensation would be? If it's a 1st rounder or a supplemental pick let him go

[Dojji]

Farrel made Beckett what he is. I'd be wary of shipping him out.

 

Our pitching has been a strength of the franchise every year he's been here.

[BSN07]

Farrel made Beckett what he is. I'd be wary of shipping him out.

 

Our pitching has been a strength of the franchise every year he's been here.

 

He's going to leave after 2010. Might as well get something for him. Besides we all were like "Farrell should wait for a better job" when his name was being mentioned with the Pirates.

 

Cleveland is about as good as a situation as he could hope for.

[Dojji]

Actually I don't like the looks of Cleveland. They're missing some key pieces and their GM seems to have a hard time getting it.

[yeszir]

Bring back Kerrigan?

[TheKilo]

Farrell made Beckett what he is? what a crock. Did Magadan make Pedroia what he is?

[Dipre]

Pitching coaches are overrated.

[Dojji]

tell that to the Cardinals.

[Dipre]

tell that to the Cardinals.

 

That's the problem.

 

You're giving all the credit to Duncan when there's a whole system set in place that goes way beyond him.

 

Your "example" is an exercise in futility.

 

What happened to Leo Mazzone in Baltimore? Wasn't he gonna make Daniel Cabrera a Cy candidate?

[Dojji]

That's the problem.

 

You're giving all the credit to Duncan when there's a whole system set in place that goes way beyond him.

 

Your "example" is an exercise in futility.

 

What happened to Leo Mazzone in Baltimore? Wasn't he gonna make Daniel Cabrera a Cy candidate?

 

Because we all know how coachable Daniel Cabrera turned out to be.

[Dipre]

Because we all know how coachable Daniel Cabrera turned out to be.

 

But we do know how Atlanta kept pumping out jump pitching without the mighty Mazzone.

[TheKilo]

Because we all know how coachable Daniel Cabrera turned out to be.

 

So we give all the credit to the pitching coach when things go well and none when things go bad?

 

A pitching coach, like a manager, is as successful as the personnel he is given. Unlike a manager, he has none of the ancilliary tasks that would make his job difficult. I agree with Dipre 100% here.

[Dojji]

I agree with you for the most part, except that the pitching coach does have one duty that is just plain easy to overlook. He's the primary injury spotter for our pitchers, and plays a large role in keeping them healthy.

 

I'm not convinced it's entirely coincidental that the 2006 was both a year of crippling and unprecedented levels of pitcher injuries, and simultaneously a year where we had Al Npper for an acting pitching coach for much of the year.

[Dipre]

I agree with you for the most part, except that the pitching coach does have one duty that is just plain easy to overlook. He's the primary injury spotter for our pitchers, and plays a large role in keeping them healthy.

 

I'm not convinced it's entirely coincidental that the 2006 was both a year of crippling and unprecedented levels of pitcher injuries, and simultaneously a year where we had Al Npper for an acting pitching coach for much of the year.

 

This is not what you said in the first place.

 

You said "Farrell made Beckett what he is" which is just plain ludicrous.

[Dojji]

This is not what you said in the first place.

 

You said "Farrell made Beckett what he is" which is just plain ludicrous.

 

Well, look at the difference between Beckett before Farrell got here and after. And then tell me it's all that ludicrous.

 

There's not that much difference between a great pitching coach and an average one. There's a huge difference between an average one and a bad one.

[Dipre]

Well, look at the difference between Beckett before Farrell got here and after. And then tell me it's all that ludicrous.

 

There's not that much difference between a great pitching coach and an average one. There's a huge difference between an average one and a bad one.

 

This statement is laughable.

 

Beckett got here in '06 and was adjusting to a newer league and was trying to beat everybody by blowing fastballs by them.

 

I'm pretty sure the change in approach wasn't a direct consequence of Farrell's involvement, but more of a directive from the FO.

 

Really, stop grasping at straws.

[TheKilo]

We're talking about the same Josh Beckett that was the 2003World Series MVP right?

 

And if you're telling me the biggest job a pitching coach has is to spot injury, yu're really proving my point - the sucesses anf dailures of the pitchers is directly tied to the pitcher, not his coach.